Would you take Zeke at 4?

PJTHEDOORS · Sep 19, 2017

kumizi said:
you seem to get very upset whenever someone questions a Cowboy

it'll be ok dear. they're big boys. they can handle it.

What are you smokin?

boysfanindc · Sep 19, 2017

Risen Star said:
LOL.

Bet ya a beer Ron Wolf here wouldn't have an issue with a CB at 4.

Must be a Oracle, a CB or DE would have been great, just as long as it was not a RB or Wentavannia

robjay04 · Sep 19, 2017

As for the question.

The 2016 draft class was weak at the top. Zeke was the best player available. You could make an argument for Ramsey considering our lack of CB depth going into this offseason but that's about it...no other players picked in that range are lighting it up.

If there was a pass rusher there...the team would've took him. Fact is we don't go 13-3 last season with just any running back.

Hopefully this whole situation is old news a year from now and he can learn and move on...we still have 4 years with him as our RB1.

Corso · Sep 19, 2017

Idgit said:
Nope. But I'd never have spent a top 5 pick on an oft-injured and short-lived position you can fill in the 3rd round. Also, I don't like Elliott.

But he is a hell of a football player. I don't believe for a second his troubles are going to legitimately impact his season. He's too good a player.

You are a pro at speaking out of both sides and I know you don't do it on purpose. This is who you are.
Kudos.

Corso · Sep 19, 2017

PJTHEDOORS said:
What are you smokin?

I'm personally smoking from the organically grown green my personal grower grows for me on an individual basis.
Hence my stoopid posts...

PJTHEDOORS · Sep 19, 2017

Corso said:
I'm personally smoking from the organically grown green my personal grower grows for me on an individual basis.
Hence my stoopid posts...

I live in Oregon, can walk into any store...(lol).

Corso · Sep 19, 2017

PJTHEDOORS said:
I live in Oregon, can walk into any store...(lol).

I would say I envy you, but I don't.
I can go into detail, but why should I? I leave it up to others to find Waldo.

Keeps others from finding me.

Idgit · Sep 19, 2017

Corso said:
You are a pro at speaking out of both sides and I know you don't do it on purpose. This is who you are.
Kudos.

I get that a lot...from posters who've been on the losing ends of debates over and over. Not that we ever go at it, Corso.

It's not exactly rocket science what I'm saying, though. He's a good football player. I'm not complaining about that. He was overvalued at #4 because of his position, so no, I wouldn't have taken him. But I'd rather have a good football player at an overvalued position than whiff at one at a position of need.

The biggest thing in the top 10 is not to miss on one of those big contracts.

The defenders who were talked about pre-draft at at that spot: Ramsey and Bosa, both play more valuable positions and both look to have been hits, too. I'd have gone in either of those directions. Or entertained a trade down for a defender if there was value on the table. I wouldn't have added to the offense and certainly not with a RB.

Idgit · Sep 19, 2017

robjay04 said:
As for the question.

The 2016 draft class was weak at the top. Zeke was the best player available. You could make an argument for Ramsey considering our lack of CB depth going into this offseason but that's about it...no other players picked in that range are lighting it up.

If there was a pass rusher there...the team would've took him. Fact is we don't go 13-3 last season with just any running back.

Hopefully this whole situation is old news a year from now and he can learn and move on...we still have 4 years with him as our RB1.

Most reports said we have Zeke ahead of Rosa. Which was a mistake on our part.

Corso · Sep 19, 2017

Idgit said:
I get that a lot...from posters who've been on the losing ends of debates over and over. Not that we ever go at it, Corso.

It's not exactly rocket science what I'm saying, though. He's a good football player. I'm not complaining about that. He was overvalued at #4 because of his position, so no, I wouldn't have taken him. But I'd rather have a good football player at an overvalued position than whiff at one at a position of need.

The biggest thing in the top 10 is not to miss on one of those big contracts.

The defenders who were talked about pre-draft at at that spot: Ramsey and Bosa, both play more valuable positions and both look to have been hits, too. I'd have gone in either of those directions. Or entertained a trade down for a defender if there was value on the table. I wouldn't have added to the offense and certainly not with a RB.

No argument from this Guy.
Darn, I'm boring!

Idgit · Sep 19, 2017

Corso said:
No argument from this Guy.
Darn, I'm boring!

You're no fun, Corso. I can't even debate the boring part.

boysfanindc · Sep 19, 2017

Idgit said:
I get that a lot...from posters who've been on the losing ends of debates over and over. Not that we ever go at it, Corso.

It's not exactly rocket science what I'm saying, though. He's a good football player. I'm not complaining about that. He was overvalued at #4 because of his position, so no, I wouldn't have taken him. But I'd rather have a good football player at an overvalued position than whiff at one at a position of need.

The biggest thing in the top 10 is not to miss on one of those big contracts.

The defenders who were talked about pre-draft at at that spot: Ramsey and Bosa, both play more valuable positions and both look to have been hits, too. I'd have gone in either of those directions. Or entertained a trade down for a defender if there was value on the table. I wouldn't have added to the offense and certainly not with a RB.

Well put, would have rather had Ramsey or a slight trade down for Buckner, whom both play a more valuable position.

kumizi · Sep 19, 2017

PJTHEDOORS said:
I only take a cb in top 5 if he is a Deion type cb, which Ramsey isn't.

You only take a CB in the top 5 if he's the best CB in the history of the game?

BotchedLobotomy · Sep 19, 2017

The only time this is a legit question will be when its time to pick up his option. It's not about the contract but rather the time frame.

TWOK11 · Sep 19, 2017

Of course

kumizi · Sep 19, 2017

I'm not gonna lie. The Zeke pick worked out way better than I thought and Zeke is also a much better running back than I thought he was.

But I still maintain we could have Derrick Henry pounding on defenses behind this offensive line and added a blue chip talent to our defense.

erod · Sep 19, 2017

I probably wouldn't now, but only because I see a guy that is changing physically in a bad way and may not have a very long career.

He's getting chubby now. What about three years from now?

And I was a huge proponent of drafting him.

TwentyOne · Sep 19, 2017

CowboyRoy said:
Knowing what you know now?

Even not knowing what i do know now you never take Elliot.

I love his running style dont misunderstand me. And i love the back he is. Still you never take him with the 4th pick. Not worth it. Mid 2nd round ok. But not 4th overall.

But we did alot of strange things:

Romos contract
Crawfords Contract
Dez' Contract

You just gonna live with those things.

boysfanindc · Sep 19, 2017

kumizi said:
You only take a CB in the top 5 if he's the best CB in the history of the game?

Great corners are a lot harder to come by then great RB's. It is really about the value at #4 overall.

kumizi · Sep 19, 2017

boysfanindc said:
Great corners are a lot harder to come by then great RB's.

I'm trying to understand his reasoning. He's saying he would only take a CB top 5 if he was Deion level.

There's been maybe 2-3 guys in the history of football that were Deion level.

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