Would you be disappointed if we drafted Felix Jones at 22?

[Eskimo]

fwiw TSN has him ranked 3rd, almost all the others I've seen have him 4th...but right after Stewart underwent the surgery, I heard several of these draft guys say Jones might go before him now based on what teams end up thinking about his injury situation...obviously we arnt privvy to the medical info the 32 teams are getting on Stewart

David

One of the things I wonder about Jones is that he isn't overly big or physical and his speed at the combine was pretty pedestrian. Aren't there more concerns about how his skills will translate to a pro-set offense where defenses will key against him? He isn't going to be able to turn the corner so easily in the pros at 4.47. This is barely faster than MB3.

 

[TheCount]

I am not a Felix Jones fan, and at 22, I might throw my remote through my tv.

That being said, if he was taken with the 28th, or (more preferably, if it had to be done) a move in the 2nd round, I wouldn't be too upset.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Big difference from the 9th overall pick to the 22nd overall pick, would you agree?

and Jones has been more produtive as a RB than Ginn had been as a WR anyway, against better competition

David

How you doing David.

I am not saying Felix Jones is a scrub or anything, I just dont think he is one of the top 22 players in this draft.

I have him graded as a very late 1st, early 2nd. Taking him at 22 would be a huge reach in my opinion.

 

[dbair1967]

One of the things I wonder about Jones is that he isn't overly big or physical and his speed at the combine was pretty pedestrian. Aren't there more concerns about how his skills will translate to a pro-set offense where defenses will key against him? He isn't going to be able to turn the corner so easily in the pros at 4.47. This is barely faster than MB3.

Use your eyes dude...when you play in the SEC and constantly run away from people there, you dont have a speed problem...you cant consistently make the kinds of long TD runs he has since his FR yr if speed is an issue...

David

 

[dbair1967]

How you doing David.

I am not saying Felix Jones is a scrub or anything, I just dont think he is one of the top 22 players in this draft.

I have him graded as a very late 1st, early 2nd. Taking him at 22 would be a huge reach in my opinion.

I dont think we'll pick him at 22, but if the Cowboys get on the clock and he's the highest rated guy there, then they should pick him...I agree with you he's better value at 28-34

I would imagine some of what they do at 22 might be based on what they think will happen with their 28th pick (ie, if they believe they are going to get a deal for a WR)

David

 

[skinsscalper]

how bout Felix Jones at 22...trade 28 for Roy Williams and draft your boy Cason at our pick in the 2nd rd?

and yes, I do think he might be available with our 2nd rd pick...or at least in close proximety

David

With all due respect, dbair, I don't think Cason even sniffs the 60's. King maybe, but I think Cason will be long gone by the middle of round 2.

 

[dbair1967]

With all due respect, dbair, I don't think Cason even sniffs the 60's. King maybe, but I think Cason will be long gone by the middle of round 2.

we shall see I guess...but I dont believe he's going to be a first rd pick

if he falls to the middle of round 2 and Dallas really likes him, they could try to move up to get him

but I do think there's gonna be 6 or 7 CB's taken before Cason, and probably 2 of the safeties

David

 

[ctrous25]

Id take fiv or six backs before Felix Jones and I dont think there will be that many backs taken befor#22 so I voted NO

 

[Cowboys2008]

I don't see him as an every down back. And if we're drafting a "compliment" to Marion Barber, then we should be drafting someone who could also step in and completely spell him if an injury were to happen. I just don't think Felix Jones comes anywhere close to being that kind of player.

Personally, I think we need to remember who the "compliment" back is here- and that's Marion. We've already got a "compliment" back. Now it's time to find someone for him to "compliment".

We will regret anything less then a McFadden or a Mendenall (Sp) if we go RB in round 1. It will be Carpenter all over again but at the RB position. The having of a 2nd round guy in the 1st. I'm sorry, but that less then appeals to me. With 2 number 1's we need to find real value or what's the use of even having these 2 picks in round 1 if we're just going to settle again for the "less-than-stellar".

 

[Eskimo]

Personally, I think we need to remember who the "compliment" back is here- and that's Marion. We've already got a "compliment" back. Now it's time to find someone for him to "compliment".
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I agree to a certain extent - I think MB3 could be a full-time starter but I don't know how long he'll last given his size and running style. I would not like to give him a 5-year deal for $6-7 million/year which is probably what he is seeking. Only true elite backs are worth this because of they affect other team's game planning.

I wouldn't mind getting a back in the low-end of the first to mid-second round that can be the full-time back next year because I don't think we can afford MB3's contract demands with Ware, Canty and TNew's due for new contracts soon.

I see us parting ways with Hamlin and Barber and possibly TNew depending on how the caponomics work next year.

 

[TwoDeep3]

If Antoine Cason is there, absolutely I would be angry.

 

[Chuck 54]

Who? .

Kiper currently has him ranked as the 3rd best RB and the #18 player in the entire draft.

The Sporting News always had him as the #3 RB, almost in a dead heat with Mendenhall...8.3 to 8.2.

I was probably confused when I said ranked #2...sometimes publications have a guy as the 2nd back drafted even though he may be the 3rd or 4th ranked back...I guess because they think a certain back fits a certain team better.

Bottom line is that almost everyone has him going before Stewart in the draft now, and most have him rated fairly high.

My point still stands that before the Combine, I was reading left and right how much some fans wanted Felix Jones at the bottom of round one; then he doesn't put up enough bench presses at the combine, and they all dump on him...I think that's sort of silly and short sighted, but I already gave my reasons. If he was high on the Dallas draft board before the Combine, I'm sure he still is...you don't ignore the way a guy ran in college against very tough competition just because he didn't shine at the combine...imo.

Felix Jones may not have the straight line speed of Chris Johnson or Jamaal Charles, but he certainly looks more elusive and is ranked much higher, so I would have no problem if that's who Dallas's experts decide is worth the pick.

 

[DFWJC]

You're exactly right. I formulate my own opinion and don't rely solely on the opinion of others.

I'll second that. What's the point in asking how we would feel if they were not our opinions? Most of us here disagree on something about this draft, but it would be awfully boring if we didn't.

 

[Chuck 54]

For what it's worth, and I'm sure that's not much....TSN's write up went this way:

NFL comparison: Frank Gore, 49ers

Inside Running: Is surprisingly aggressive and explosive. Hits the hole fast, showing the strength and balance to absorb hits and keep on going. Does not consistantly wrap up the ball.

Outside Running: Is a threat to score when he reaches the open field. Has the explosive burst to bounce outside when the middle is clogged. Explodes through the backside hole.

Blocking: Lacks experience as a lead blocker. Is surprisingly competitive, productive pass blocker who steps up and neutralizes blitzers.

Hands/routes: Has excellent hands, making tough catches look easy. Runs precise routes and shows explosive burst out of cuts.

Durability: Is strong and tough, but runs upright and absorbs tons of hard hits.

Bottom Line: Jones has not received as much attention as teammate Darren McFadden, but is more versatile. With Jones' all-around ability, he will become a top NFL feature back and an elite kickoff return man.

Certainly, none of us has to agree with any of that, and again, I didn't actually see the kid play much, but it explains why some publications like TSN rank him so highly. Again, I'm not calling for his name on draft day, but I do think the guys who soured on him due to 8 bench presses are missing the point.

 

[tomson75]

Ummmm....how in Hades is Jones more versatile than McFadden? Kinda takes any credibility away form that write up, IMO.

 

[dbair1967]

Kiper currently has him ranked as the 3rd best RB and the #18 player in the entire draft.

The Sporting News always had him as the #3 RB, almost in a dead heat with Mendenhall...8.3 to 8.2.

I was probably confused when I said ranked #2...sometimes publications have a guy as the 2nd back drafted even though he may be the 3rd or 4th ranked back...I guess because they think a certain back fits a certain team better.

Bottom line is that almost everyone has him going before Stewart in the draft now, and most have him rated fairly high.

My point still stands that before the Combine, I was reading left and right how much some fans wanted Felix Jones at the bottom of round one; then he doesn't put up enough bench presses at the combine, and they all dump on him...I think that's sort of silly and short sighted, but I already gave my reasons. If he was high on the Dallas draft board before the Combine, I'm sure he still is...you don't ignore the way a guy ran in college against very tough competition just because he didn't shine at the combine...imo.

Felix Jones may not have the straight line speed of Chris Johnson or Jamaal Charles, but he certainly looks more elusive and is ranked much higher, so I would have no problem if that's who Dallas's experts decide is worth the pick.

fwiw there is a draft guide out there with FJ as the #2 back...if you go to the newsstand it has McFadden on the cover and is basically a nameless draft guide (I have no idea who made it) but I did look through it

David

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Kiper currently has him ranked as the 3rd best RB and the #18 player in the entire draft.

The Sporting News always had him as the #3 RB, almost in a dead heat with Mendenhall...8.3 to 8.2.

I was probably confused when I said ranked #2...sometimes publications have a guy as the 2nd back drafted even though he may be the 3rd or 4th ranked back...I guess because they think a certain back fits a certain team better.

Bottom line is that almost everyone has him going before Stewart in the draft now, and most have him rated fairly high.

My point still stands that before the Combine, I was reading left and right how much some fans wanted Felix Jones at the bottom of round one; then he doesn't put up enough bench presses at the combine, and they all dump on him...I think that's sort of silly and short sighted, but I already gave my reasons. If he was high on the Dallas draft board before the Combine, I'm sure he still is...you don't ignore the way a guy ran in college against very tough competition just because he didn't shine at the combine...imo.

Felix Jones may not have the straight line speed of Chris Johnson or Jamaal Charles, but he certainly looks more elusive and is ranked much higher, so I would have no problem if that's who Dallas's experts decide is worth the pick.

Ourlads has him as the 4th best back.

I don't realistically see how anyone could knock drafting Felix Jones in the first round based on his talent-- I really don't.

Now, if you said it wouldn't be a wise move because we already have a pro-bowl back... then I think you have a more realistic argument-- and one I may ultimately agree with.

 

[Thomas82]

If Dallas were to get Jones I think chances are it would be with the 28th pick. As for the 22nd pick as I said for me it would depend on who is on the board. We don't know if there will be an early run on CB's in the draft that could play a role on who Dallas selects. The draft is so unpredictable it is hard to know. I do think Felix Jones is a very good player and he clearly helps fill a need for the team.

If we were to draft Felix Jones, I think it would be a reach to draft him in the first round.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

we shall see I guess...but I dont believe he's going to be a first rd pick

if he falls to the middle of round 2 and Dallas really likes him, they could try to move up to get him

but I do think there's gonna be 6 or 7 CB's taken before Cason, and probably 2 of the safeties

David

I don't think he's going to be a first round pick either. Nor does he deserve to be.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

For what it's worth, and I'm sure that's not much....TSN's write up went this way:

NFL comparison: Frank Gore, 49ers

Inside Running: Is surprisingly aggressive and explosive. Hits the hole fast, showing the strength and balance to absorb hits and keep on going. Does not consistantly wrap up the ball.

Outside Running: Is a threat to score when he reaches the open field. Has the explosive burst to bounce outside when the middle is clogged. Explodes through the backside hole.

Blocking: Lacks experience as a lead blocker. Is surprisingly competitive, productive pass blocker who steps up and neutralizes blitzers.

Hands/routes: Has excellent hands, making tough catches look easy. Runs precise routes and shows explosive burst out of cuts.

Durability: Is strong and tough, but runs upright and absorbs tons of hard hits.

Bottom Line: Jones has not received as much attention as teammate Darren McFadden, but is more versatile. With Jones' all-around ability, he will become a top NFL feature back and an elite kickoff return man.

Certainly, none of us has to agree with any of that, and again, I didn't actually see the kid play much, but it explains why some publications like TSN rank him so highly. Again, I'm not calling for his name on draft day, but I do think the guys who soured on him due to 8 bench presses are missing the point.

To me, that reads like Westbrook. However I think Jones is more gifted athletically and thusly is more highly rated coming out of college than Westbrook was. Doesn't mean that will translate into pro-production, but it's not a bad place to start.