Worse owner - Browns or Cowboys?

[BrAinPaiNt]

Ugh...
People really need to learn the difference between an owner and a GM.

We have one of the best if not the best owner in the NFL, there's a reason why the Cowboys franchise is worth as much as it is.

We have a mediocre GM. Jerry is a great business owner, but he needs a real GM to take care of football operations.

Please learn the difference..

The Owner also HIRES and FIRES the GM.

Nobody would Hire Jerry to be GM and if Jerry was the GM for a team with his teams win/loss record over the years there is only one team that would keep him as GM and that is the team where he is the owner and in charge of hiring or firing a GM.

People know the difference.

 

[theSHOW]

Yes they are willing to change, but at the same time you can't put a revolving door on the coaches office. Chudinski, or whatever his name is, never had a real chance. To fire him after one year was ridiculous.

The browns front office observed chud for 1 year, didn't like his hc style and came to the conclusion that this young hc wasn't quite ready to lead and replaced him. I fully expect the brownies to do better next season. As for our owner jerry is pretty amazing, has made some very nice moves and apparently some disasters. I am not impressed with his keeping his hc in training vs the browns looking for the right guy who is prepared for the position today

 

[Direwolf63]

Ugh...
People really need to learn the difference between an owner and a GM.

We have one of the best if not the best owner in the NFL, there's a reason why the Cowboys franchise is worth as much as it is.

We have a mediocre GM. Jerry is a great business owner, but he needs a real GM to take care of football operations.

Please learn the difference..

You are only partially correct. Jerry may be a great salesman and marketer, but he is a terrible owner of a football team. And that is because he won't put the structure in place to succeed on the field, ie a GM.

I don't care if the Cowboys are the most valuable franchise or not. I don't care if the Cowboys are worth 1 dollar or $10 billion dollars. I want a winning football team on the field. A team that competes every year for a championship, just like we used to.

Jerry can't do that. He doesn't know how. All he knows is how to generate income for himself. And I couldn't care less about that.

So if Jerry wants my kudos, hire a real GM, stay away from the football of things, do your marketing and watch the games from your private box on Sundays.

 

[coogrfan]

Ugh...
People really need to learn the difference between an owner and a GM.

We have one of the best if not the best owner in the NFL, there's a reason why the Cowboys franchise is worth as much as it is.

We have a mediocre GM. Jerry is a great business owner, but he needs a real GM to take care of football operations.

Please learn the difference..

People really need to learn the difference between a successful businessman and a good owner.

The fact that the Cowboys are one of the most valuable properties in sports suggests that JJ might be the former; the fact that the team's organizational model remains unchanged despite having only one playoff win since 1996 proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is not the latter.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

The browns front office observed chud for 1 year, didn't like his hc style and came to the conclusion that this young hc wasn't quite ready to lead and replaced him. I fully expect the brownies to do better next season. As for our owner jerry is pretty amazing, has made some very nice moves and apparently some disasters. I am not impressed with his keeping his hc in training vs the browns looking for the right guy who is prepared for the position today

This is the reason Chud was let go and now the reason Lombardi and Banner are being let go (all one year after being hired)...



WG has a good thread about the topic, with more info in the NFL section....

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/brow...-joe-banner-leaving-after-only-1-year.282968/

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Ugh...
People really need to learn the difference between an owner and a GM.

We have one of the best if not the best owner in the NFL, there's a reason why the Cowboys franchise is worth as much as it is.

We have a mediocre GM. Jerry is a great business owner, but he needs a real GM to take care of football operations.

Please learn the difference..

He is not a good owner. If he was, he would fire the GM. I used to separate the two as well. Not anymore.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

The Owner also HIRES and FIRES the GM.

Nobody would Hire Jerry to be GM and if Jerry was the GM for a team with his teams win/loss record over the years there is only one team that would keep him as GM and that is the team where he is the owner and in charge of hiring or firing a GM.

People know the difference.

First off, it was a comment to the OP.

Secondly, hiring a GM is only a part of an owner's responsibilities. As mediocre as our seasons have been, the Cowboys are still the most valuable team in the NFL. The owner is a businessman, plain and simple. His responsibilities relate back to sales of tickets and merchandise, corporate contracts, partnerships, sponsorship, etc...

Yes, you are correct. He should hire a GM. I think that I made that obvious, didn't I? And I quote, "Jerry is a great business owner, but he needs a real GM to take care of football operations." Hiring a GM is on Jerry as an owner, that much is clear.

However. attributing coaching decisions or the hiring of a coach is based on his GM capacity, not his "owner" capacity. Win-Loss records are indicative of his GM capacity, not his owner capacity. His free agency signings, draft picks, franchise tags, and trades, are all part of his GM responsibilities.

So yes, in terms of hiring and firing the GM, Jerry Jones the owner is responsible.
However, gripes of Jerry being a terrible owner should have nothing to do with his GM responsibilities.

Does he make himself the subject of those complaints? Yes, he chooses to be a GM.
That doesn't mean he's not a great owner, it means he's not a great GM.

 

[Longboysfan]

Ugh...
People really need to learn the difference between an owner and a GM.

We have one of the best if not the best owner in the NFL, there's a reason why the Cowboys franchise is worth as much as it is.

We have a mediocre GM. Jerry is a great business owner, but he needs a real GM to take care of football operations.

Please learn the difference..

Thank you. Well said.
We have the best owner but a below average GM.

 

[NJ22]

Ugh...
People really need to learn the difference between an owner and a GM.

We have one of the best if not the best owner in the NFL, there's a reason why the Cowboys franchise is worth as much as it is.

We have a mediocre GM. Jerry is a great business owner, but he needs a real GM to take care of football operations.

Please learn the difference..

Please learn that he is "the owner" who employs the worst "GM" in all of sports. Making him an idiot owner. Fans could not care less about his bottom line.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

Please learn that he is "the owner" who employs the worst "GM" in all of sports. Making him an idiot owner. Fans could not care less about his bottom line.

The bottom line is what determines him being a "good" or "bad" owner..

He's not an idiot, he is a multimillionaire in his own right. You try running a multimillion dollar business.

You're right, fans don't care about his bottom line, that is why this thread exists..

Again, he's not a good GM. He needs to hire a real GM (I stated that in the post you just quoted). You can blame the owner for not hiring the GM. However, overall, he's a very successful owner. Hiring a GM is only one of his MANY responsibilities.

 

[Dhragon]

First off, it was a comment to the OP.

Secondly, hiring a GM is only a part of an owner's responsibilities. As mediocre as our seasons have been, the Cowboys are still the most valuable team in the NFL. The owner is a businessman, plain and simple. His responsibilities relate back to sales of tickets and merchandise, corporate contracts, partnerships, sponsorship, etc...

Yes, you are correct. He should hire a GM. I think that I made that obvious, didn't I? And I quote, "Jerry is a great business owner, but he needs a real GM to take care of football operations." Hiring a GM is on Jerry as an owner, that much is clear.

However. attributing coaching decisions or the hiring of a coach is based on his GM capacity, not his "owner" capacity. Win-Loss records are indicative of his GM capacity, not his owner capacity. His free agency signings, draft picks, franchise tags, and trades, are all part of his GM responsibilities.

So yes, in terms of hiring and firing the GM, Jerry Jones the owner is responsible.
However, gripes of Jerry being a terrible owner should have nothing to do with his GM responsibilities.

Does he make himself the subject of those complaints? Yes, he chooses to be a GM.
That doesn't mean he's not a great owner, it means he's not a great GM.

Hiring a GM might only be part of an owner's responsibilities, but for the fans at least, it is an owner's most important role. And with that, Jerry has failed miserably as an owner. Heck, passing the football is only part of a QB's job, but if he is bad at that, he is NOT a good QB. Same with Jerry.

I guess from Jerry's point of view he is a good owner as he rakes in the cash with a mediocre product. But from most everyone else's point of view, he would not be because he doesn't even try to fix the biggest problem with the Cowboys - its dysfunctional GM.

 

[Alexander]

At least when Haslem looks at the man in the mirror, he does not answer "doing a great job".

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

At least when Haslem looks at the man in the mirror, he does not answer "doing a great job".

No he is too worried about going to jail so he fires his coach and GMS after one year and senior level people in his other business but he does not say good job while looking in the mirror...(bill murray voice) so he has that going for him...which is nice.

 

[WoodysGirl]

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Worse owner or GM? Jerry is and always has been one of the best owners in all of sports.

Cowboys

The Owner won't hire a GM.

Dallas is discfunction junction, nobody can play or coach without being undermined by Jerral Wayne.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

The fact that this is an actual debate speaks volumes.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Isn't it strange that the Browns owner is an admitted life-long Steelers fan who happened to but a team in their own division...

...just sayin'.

 

[Vanilla2]

Just another day in Cowboyszone.

I think the realists are the folks who've become delusional judging by the posts I'm reading these days.

 

[DFWJC]

Jerry is a very good owner.

GM? That's another story. And that is his flaw as an owner as well.