Wouldn't it be great if our 'backups', k.o. the 'Skins' playoff hopes?

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Mansta54;1858592 said:
Do what you want but I think our backups are gonna beat you at FedEx.. You guys are way too cockey and BJ isn't Tavaris Jackson, Train Rex, or Eli. Remember, Trent Edwards beat you at FedEx. BJ is very capable of doing the same...

I don't think believing your starters can beat another teams backups is being cocky. Now if this was the divisional playoffs and I was saying the same thing then yes.

If we play the way we did against Buffalo we showed we can lose to anyone. But arguably our strongest 2 games have come back to back heading into this game.

I can see where you are coming from too. In 1991 I fully believed our backups on our 14-1 team would beat the 9-6 Eagles at the Vet (and we nearly did only losing 24-22). We will see.
 

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Skinsmaniac;1858391 said:
This is what I came here to say. We're starting five backups (plus an additional backup to the backup) because of injury. So why people downplay the Cowboys' chances, I don't know. I suppose it would make you guys feel better about losing.:D


In the first Dallas/Washington game this year, with both teams playing their starters, Dallas was heavily favored.

Now, when Dallas is expected to play a lot of their reserves... Washington is heavily favored.

Dallas is the NFC East champs. Dallas has the best record in the NFC. Dallas has homefield sewn up throughout the playoffs. In most media "power polls", Dallas has been top 5 all year and top 2 much of the time.

All that, and suddenly Washington is favored to beat them this weekend.

Why do you think that is?

Put it this way... if you think Dallas playing their backups should have no effect on the outcome of the game... you are decidedly alone in that logic... or lack of.

And don't piss off Mansta54... he'll kick your arse. :D
 

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AsthmaField;1858610 said:
Put it this way... if you think Dallas playing their backups should have no effect on the outcome of the game... you are decidedly alone in that logic... or lack of.
Dallas playing its backups affects the game but Washington doing the same doesn't?
 

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peplaw06;1857775 said:
Part of me wishies the Packers had won last week. It would have been great to see the Skins hopes of making the playoffs destroyed by our starters. But it would be great if the backups did it too :D

And which part of you would this be? Without T.O., Gurode, Henry/Newman, do you think it would be an exciting game? This ain't 1992.
 

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Skinsmaniac;1858620 said:
Dallas playing its backups affects the game but Washington doing the same doesn't?
It will be fun watching our backups kill your horrible team.. BYE BYE deadskins......
 

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FLcowboy;1858621 said:
And which part of you would this be? Without T.O., Gurode, Henry/Newman, do you think it would be an exciting game? This ain't 1992.

I figure one or both of the CBs would play. And Romo would definitely be playing the whole game if we needed to win it.

And I think with most of our D starters playing, and Romo... if we had to win it, and Washington had a chance to go to the playoffs, it would be awesome to see us smoke em.
 

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Dcz84;1858185 said:
Not going to happen, JJ will do what he has done all year and thats run not to get hurt. He knew from the begining of the year this was his last here and ran every game as if he was afraid to get hurt and ruin any chance at a big pay day, anit going to get much as a URFA running back and a tore up knee.

I think his 3.7 average and inability to maneuver around defensive tackles or break arm tackles have ruined his chance at a big pay day.
 

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Even if the Cowboys backups did win on Sunday, the Vikings or Saints would have to also win for Washington to miss the playoffs.

The Vikings play outdoors at Denver and the Saints play outdoors in Chicago. If those two home teams show up to play, then a Commanders loss isn't a guarantee they'll get knocked out. But I do think the Commanders losing is more unlikely than the Vikings and/or Saints winning.
 

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Skinsmaniac;1858620 said:
Dallas playing its backups affects the game but Washington doing the same doesn't?

I'm not an oddsmaker.

Let me ask you though:

Why do you think when Dallas was playing it's starters, they were favored big? Don't say homfield because we all know that's worth 3 points.

Why do you think when Dallas is expected to play backups, washington is favored pretty big? It isn't homefield.

I'll tell you why, since you seem to be having a difficult time figuring it out: Dallas is a heavy favorite over the mediocre Commanders no matter where they play... unless the Cowboys are expected to rest their starters in a game that matters absolutely nothing to them. In that case, and only in that case... the oddsmakers expect the Commanders to win.

So... anyone saying that the Commanders are just as good as the Cowboys, even if they were playing their starters would probably be about the only one with that opinion. In other words... they'd be a homer Commander fan who couldn't see reality because of the ugly B&G glasses they're sporting.

Everyone else... fans of other teams... Media... ex-players... and vegas oddsmakers understand how much a better team the Cowboys are if they're playing their starters.

On a little different note: It's going to be a blast going into that game knowing we are playing backups and that we have absolutely nothing to lose. Trick plays... onside kicks... going for it on fourth down... nothing is out of the question because we have nothing to lose. Nothing. Test new plays... try new things... move players around... it's a perfect chance for those things.

The pressure on the Commanders and you fans must be enormous. Your season rides on this and if you lose to backups, you will be the laughing stocks of the NFL. Some knowledgeable people know that Dallas has a lot of backups that are pretty darn good... and that the Commanders have only beaten crappy teams in their little three game streak. But the rest of the world will be laughing their arses off if you lose.

If you win, it is expected and proves only that you can beat a second string lineup at home... if you lose, it will be HUGE and carry over all offseason and into training camp. That will be priceless if it happens.:lmao:

You better give your QB some Geritol, because you guys absolutely can't afford to lose this one. ;)
 

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Eddie;1857767 said:
Don't count on it. If our backups play the majority of the game, expect the Skins to make the playoffs.

I don't like it, but backups are backups. It's not like 1992 when we had Pro Bowl backups.

The drop off from our starters to our backups is pretty severe.

The thing is, the Skins will be missing a lot of starters too... there's gonna be a lot of backups on backups in this one...
 

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AsthmaField;1858943 said:
I'm not an oddsmaker.

Let me ask you though:

Why do you think when Dallas was playing it's starters, they were favored big? Don't say homfield because we all know that's worth 3 points.

Why do you think when Dallas is expected to play backups, washington is favored pretty big? It isn't homefield.

I'll tell you why, since you seem to be having a difficult time figuring it out: Dallas is a heavy favorite over the mediocre Commanders no matter where they play... unless the Cowboys are expected to rest their starters in a game that matters absolutely nothing to them.

I will break it down for you so that even you can understand. When the Cowboys and Commanders first played, the Boys had a great record, the Skins not. The Skins were missing 4 starters which was one of the reasons that they didn't have a good record. That is why the Cowboys were favored heavily. Now when the Cowboys are planning on resting some of their starters the Commanders are favored. Perhaps this is because the Boys and Skins will be on an even field? The Skins are missing their starting QB, RT (and second string RT), RG, CB, OLB, and FS. The Cowboys will likely rest their QB, C, NT, WR and a couple other starters as well. THEY BOTH ARE MISSING THE SAME NUMBER OF STARTERS. The difference is that the Boys are expected to get their starters back, while only Campbell could return for the Skins.

Essentially you are saying that the oddsmakers didn't take into account the Skins injuries when setting the line for the first game, while they are taking account of the Boys' injuries when setting the line for Sunday. That is beyond absurd.

It could be said that the Boys' starters are better than the Skins, and so they will be missed more. That I won't argue. But after we kick your *** on Sunday, I don't want to hear anyone say that you were holding out players, because you will only be missing the same number of starters as us.
 

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silverbear;1858953 said:
The thing is, the Skins will be missing a lot of starters too... there's gonna be a lot of backups on backups in this one...


Honestly bear... I think we have some very good backups.

The whole reserve DL is full of nice players. Tank, Hatcher and Bowen are good, IMO. Bowen and Hatcher are better rushing the QB that Spears and Canty.

I think they keep the DL rotation pretty close to what they've done all year anyway. Maybe more of the second string, but no a whole lot, I think.

Kevin Burnett is a very nice player and I like him better than Ayodele for everything except taking on blocks... which Phillips won't ask him to do very much. Carpenter will be interesting to watch in James' spot.

The secondary is a concern, of course... but Watkins and Davis have both started some for us and Reeves is a nice player. Jones and Ogelsby worry me some, but we'll see. Courtney Brown and Ball both have a lot of potential and Ball in particular has very nice instincts for the position.

Jones is a nice player behind Barber and Fasano and Curtis are damn nice TE's. Fasano would be a starter on about 23 of the 32 teams.

Getting Glenn back will help the WR's and Hurd and Austin have proven they can produce when they get the chance. Stanback is a wild card but he's got loads of potential... his growth will be fun to watch.

We have some very good backup OL, IMO. McQ and Proctor in particular are better than most reserves. I think McQ would have been starting in Kosier's place if he wouldn't have had to replace Colombo all preseason. He was slated to compete with Kosier until Colombo had his knee cleaned out.

Finally, Brad Johnson can still play QB. Is he Romo? No, but who is? Not many are better. Brad won't make dumb mistakes or give in to pressure. He should be able to move the team quite well.

Plus, I really feel like people are overrating the Commanders because of their three game winning streak. Collins is JAG and they've only beaten some of the worst teams in the NFL in that time.

T. Jackson literally gave the game away and frankly, Adrian Peterson should just whip Jackson's arse. He didn't have an inch to run because the Commanders brought 10 men into the box and Jackson couldn't been ancient Smoot.

The Bears are... well the bears, and Eli played like ever-lovin' **** against them.

Collins and the Commanders are living a lie right now, and I hope we can bring them back down to Earth with all their obstructed-view minions watching.

Dallas' backups might not be able to pull it off... but it's a lot of the young guys chance to show what they got... so I think they'll play tough.

If we do win... we might have to have a psychic medium to pull Art back from the brink. Of course, good Ol' Art might not even notice because he'll undoubtably have a few supermodels there to distract him.
 

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SkinsandTerps;1858968 said:
Fear is in the air.

Fear that your HC will have another Alzheimer moment and lose the game with another inexplicable decision? I sympathize, but don't think you really need to worry: you've got Todd Collins.
 

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Most of you Cowboys fans don't seem to get it. Let me repeat it one more time: many of our key positions are already being played by backups and we're winning. Your team has been mostly healthy this season. So to me, Cowboys haven't done anything special.
 

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redster;1859023 said:
Most of you Cowboys fans don't seem to get it. Let me repeat it one more time: many of our key positions are already being played by backups and we're winning. Your team has been mostly healthy this season. So to me, Cowboys haven't done anything special.

Your team was nothing special before the injuries. You skin fans are nothing but hot air as for the Cowboys 13-2 moron that is a damn good season by any standard.
 

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redster;1859023 said:
Most of you Cowboys fans don't seem to get it. Let me repeat it one more time: many of our key positions are already being played by backups and we're winning. Your team has been mostly healthy this season. So to me, Cowboys haven't done anything special.

If you believe this, then what does that tell your coaching staff and personnel men about who they put on the field, if the backups are supposedly playing better than the starters?
 
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