Would you like to see Drew Bledsoe back next year?

[jterrell]

The fact of the matter is JT you often bag on Spags but you're so much like him in some ways it's humorous. You have the "if he's so good why is he avialable" syndrome down pat.

I respond to other posters the same way you and everyone else does. Or do you think no one sees the response to Big Neil in post #185? The difference is, when you do it, you're clever and can show it with a "lol." When I do it, I'm malicious.

Tell me sometime when you're feeling benevolent how it feels to be blameless.


I know, I know, it's all my fault because I just don't see why you're still trumpeting calling Q over Hutch. Eventually you Q dawgs will realize it isn't impressive. I think...

Yawn.
Again thanks for not making any points.

I have never once said, "if he's so good why is he available?"

Saying "What is your plan beyond cloning Staubach?" is not at all the same thing. Same as if you tell me you think we need to change the name of this site. First thing I'd say is, "To What?"

Not sure why it is controversial to expect folks have a plan before they demand change.

I didn't bring up QC, you did. For some reason you thought it was relevant. I simply noted I have never argued with you over a player and been backing the worse player as far as I know. Were the QC-Hutch posts stupid? Of course. It was a goat rodeo where my horse was sky high and yours couldn't chew grass.

I am not blameless. I answered a post in anger because I thought it was addressed to me. It took me all of what 2 posts to note that. I can live with making mistakes defensing myself or others though as opposed to being on the attacking end repeatedly.


I was as excited about Henson as anyone. I'd still love for him to succeed but I am not for committing to him as if we know he can succeed. And I am not for playing a young guy just to get younger. There are lots of 18 year olds kids that can't play a lick fo football who would make us much younger. Young + good equals draft. Prime age + good equals very expensive. Soemtimes the only way to be good is to go old while you draft.

 

[gbrittain]

I haven't read that, but he injured all three ligaments ACL, PCL, MCL, which is the same injury Willis McGahee had.

It wouldn't surprise me.

I am not sure, but I will see what I can dig up. I could be wrong about that one.

 

[RCowboyFan]

I protect any poster I feel is being unfairly abused.Call it a personality trait. I'm not a fan of folks shouting down people who make some valid points.
Especially when done so by folks in authority or in a piling on fashion. It wreaks of fascism.

Oh, boy talk about being hypocritcal and making oneself a hero. I was ignoring most posts by you, especially since you declared yourself among the "Smart" fans ( add to that argument, pointing out English issues of a poster, which is another sign). Unfortunately I can't put a Mod on ignore list, but I have noticed you constantly have that "I know more than anyone who disagrees with me" attitude, especially for a Mod.

Now you can now go ahead and tell me I dont have point again or that I need english lesson or failed 7th grade english.

 

[jterrell]

and I suppose it is you who decides if they are valid or not... You have on numerous occasions tried to imply, stupidity, moronic, idiotic to me indirectly through your replies to my posts...I suggest you protect this poster from yourself and start reply to your own posts

You have repeatedly hung on to one stat about Bledsoe finishing 3rd or 4th in his division 11 out of 13 years I believe you stated. First, I believe that is inaccurate or at least misleading but beyond that its just old and overused because you toss it into every thread about Bledsoe. I usually ignore it. Players are generally only as good as the team around them. Bledsoe has played well at times and poorly at times. He is probably a reflection of the team around him moreso than most. He is entirely dependant upon a good OL and on a WR corps getting open because won't make plays with his feet.

I have responded to you about Bledsoe in all of 2 threads EVER. Hardly following you around picking on you.

Fact is the vast majority are voting to keep Bledsoe yet the posts are about 75% to get rid of him within this thread which means those folks are being shouted down.

We all make stupid points. I have never implied, stated or accused "you" of being a troll, stupid, hater of the team or anything else like that. I am accusing you of being mistaken in your football judgment about Drew Bledsoe. Best I can recall this is the first time we have disagreed or at least strongly so.

 

[jterrell]

Oh, boy talk about being hypocritcal and making oneself a hero. I was ignoring most posts by you, especially since you declared yourself among the "Smart" fans ( add to that argument, pointing out English issues of a poster, which is another sign). Unfortunately I can't put a Mod on ignore list, but I have noticed you constantly have that "I know more than anyone who disagrees with me" attitude, especially for a Mod.

Now you can now go ahead and tell me I dont have point again or that I need english lesson or failed 7th grade english.

Please do provide me links to me doing what you accuse me of doing.
And just how long have you been ignoring posts by me?

 

[Zaxor]

You have repeatedly hung on to one stat about Bledsoe finishing 3rd or 4th in his division 11 out of 13 years I believe you stated. First, I believe that is inaccurate or at least misleading but beyond that its just old and overused because you toss it into every thread about Bledsoe. I usually ignore it. Players are generally only as good as the team around them. Bledsoe has played well at times and poorly at times. He is probably a reflection of the team around him moreso than most. He is entirely dependant upon a good OL and on a WR corps getting open because won't make plays with his feet.

I have responded to you about Bledsoe in all of 2 threads EVER. Hardly following you around picking on you.

Fact is the vast majority are voting to keep Bledsoe yet the posts are about 75% to get rid of him within this thread which means those folks are being shouted down.

We all make stupid points. I have never implied, stated or accused "you" of being a troll, stupid, hater of the team or anything else like that. I am accusing you of being mistaken in your football judgment about Drew Bledsoe. Best I can recall this is the first time we have disagreed or at least strongly so.

Really...again you are being dishonest with me and yourself...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45149&page=9&pp=15

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaxor
This team seems to be pretty old at QB, WR, OG, that is 5 positions... do you believe we will see a change next year in any of those 5 positions? if so who? Do you believe any of those people in those positions will be getting better next year? if so who? Do you see any realistic contingency plans for those 5 positions? If so who?



QB. We have 33 year old Bledsoe. Then Romo and Henson both kids with no experience. How much younger should we get? Should we draft an 8th grader as the 3rd guy to make you feel better or perhaps sign Harrignton to start and cut Bledsoe?

WR. We have old Keyshawn and old Terry both catching 60 plus balls and getting 700 or more receiving yards then a young TE and Crayton/Copper finishing off WR. You wanna trade off DeMarcus Ware and Marcus Spears for Mike Williams at WR?

OG. Old Hall of Famer Larry Allen and middle career Rivera start. After them is Andre Gurode and 2nd year guy Peterman.They are followed by rookies.

What, do you suggest the team start all rookies?
Honestly man some of this criticism borders on insanely unintelligent.

We are starting a rookie RT, a young center, young fullback, a young TE, a rookie OLB, 2nd year ILB, 3rd year ILB, 2nd year FS, 3rd year CB.

You can't draft a whole friggin team in one off-season or even three.

Name me one team who has all of these positions taken car of for years down the line?

Basically get real dude this is 2005/6 not 1992.




That is one of many do I need to go pull others?

 

[Ashwynn]

Thanks for filling me in on my true feelings. I'll sleep better tonight for it.

Still haven't addressed the issue of why its Bledsoe you dont like? hes proved he can make plays. You guys point to the one bad play a game or quarter or series. How bout the throws that bledsoe makes that make even the TV annoucers go 'wow'. How bout the times he shrugs off a defenders hand on his shoulder pads and steps up and fires a 3rd and 8 pass to glenn for 12 yards. How bout the times he sees the D in a certain scheme and audible out and makes the play.

I hear you guys bag on him for the Seattle INT. For the Denver INT. etc...Fine. But you know what, Brady threw a INT for a TD too this year. Manning has done it. Culpepper has done it. Fact is its a throw that every QB has wished he had back. Even Staubach, Aikman and the immortal Danny White.

You guys only point to 3-4 plays through out the year and say if he hadn't thrown that we would be in the playoffs. If Thompson hadn't of dropped the ball we woulda been in the playoffs, If Roy makes that INT instead of just breaking up the pass we woulda been in the playoffs. If Jones hadda bounced that run outside and took off 45 yards for a TD instead of hitting a pile and falling down, we woulda been in the playoffs.

Fact is Drews done an admirable job for us this year and HAS made plays that other QB either would not or could not make. Yes, he threw a damn INT or two that he shouldn;t have, but mistakes happen. You live with them.

I cant see this one sided agenda against Drew you guys have. Sure his past is spotty. But Doug Williams sucked in TB before he went to Washington and won a SB. Dilfer sucked somewhere before he went to TB and WON a SB. Just cause Bledsoes past suggests he wont win, does not mean he cant defy odds. I dont beleive his past suggests he cant win. How long was Elway in the league before he won. Did he suck before he won it, then got good. NO!

Please explain, with out saying the seattle INT, why you hate Bledsoe so much. Hes not here past next year probably. And if we dont have the next great thing by the time he leaves, your gunna be begging for Bledsoe to return.

I dont understand how you can want him gone after all hes done for you. Just seems ingrateful and conscieted (sorry if I mispelt that).

 

[CaptainAmerica]

IMO, BP is here to set the team in the right direction. We won't win a SB with BP IMO, especially if he opts out after next year or even this year.

He is however making the team better, overall.

Bledsoe is not the answer for this team's future and we might as well address the QB situation NOW.

I would hate to be in a position of having the defense gelling and the offense getting better, then having to address the QB and delay the process longer.

Bledsoe is our best option NOW, but he's not our future and IMO we should be addressing the future.

Bingo Sarge!!

Until we find our QB of the future we will remain an also-ran. We might as well face it, Bledsoe is what he is. An older, inconsistent QB, who is light years better than Quincy, Chad and Vinny, but not the ultimate answer to our need at the QB position.

 

[cml750]

Still haven't addressed the issue of why its Bledsoe you dont like? hes proved he can make plays. You guys point to the one bad play a game or quarter or series. How bout the throws that bledsoe makes that make even the TV annoucers go 'wow'. How bout the times he shrugs off a defenders hand on his shoulder pads and steps up and fires a 3rd and 8 pass to glenn for 12 yards. How bout the times he sees the D in a certain scheme and audible out and makes the play.

I hear you guys bag on him for the Seattle INT. For the Denver INT. etc...Fine. But you know what, Brady threw a INT for a TD too this year. Manning has done it. Culpepper has done it. Fact is its a throw that every QB has wished he had back. Even Staubach, Aikman and the immortal Danny White.

You guys only point to 3-4 plays through out the year and say if he hadn't thrown that we would be in the playoffs. If Thompson hadn't of dropped the ball we woulda been in the playoffs, If Roy makes that INT instead of just breaking up the pass we woulda been in the playoffs. If Jones hadda bounced that run outside and took off 45 yards for a TD instead of hitting a pile and falling down, we woulda been in the playoffs.

Fact is Drews done an admirable job for us this year and HAS made plays that other QB either would not or could not make. Yes, he threw a damn INT or two that he shouldn;t have, but mistakes happen. You live with them.

I cant see this one sided agenda against Drew you guys have. Sure his past is spotty. But Doug Williams sucked in TB before he went to Washington and won a SB. Dilfer sucked somewhere before he went to TB and WON a SB. Just cause Bledsoes past suggests he wont win, does not mean he cant defy odds. I dont beleive his past suggests he cant win. How long was Elway in the league before he won. Did he suck before he won it, then got good. NO!

Please explain, with out saying the seattle INT, why you hate Bledsoe so much. Hes not here past next year probably. And if we dont have the next great thing by the time he leaves, your gunna be begging for Bledsoe to return.

I dont understand how you can want him gone after all hes done for you. Just seems ingrateful and conscieted (sorry if I mispelt that).

It has nothing to do with liking or disliking Bedsoe. He is not our QB of the future. Henson or Romo should have been starting this year so they can grow with the team. Would we have won as many games? Probably not, but we still get didn't make the playoffs and lost a valuable chance to get one of our young QB's a year of experience. Do you really want to go through the growing pains of starting a new QB once this team is ready to compete for the Superbowl. I don't. I would rather sacrifice winning a few games now to help prepare for the future than watch a new QB lose games once this team is rebuilt. :bang2:

 

[Jarv]

Still haven't addressed the issue of why its Bledsoe you dont like? hes proved he can make plays. You guys point to the one bad play a game or quarter or series. How bout the throws that bledsoe makes that make even the TV annoucers go 'wow'. How bout the times he shrugs off a defenders hand on his shoulder pads and steps up and fires a 3rd and 8 pass to glenn for 12 yards. How bout the times he sees the D in a certain scheme and audible out and makes the play.

I hear you guys bag on him for the Seattle INT. For the Denver INT. etc...Fine. But you know what, Brady threw a INT for a TD too this year. Manning has done it. Culpepper has done it. Fact is its a throw that every QB has wished he had back. Even Staubach, Aikman and the immortal Danny White.

You guys only point to 3-4 plays through out the year and say if he hadn't thrown that we would be in the playoffs. If Thompson hadn't of dropped the ball we woulda been in the playoffs, If Roy makes that INT instead of just breaking up the pass we woulda been in the playoffs. If Jones hadda bounced that run outside and took off 45 yards for a TD instead of hitting a pile and falling down, we woulda been in the playoffs.

Fact is Drews done an admirable job for us this year and HAS made plays that other QB either would not or could not make. Yes, he threw a damn INT or two that he shouldn;t have, but mistakes happen. You live with them.

I cant see this one sided agenda against Drew you guys have. Sure his past is spotty. But Doug Williams sucked in TB before he went to Washington and won a SB. Dilfer sucked somewhere before he went to TB and WON a SB. Just cause Bledsoes past suggests he wont win, does not mean he cant defy odds. I dont beleive his past suggests he cant win. How long was Elway in the league before he won. Did he suck before he won it, then got good. NO!

Please explain, with out saying the seattle INT, why you hate Bledsoe so much. Hes not here past next year probably. And if we dont have the next great thing by the time he leaves, your gunna be begging for Bledsoe to return.

I dont understand how you can want him gone after all hes done for you. Just seems ingrateful and conscieted (sorry if I mispelt that).

Ashwynn, this may sound funny, but Bledsoe just doesn't "feel" right to me. I guess my main issue with him is not how long he actually holds the ball, its what he does while holding it. Pocket presence.

I see him back there for 3-4 seconds and a Dlimen is reaching out for him. I'm thinking throw it away now, check down or move.

When he does neither of those things I freak out.

Now, he has been the best thing at QB that we have seen in years, I openly on this forum (When we were 7-3...lol) came out and admitted he was playing great and ask for my dish of Crow.

I did this because I wanted Brad Johnson here instead and dogged Bledsoe before the season ever started. But I had to be fair and admitt he played better than I thought he would.

I'm in the NE and have a lot of friends who are NE and Buffalo fans, seen him play myself a few times in Foxborough.

The O-line sucked this year, no doubt about it. Bledsoe would have done better and we probably would have made the playoffs if the line had been better.

Having said all that, I rarely see the guy make a play when something breaks down on the offense. I felt the same way about Troy, who was one of my favorites, during the last years of his career. I actually prefered Randal playing over Troy at the end of his career.

The QB does not have to be a Mike Vick type of runner, just someone who can make a move in the pocket or feel a rush. Buy a little extra time.

Troy was extremly lucky to have the players around he did and he took advantage of that. I just don't forsee Bledsoe having that type of team around him here in the next couple of years, which is what it would take for him to win us a Superbowl.

God help me I hope I'm wrong again and he leads to a Lombardi trophy. I promise to eat crow again if I'm wrong, just don't think I am.

 

[iceberg]

Hmm, maybe the kind of dreamer who has seen Dilfer, Delhomme, Warner, possibly now Plummer, and oh Bledsoe, go to Super Bowls.

Perhaps you were asleep when Bledsoe went to the Super Bowl the last time??

If I was dreaming then I must be good at it because it came true.

When you make a foolish argument that leaves me open to take shots at you and I pass just leave it alone man. I don't like my fish in the barrel.

take a shot man - but you seem to be getting awful defensive when i just bring up what YOU say, dreamer.

 

[Homerun Trot]

Perhaps Bill isn't Coach enough to develop a young guy?

Being serious.

He developed Phil Simms. Won a SB with him. Developed Bledsoe, got to a SB with him. But both teams were in full rebuilding mode at those times. Are we in full rebuilding mode? I don't think so.

 

[iceberg]

I'm not dreaming, nor am I being unrealistic. Just because something has happened in the past, doesn't mean it will happen again, otherwise you can buy your super bowl tickets, cuz Parcells and Bledsoe are going back. THIS year, on THIS team, with good protection Drew was great. When I look at the season, and see a very singular event, that everything seems to tie to, then I believe I can give Bledsoe the benefit of the doubt. I can also look at other teams, like the Chiefs and Steelers, and see how they have struggled when losing their LT. It's not rocket science. LT is one of the most important positions on the field, and it showed. To deny that, and attempt to place all the blame on Drew, is just being blind.

who's blaming it all on drew? NOT me or show me where i did. what i have said people tend to overlook is yes, w/protection he's a very good qb. OVERALL he's a little better than average and has proved it more often than not.

and i know past doesn't predict future - the one offs do happen WHICH is what it would be for drew.

can it happen??? SURE it can. is it likely? no.

history says so. i do agree you play the game, but i think we could be making better "bets" that's all and building to long answers, not shotgun approaches.

 

[iceberg]

He developed Phil Simms. Won a SB with him. Developed Bledsoe, got to a SB with him. But both teams were in full rebuilding mode at those times. Are we in full rebuilding mode? I don't think so.

and many of us want to be because we don't view the current direction as being successful. OF WHICH there are several parts but people like to put it to the extreme on individual arguments.

and when bp got here he flat out said NO QB DEV! he didn't have time.

 

[Ashwynn]

Ashwynn, this may sound funny, but Bledsoe just doesn't "feel" right to me. I guess my main issue with him is not how long he actually holds the ball, its what he does while holding it. Pocket presence.

I see him back there for 3-4 seconds and a Dlimen is reaching out for him. I'm thinking throw it away now, check down or move.

When he does neither of those things I freak out.

Now, he has been the best thing at QB that we have seen in years, I openly on this forum (When we were 7-3...lol) came out and admitted he was playing great and ask for my dish of Crow.

I did this because I wanted Brad Johnson here instead and dogged Bledsoe before the season ever started. But I had to be fair and admitt he played better than I thought he would.

I'm in the NE and have a lot of friends who are NE and Buffalo fans, seen him play myself a few times in Foxborough.

The O-line sucked this year, no doubt about it. Bledsoe would have done better and we probably would have made the playoffs if the line had been better.

Having said all that, I rarely see the guy make a play when something breaks down on the offense. I felt the same way about Troy, who was one of my favorites, during the last years of his career. I actually prefered Randal playing over Troy at the end of his career.

The QB does not have to be a Mike Vick type of runner, just someone who can make a move in the pocket or feel a rush. Buy a little extra time.

Troy was extremly lucky to have the players around he did and he took advantage of that. I just don't forsee Bledsoe having that type of team around him here in the next couple of years, which is what it would take for him to win us a Superbowl.

God help me I hope I'm wrong again and he leads to a Lombardi trophy. I promise to eat crow again if I'm wrong, just don't think I am.

All I am saying is man, hes the QB of the Dallas Cowboys, Your Dallas Cowboys. I dont get it. Why would you wanna tear down something of your own. Save that crap for someone that does not deserve to be a Cowboy. This guy played his butt off for YOU! And you bag on him, after turning the best QB season for a Cowboys QB in 10+ years. After taking you on an emotion filled ride that ended just short of the gates to the promiseland.

Based on what we have seen, I am eating up watching Drew. A real QB. I am loving every minute, every TD. To me, hearing you guys tear down Bledsoe is akin to a guy dogging his own GF. I never understood that either.

When you have a legitamate whine, fine. But a gut feeling. After what you saw this year, your football instincts dont tell you your history book could be wrong this time. You cant see that with an improved O-line play all year, we would have been a much, much better team from top to bottom, Bledsoe included. You cant see how a better line play would have helped us beat the skins in week 2. scoring 13 points is not indicative of a juggernaut.The Seahawks game, a better line would not have changed that game at all? The Denver game. This last Commander game, this last game period. A better line would have turned this offense into at least 7 more points in every game, making them all winnable except the skins game, that was an aberation, but we would have and should have scored more.

With the penalties and turnovers we crippled ourselves, how many times did we put undue pressure on Bledsoe with a 3 and 3 turned into 3rd and 8 or 3rd and 13? How many TD's came back because of penalties? How many times did we re-score that TD after the penalty?

If you cant see that the Oline sucked the life out of this offense the last half, maybe you should read a different history book. Maybe you should have your dr check your gut out. They were our achilles heel this year and they effected every facet of the team, including defense. (Cant say they directly caused special teams meltdowns).

 

[iceberg]

If you cant see that the Oline sucked the life out of this offense the last half, maybe you should read a different history book. Maybe you should have your dr check your gut out. They were our achilles heel this year and they effected every facet of the team, including defense. (Cant say they directly caused special teams meltdowns).

how do you then excuse SEVERAL SEASONS of the same thing? is it always someone elses fault or does drew have ANY accountability to you?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

He developed Phil Simms. Won a SB with him. Developed Bledsoe, got to a SB with him. But both teams were in full rebuilding mode at those times. Are we in full rebuilding mode? I don't think so.

Are head coaches really responsible for devolopment of QBS? There are QB coaches.

 

[Ashwynn]

Bingo Sarge!!

Until we find our QB of the future we will remain an also-ran. We might as well face it, Bledsoe is what he is. An older, inconsistent QB, who is light years better than Quincy, Chad and Vinny, but not the ultimate answer to our need at the QB position.

I agree with this too totally. I knew Bledsoe's not 23 and still golden. Hes got some tarnish on him. But hes certainly our best chance to do something while we are waiting to get that golden boy of the future. I dont know of a QB we could realistically get that could do any better.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Please do provide me links to me doing what you accuse me of doing.
And just how long have you been ignoring posts by me?

Ok, here is the one about "Smart":

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=657086#post657086

And here is another one about my lack of 7th grade level English comperhension:

In the same link above post no. 150


Since those discussions I have been trying not read your posts, 2-3 I read is one of the one posted now. I don't mind people calling me out if I make some point they think I am wrong on etc, or how wrong my arguments or posts are.

But It bugs me when people point out English or how smarter they are, as an argument, even if it is someone I agree with . Thats when I know I cannot argue in a civil manner. I have been on these Board/Chats , Early IRC days, enough to know, that type of arguments leads to only insults etc.

 

[Ashwynn]

how do you then excuse SEVERAL SEASONS of the same thing? is it always someone elses fault or does drew have ANY accountability to you?

What are you talking about?

1) Drews first year here. I know his history. I also know Doug Williams and Trent Dilfers History, for comparison.

2) I've admitted the talent that Parcells inhereted was sub-par and I have admitted that Parcells has not done well rebuilding this O line unit and I am suspect about the Oline coaches as well. But I also know that Parcells is a D first coach and once the D's in place, hes got nothing but time to fix the O-line. He will get it done.

3) Drews accountability? Well let me say this. I have no first hand knowledge of the Bills and Patriots lines while he was there. I have read they were decent to horrid depending on who you read. I also know the state of our Oline, compared to what a good Oline should look like. Ours is not close.

I hold Drew accountable for his actions. But when under duress, you must treat the problem, not the symptom. Bledsoe running for his life is indicitive of what? a bad QB or a bad Oline?