Worse owner - Browns or Cowboys?

[CATCH17]

Again, false. Quit overreacting and calling us the Browns. They don't even compete at any level each and every season. They finish last every single year.

I know this era sucks but it's not even close to being what Cleveland has thrown out there.

Whatever man. Consistent mediocrity with season ending collapses is just as bad if not worse than what the Browns are doing.

Especially when we're being tortured with a coach that just won't go away when it's clear as day he is getting us nowhere and our 2014 season has no hope.

Being a Cowboy fan is absolutely AWFUL right now and we're the biggest joke in pretty much all of sports.

"Oh but we're still better than the Browns." Congratufrickinlations

 

[Blackspider214]

Switch Weeden with Romo and it wouldnt surprise me if they get a better record than us.
Cleveland is a talented and young team, just have failed to get their player in the most important position.

Thomas + Mack are good base for OLine
Gordon + Cameron are a good WR+TE duo
Their D Line is great
They have TJ Ward and Haden in their secondary.

ILB, QB and RB are their flaws. But RB can easily be fixed.

You know how long I have heard this about the Browns? Quite a few years and yet they continue to finish last and have 4 and 5 win seasons. No one wants to play there. The city is a dump and all that young "talent" will go elsewhere when the time comes.

So because we switch QBs says what? That their QB sucks? That's pretty obvious. The fact is, that is their QB.

 

[KingintheNorth]

"Oh but we're still better than the Browns." Congratufrickinlations

The measurement stick of champions everywhere.

 

[Blackspider214]

Whatever man. Consistent mediocrity with season ending collapses is just as bad if not worse than what the Browns are doing.

Especially when we're being tortured with a coach that just won't go away when it's clear as day he is getting us nowhere and our 2014 season has no hope.

Being a Cowboy fan is absolutely AWFUL right now and we're the biggest joke in pretty much all of sports.

"Oh but we're still better than the Browns." Congratufrickinlations

Did I say being better than the Browns is an accomplishment? No. Those are your words. And you are the one who brought up the Browns. Not me. So don't throw that crap back like I am the one saying it is an accomplishment.

Sorry, you can go back to go through those 5-11 seasons 3 straight years. Because that is what Cleveland has been pretty much the last 20 years.

Don't twist my words to say we have accomplished anything just because I say we are better than Cleveland.

But to say we are on the same level or worse than Cleveland is laughable.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Lol. Direct evidence in refutation to the ridiculous comments by people on this thread.

I'll bet you $1 that people will rationalize it away to fit personal agendas. $1!

Cowboys are the Browns only the Pokes are a shinier turd and get looked at more, while it still stinks the same.

 

[Direwolf63]

Again, false. Quit overreacting and calling us the Browns. They don't even compete at any level each and every season. They finish last every single year.

I know this era sucks but it's not even close to being what Cleveland has thrown out there.

I find it sad that we have to debate comparisons between the Cowboys and Browns.

I wish we were debating which franchise is better, the Cowboys or the Patriots. Sadly, there is no debate.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

FANS DO NOT CARE ABOUT HIS MONEY!!!!!!!

Using caps does not prove your point.
If you actually read what I wrote, you'd see that I stated "fans don't care about the bottom line."

The difference is, you not caring about the financial aspects of his position does not change the standard by which his performance as "owner" is judged. Yes, he should hire a GM. How many times have I quoted myself now stating that he needs to hire a GM to take over football operations?

Is he a bad GM?
-Yes, he is. He needs to hire a GM.

Is he a bad "owner"?
-No, he's a great owner. Although, he should hire a GM, he exceeds the majority of his goals and responsibilities as "owner".

Is he screwing up on one big aspect of his job? Yes, I'd agree with that statement.
However, he's doing just fine on the rest of his responsibilities as an owner.

 

[casmith07]

lol this thread...

WG you still wanna take that bet!?

 

[EST_1986]

I don't think people understand the difference between Jerry the Owner and Jerry the GM.

Jerry the Owner is one of the greatest ever.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Congratulations. This is one of the worst opening posts I have ever seen here.

I laughed at it. I guess I have a sick sense of humor.

I would be hard-pressed to say which organization is worse right now. At least the Browns have a GM. Even if he's a lousy one, there's always the chance he'll be fired in favor of a better one. Unlike the Browns GM, Jerry does have those 3 Super Bowl trophies. But that was a long time ago.

 

[dfense]

Cowboys.

At least the Browns are willing to change. They might not have found the right people yet but there is hope that they will. That's much better than being stuck with the wrong people.

Ive never heard Jerry be accused of not making changes. I suppose when every armchair fan general manager wants a kneejerk reaction.

Grass is not always greener. Ralph Wilson of the Bills up here, pockets every last dollar from parking to concessions. Then he wants the city to pay for everything else. And they either let every good player walk or just plane suck forever.

They let Jason Peters walk.
They let Marshawn Lynch walk.
They let SanFrans safety walk (his name escapes me and I'm to lazy to look it up)

His family lives out of town and have made it known they are waiting for him to pass so they can sell sell sell.

How would you like to wake up to that reality every day?

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I don't think people understand the difference between Jerry the Owner and Jerry the GM.

Jerry the Owner is one of the greatest ever.

It appears the argument for that would be again if Jerry were this great owner he would know to go hire a GM. He sucks at it. He's a great marketing guy. That's it.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

I laughed at it. I guess I have a sick sense of humor...

No, it appears you just hate Jerry Jones. How about giving Jerry Jones a fair shake? Did you miss the thread of the reccords of the teams since 32-team expansion? The Cowboys are 13th under Jerry Jones. Not bad for a 'lousy' GM. Not great, but far from 'lousy.'

 

[Reverend Conehead]

No, it appears you just hate Jerry Jones. How about giving Jerry Jones a fair shake? Did you miss the thread of the reccords of the teams since 32-team expansion? The Cowboys are 13th under Jerry Jones. Not bad for a 'lousy' GM. Not great, but far from 'lousy.'

You like to read a lot in, don't you? I just laughed at a joke. It doesn't mean I hate the guy.

 

[CATCH17]

Did I say being better than the Browns is an accomplishment? No. Those are your words. And you are the one who brought up the Browns. Not me. So don't throw that crap back like I am the one saying it is an accomplishment.

Sorry, you can go back to go through those 5-11 seasons 3 straight years. Because that is what Cleveland has been pretty much the last 20 years.

Don't twist my words to say we have accomplished anything just because I say we are better than Cleveland.

But to say we are on the same level or worse than Cleveland is laughable.

I also said that the only difference between the Cowboys and Browns is we are more popular and have a QB.

If we had their QB situation and they had ours im pretty confident the Browns would be better than us.

Romo is our only significant positive thing and he is just good enough to keep us mediocre. Everything else is nothing any different than what the Cleveland Browns have except it looks like they know when to get rid of people.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Many of us, myself included, have been screaming for Jerry to hire a GM. It's worth pointing out that even if he did hire one that would not guarantee that he hired a good one. He might hire one who stinks up the place.

 

[coogrfan]

No, it appears you just hate Jerry Jones. How about giving Jerry Jones a fair shake? Did you miss the thread of the reccords of the teams since 32-team expansion? The Cowboys are 13th under Jerry Jones. Not bad for a 'lousy' GM. Not great, but far from 'lousy.'

At the risk of repeating myself, here is a cleaned up version of the response I posted in the thread in question:

Bob Sturm formula NFL rankings for 2002-13
Playoffs = 1 CCG loss = 3 SB loss = 5 SB win =11

1 New England Patriots 44 pts 3.67 avg 11 11 1 3 5 1 1 5 3 3
2 Pittsburgh Steelers 33 pts 2.75 avg 1 3 11 1 11 5 1
3 Indianapolis Colts 27 pts 2.25 avg 1 3 1 1 11 1 1 5 1 1 1
4 New York Giants 26 pts 2.17 avg 1 1 1 11 1 11
5 Seattle Seahawks 22 pts 1.83 avg 1 1 5 1 1 1 1 11
6 Green Bay Packers 21 pts 1.75 avg 1 1 1 3 1 11 1 1 1
7 Baltimore Ravens 21 pts 1.75 avg 1 1 3 1 1 3 11
8 Philadelphia Eagles 18 pts 1.5 avg 3 3 5 1 3 1 1 1
9 New Orleans Saints 16 pts 1.33 avg 3 11 1 1
10 San Francisco 49ers 15 pts 1.25 avg 1 3 3 5 3
11 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 13 pts 1.08 avg 11 1 1
12 Denver Broncos 12 pts 1.0 avg 1 1 3 1 1 5
13 Carolina Panthers 10 pts .83 avg 5 3 1 1
14 Atlanta Falcons 10 pts .83 avg 1 3 1 1 1 3
15 Chicago Bears 9 pts .75 avg 1 5 3
16 New York Jets 9 pts .75 avg 1 1 1 3 3
17 San Diego Chargers 8 pts .67 avg 1 1 3 1 1 1
18 Arizona Cardinals 6 pts .5 avg 5 1
19 Minnesota Vikings 6 pts .5 avg 1 1 3 1
20 Tennessee Titans 6 pts .5 avg 3 1 1 1
21 Oakland Raiders 5 pts .42 avg 5
22 Cincinnati Bengals 5 pts .42 avg 1 1 1 1 1
23 Dallas Cowboys 4 pts .33 avg 1 1 1 1
24 Kansas City Chiefs 4 pts .33 avg 1 1 1 1
25 Washington Commanders 3 pts .25 avg 1 1 1
26 Houston Texans 2 pts .17 avg 1 1
27 Jacksonville Jaguars 2 pts .17 avg 1 1
28 St Louis Rams 2 pts .17 avg 1 1
29 Cleveland Browns 1 pt .08 avg 1
30 Detroit Lions 1 pt .08 avg 1
31 Miami Dolphins 1 pt .08 avg 1
32 Buffalo Bills 0 pts

In terms of meaningful accomplishments we've become one of the worst franchises in the league.

 

[LatinMind]

One guy changes everything - 3different head coaches and 3 different GMs in the last 400 days

And the other guy wouldnt even change his underwear if he pooped in it

Cowboys, obviously. cowboys have the worse Owner, GM, HC, DC, OC LBer coaches, secondary coaches, OL coaches, QB coaches, TE coaches, RB coaches, Trainers, Strength and Conditioning ciaches, Kick coaches, Starting QB, Backup QB, Running backs, worst 1.2.3.4.5 WRs in football, god the are awful, a TE who cant get yac, a young Te drafting in the second round wack, and a worthless 3rd TE. Worst Lt in football, a Lg with a knee thats worthless, a center who was drafted to high because mayock said so. A RG who shouldve been cut before last yr even started and a RT who is worst then the worst punter in football. They have 2 young backup Ts who are worst with worthless and no depth and a backup C who has arms shorter then a newborn. They have a RDE who eventhough has over 120 sacks in his career is worthless and the DT are the worst in football, with a SDE who should be nowhere else but sitting on his couch, have 3 SLB who dont even make up 1 backup LBer combined, a MLB who is stealing Dallas money because he got injured again because he;s made of glass, or or plastic or some sort of object. A WLB who is is the worst player in not only the nfl but all the way down to pop warner football. 3 CBs who are sorry, one who is 6ft of cheerleader a 6th overall pick who isnt allowed to mature into a nfl player and a slot CB who shouldnt have been signed to an extension 2 yrs ago let alone be on the field. A SS who last yr we all knew wouldnt amount to nothing and eventhough he had over 130 tackles he is still nothing, 2 rookie S' who shouldnt be allowed to breathe. A punter and a kicker who are cluth but who cares they are on this team built by somebody who is trying to tear the organization down, so they are garbage. A special teams unit who is the worst put together group of people in the history of groups of people. A team staff that include ballboys, waterboys, team managers who are just there to do i dont know what but they make money from the cowboys so they are scum too. Then the cheerleaders they are horrible ugly trash. And the strippers at the top of the stadium who dance, eventhough they are usually more clothed then the cheerleaders they are strippers because they are dancing to entertain fans. Strippers!!. Then this ugly stadium who Jerrys ruined the Cowboys with and paid over 600mil of his own money to build. Its horrible, the ugly screen actually takes away from people having to strain their eyes trying to see whats happening on the field. they should have better jobs to afford the better seats. That'll teach them. Not to mention Jerrys kids, they arent even his kids. They pretend to get his money that is bleeding the Cowboys dry and right into the depth of hell.

Yup thats the Cowboys, the worst of all the worst, starting with the devil himself Jerry Jones.

 

[CATCH17]

[quote="LatinMind, post: 5445236, member: 2868"

Yup thats the Cowboys, the worst of all the worst, starting with the devil himself Jerry Jones.[/quote]


Off-topic but how can you be a Rousey fan? She has got to be the ultimate d bagel.

 

[LatinMind]

[quote="LatinMind, post: 5445236, member: 2868"

Yup thats the Cowboys, the worst of all the worst, starting with the devil himself Jerry Jones.

Off-topic but how can you be a Rousey fan? She has got to be the ultimate d bagel.[/quote]

how is she the worst? Because she didnt shake Tates hand after Tate talked about rondas family Bf and who team in every interview she gave before the fight? Or her BF saying he wanted to snap Rouseys neck on twitter? Im a fan of Tate too. Rousey is just awsome. Cant wait for her and Cyborg to fight.