Would you hire Mike Zimmer

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I personally think Zimmer would be an excellent HC for a team that has a strong organizational structure. He is a tremendous DC. And I think *EVERYONE* would agree that he is a better DC than Garrett an OC.

But having followed his time both here and with the Bengals, I dont see him being able to handle the Jones' and the circus that comes with it. He would be excellent as the HC of a team like the Ravens - a team that is old school with a very good GM.

This is what I think. Zim could probably do a nice job in the right situation, but Dallas isn't a great fit for him just because of the circus both in terms of ownership and media attention that comes with that gig. I'm not sure how good a HC Zimmer might actually be. I wouldn't expect him to necessarily be a great one. But his players will play hard and they'll play sound defense. That's at least half the battle.

To Idgit... I know you like Garrett but I didn't really get what is better about him than Zimmer, other than he's smoother with the media and Jerry has a special love for him. But we know Zimmer is pretty close with Jerry, too. Maybe not to family portrait level, but it's a good relationship.

It is. I know we're not going to see eye:eye on JG, but I like Zimmer, too. I really think the HC gig in Dallas is one of the hardest in the league, if not *the* hardest. One of the things I don't like about Jerry is the way he runs his ship puts a ton of pressure on the HC that other organizations don't have to deal with. To the extent I'm *not* sold on Garrett, it has to do with me not loving his offense and thinking he's only a solid coach, at best, on game days. It's the stuff he does the rest of the year that makes him such a good fit for us. And I"m hoping he gets better with experience at the stuff coaches usually actually do get better with as they gain experience.

Zimmer's a guy I like because he's got history with the team, and because he's a good guy. He's not a guy I'd be excited by. I have a hard time getting excited by new HC prospects in any given offseason. I don't like retreads, and I don't think young coordinators or college coaches have the gravitas to get enough rope to even hang themselves in this environment. That leaves the options I like as the guy we've already got, or guys like Holmgren or Fisher who have skins and experience and who might not actually be washed up when they're available. (Andy Reid would have fallen into this category, too, but, you know, Eagles, yuck).

There just aren't that many options for this job that I think, going in, have realistic chances to be successful. I tried to get behind Wade when he was trotted out, but that was a hard one to buy. Parcels....Giants, yuck. He ended up winning me over, because he was both good, and funny. But I never loved it. We've got a guy now who's young, smart, organized, home grown, represents the organization and the team well. Handles the Joneses. Handles the media. He just can't get us over 500. If he can't ever do that, I agree, he has to go.

But I think he's got a good chance to do that. I think we've been handicapped in terms of cap and picks and the age of the roster he inherited in 2010, and, the last two season, a spat of injuries at the same position groups. These are the things that rightly get coaches fired, and they should in JGs case, too, but I'd like to see him get as fair a shake as possible. Because I think the guy we replace him with more likely than not will be deficient in some areas essential for this job, too. It's an awfully tall order to fill, and the guys that can fill it already have jobs or, if they don't, they certainly don't grow on trees. If you think you found one growing on a tree, you make sure you're wrong about him before you let him go. In this case, better a year too late than a year too soon.

I know I'm in the minority in feeling this way around here right now. But it's really not because I can't see the issues. It's because I think doing better is going to be a lot harder than people think.
 

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People point to 1 or 2 teams and act as if it happens overnight and the fact is the vast majority of time it does not happen overnight it take time and that is something this fan base will not allow and that is time to do the job.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, because it can be a tough journey to rebuild.

But it can happen overnight, .. it has happened overnight, and in the case of SF, KC, and Seattle it happened very quickly. This can be attributed to coaching.

I'm thinking even those that love Garrett, or those that have endless patience, are starting to look around and say, .. "what the heck, why can't we move past .500 football?"

You mention allowing the time to rebuild, ... how long do you think is reasonable to begin to notice some improvement?
 

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Only if he brought a backbone with him so he wouldn't be Jerry's puppet. Zim has paid dues and deserves an opportunity somewhere.
 

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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, because it can be a tough journey to rebuild.

But it can happen overnight, .. it has happened overnight, and in the case of SF, KC, and Seattle it happened very quickly. This can be attributed to coaching.

I'm thinking even those that love Garrett, or those that have endless patience, are starting to look around and say, .. "what the heck, why can't we move past .500 football?"

You mention allowing the time to rebuild, ... how long do you think is reasonable to begin to notice some improvement?

For me, it would depend on how talented the team was when you arrived.

For example, when Parcells came here, I didnt expect immediate results as we had little talent. When Phillips started, we were coming off a playoff appearance and looked to have adequate talent.

KC and SF had a LOT of talent.
Jax, Bucs, Browns, Rams, Vikings, Panthers, Commanders, Colts, Phins, Eagles and Seahawks all had SOME talented pieces, but their roster needed major overhaul. A couple of those teams were able to improve by getting stud QBs. Most of them are about were they were when the new HC took over. And then there are the Seahawks - who in my opinion did the best job so far in completely rebuilding a team in 3 years.

So if I am getting a team that is severely devoid of talent (or has no QB), I give the coach longer. If I am taking over a team that is pretty loaded, I give him less time.
 

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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, because it can be a tough journey to rebuild.

But it can happen overnight, .. it has happened overnight, and in the case of SF, KC, and Seattle it happened very quickly. This can be attributed to coaching.

I'm thinking even those that love Garrett, or those that have endless patience, are starting to look around and say, .. "what the heck, why can't we move past .500 football?"

You mention allowing the time to rebuild, ... how long do you think is reasonable to begin to notice some improvement?

Again I said people point to 1 or 2 teams but for the most part it takes some time. Like Shannhan told the Skins before he took the job, give me a 5 year deal or do not bother to hire me. He knows the job in front of him is not an overnight project it takes time to put in place. As for garrett he is in his 3rd full season as HC as far as I'm concerned the time is now for him. But no matter who you hire as coach if your not going to give him time to do the job then why bother because a top HC is not taking a job on a 1 or 2 year deal.

What do I think is a reasonable time? 3 years as HC in my view is an acceptable time frame for a coach to show he has his team moving in the right direction. This does not mean 3 years and you are winning the SB but within 3 years the team should be competing for a real shot at the championship.
 

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They were 2-14, .. something was wrong, they weren't that talented.

No matter what the circumstances, we should be seeing a noticable improvement in the W/L column by now.

two years after winning the division with like 8 probowlers...

they had a bad year, no doubt but they also had really bad QB play and a lot of injuries
 

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two years after winning the division with like 8 probowlers...

they had a bad year, no doubt but they also had really bad QB play and a lot of injuries

Two years is a long time in today's NFL, and a lot can change with a roster in that length of time.

From 2-14 to 9-0 is almost an unprecedented turn-around.

Don't minimize that to somehow cover for Garrett.
 

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Two years is a long time in today's NFL, and a lot can change with a roster in that length of time.

From 2-14 to 9-0 is almost an unprecedented turn-around.

Don't minimize that to somehow cover for Garrett.

I'm not. It is impressive. Andy is a good coach. A real good coach. But I think he has a great roster and a little luck, as several (5?) of the wins came against back up qbs.

bottom line, their roster is better at every aspect of football save the passing game. They are a much better running team, their defense is top of the line as well as thei special teams.
 

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I'm not. It is impressive. Andy is a good coach. A real good coach. But I think he has a great roster and a little luck, as several (5?) of the wins came against back up qbs.

bottom line, their roster is better at every aspect of football save the passing game. They are a much better running team, their defense is top of the line as well as thei special teams.

Tony Cassell was the problem and they had some injuries. Additionally, have you seen their schedule so far?

So you're both pretty sure that Garrett would be 9-0 if he left Dallas and went to KC last off-season?
 

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Knowing Jerry Jones' history, if he fires Garrett, he'll hire Norv Turner.
 

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You'd have to ask Mike Zimmer if he wants to come back to Dallas although I think this is so very unlikely.
 

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Didn't care for Zimmer's style of defense the first time he was here. It might work for the Bengals but not sure he'd do as well here on his second stint.

So NO as both a DC and a HC for me.
 
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