WT: Taylor case may change

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SkinsFan26 said:
As a Commanders fan, of course I want to assume the best will happen for Sean.

Which would be fine-- if you limited yourself to that... instead, you lie and distort, in a blatant attempt to put a positive spin on the current proceedings...

That being said, none of us know what really happened. In fact, half of what we read about this case is probably false.

Ahhh, but YOU seem to want us to believe that you do... you tell us that all the witnesses against Sean have felony convictions, that they're the "felons" who stole his ATVs, that they're the "felons" who conducted that drive-by...

Which is completely contemptible, inasmuch as you've offered no proof of any of that... and if they WERE guilty of the latter two accusations, then surely they would have been CHARGED WITH THE CRIMES, and that information would be available online...

Reading what was published today, 10 days before trial, all of us must agree that he probably will not see any jail time.

I was saying that months ago... if OJ didn't do any time, if Chmura got away with raping that teenybopper, then it's ridiculous for any of us to assume that Taylor will get jail time when it boils down a "we said, they said" situation...

Then again, as you've just admitted, you don't know what evidence the prosecution has against Taylor... but the simple fact that Taylor's side is engaging in plea bargain negotiations SHOULD tell you that they're not completely confident he'll beat the rap, which SHOULD worry you...

And of course, if Sean DOES accept a plea bargain, it will undoubtedly be on which does not require any jail time, or at worst, will allow him to serve out a brief sentence in the offseason... but if he accepts such a plea bargain, the NFL will certainly suspend him for at least coupla-three games... so you won't have your precious Sean available for the Skins for at least a short while...

If the defense is willing to talk plea bargain, you can pretty much count on Sean missing a little time... and of course, if he accepts a plea bargain, the whole world will know that he's a slimeball...
 

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Hell of a post, Jon. Leaves me wondering why you dont post more often
 

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SkinsFan26 said:
I never said that he has never facemasked a player. He was penalized 15 yards on that play, and that's fine.

Show me a video where he rips a player down by the back of their neck, like when Roy broke TO's ankle.

When Roy did that, it was legal... and since it's been made illegal, how many penalties has he incurred for doing that??

When Taylor tried to rip that helmet off that guy's head, he knew it was illegal... same when he spit on that player, then lied right through his teeth about it...
 

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BigDFan5 said:
That was quite possibly one of the most unbiased things I have seen a Skins fan say on here. You need to go back to extremeskins obviously the brainwashing hasn't taken yet.

Are we sure this one is a Skins fan?? His name could mean he's an Iggles or Giants fan...
 

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ghst187 said:
I agree also, the thing is...once a thug, almost always a thug. He'll probably get off on this case, but inevitably there will be another incident at some point. You can take the guy out of the ghetto but not the ghetto out of the thug...or something like that...:laugh2:

Not only is that not right, it's not cool...

Sean Taylor may be a punk, but it's not because he came from the "ghetto", and if he's a "thug", it's not because he wasn't raised right...

His daddy is actually the chief of police in a small town in Florida, and Sean apparently had a pretty much middle class youth...

Now, you are completely right about what'll happen if he does get off on this, he'll more than likely figure that he's golden, and can pretty much do whatever he wants...
 

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BigDFan5 said:
Well little troll your ES buddy is the one saying they were chared and arrested etc etc. So if there are no links to prove it then how on earth does he know?

If they were indicted on any charges, that info should be available on that particular county's courthouse's website... indictments are a matter of public record...
 

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What is going on here? Am I just drunk, or are people trying to argue that Sean Taylor doesn't tackle people by the shoulder pads? That is complete BS. Sean Taylor will tackle anyone, anywhere, by any means possible. I'll admit when the horsecollar rule came out, the first people I was scared for were Lavar and Sean Taylor. I've seen them horsecollar many a times. If it comes down to letting someone get by them or they get horsecollared...they're getting horsecollared...hard. I've seen ST hit people out of bounds, run over cheerleaders, and spit on wife beaters. Only tackles with his shoulder pads? Pu-lease. He's a bad mofo and will do whatever it takes to take someone down, and send a message in the process. I watched him cover T.O. and Randy Moss one-on-one when he was rookie, break up the play, then get up and talk mad **** to their face. He's a baaad boy, and that's why I love this kid.

Trust me...if he was a Cowboy, he would be your favorite player ever. And I'm pretty sure I would hate his guts.
 

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firehawk350 said:
I was hoping that a little bit of common sense would be applied to my posts. I don't know the cop, I don't know if he's talking about it for sure. I was merely saying that any NORMAL person would talk about a run-in with a celebrity. Especially one with impacts such as this...

On that point, I have absolutely no doubt that you're right... I say that because I have a coupla casual friends who are police officers down at Virginia Beach, and they were telling Plaxico Burress horror stories at a party I attended 2-3 years back... I mean, REALLY eye-opening stuff...

I recognize that they may have been embellishing for effect, but their contempt for the guy was quite genuine...

And when I tell that story, I tell it more or less that way, emphasizing that I have no idea if the way I heard it is really the way it was... but I believed them, which is why I generally refer to the guy as Plaxico the Punk...
 

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MTRS-Jon said:
While it is certainly true that information can be gathered from places other than the internet, keep in mind that the "alleged" information is being posted on a internet forum. Your argument if I understand it correctly and I believe that I do is that he could have heard this information from a reliable source and as such it could be true even though the story isn't verifiable through the most widely accepted source in this forum. (Internet Link).

When you accept heresay as fact regardless of the situation your belief in the statement has more to do with your respect or regard of the individual relaying the information. This is true not only on message boards but in your every day life as well. Look at this issue from a cowboys fans perspective: A known fan of the Commanders, who has in previous posts made statements or comments which could not be verified makes a wild series of statements that sheds a different light on a incident involving a star player of his team. Many of the people on this forum would of course be inclined to disbelieve the statements, not because they dislike the player, rather because they distrust the source.

If you want to be taken seriously on an opposing team’s message board then it makes sense to be able to prove your statements. If you cannot prove them either through a verifiable link, a copy of the police report anything, then you have to expect to have some doubt thrown your way.

I could just as easily say

ST wasn't just waving his gun around, he fired 9 shots into a daycare and killed Polly the stuffed rabbit, as well as critically injuring an innocent Raggedy Ann doll who visiting Andy.

Simply saying it doesn't make it true or not. If I was a highly regarded member of this forum with more posts to my credit instead of the once in a blue moon approach I take to message boards as a whole, then many people on this forum would probably accept my statement as gospel without demanding proof of any sort. However, if I posted it on ES it would be dismissed immediately as Cowboy’s homerism and ignored.

Right or wrong, if you are going to make such statements on a opposing teams message boards then you ought to be ready willing and able to defend yourself with more than I heard it from a guy who knows a guy who saw a video of it one sunny afternoon. Otherwise, all you will get is skeptical disbelief. To expect or demand mutual respect is one thing, but to say that he could know somebody with a hookup, so we should believe it is a little hard to swallow.

Ok, I will slide back into the corner and shut my mouth again.

Beautiful...Get out the corner...You really are doing the rest of us an injustice by not posting... we can use your insights in the discussions..

so what do you think about TO?, Bill?, JuJo? etc?
 

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silverbear said:
On that point, I have absolutely no doubt that you're right... I say that because I have a coupla casual friends who are police officers down at Virginia Beach, and they were telling Plaxico Burress horror stories at a party I attended 2-3 years back... I mean, REALLY eye-opening stuff...

I recognize that they may have been embellishing for effect, but their contempt for the guy was quite genuine...

And when I tell that story, I tell it more or less that way, emphasizing that I have no idea if the way I heard it is really the way it was... but I believed them, which is why I generally refer to the guy as Plaxico the Punk...

Share a Plax story, and I will share a Randy Moss story.
 

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SkinsandTerps said:
Share a Plax story, and I will share a Randy Moss story.

Well, the gist of the stories were that when Plax came home after his rookie year, he and his crew liked to wander the boardwalk at the beach late at night, well lubricated (if you catch my drift), hassling tourists... panhandling, in a VERY aggressive fashion...

Obviously, Plax had just banked some serious dollars, so his only reason for doing that was to play the tough guy, to intimidate the tourists... that's why I will always consider him a punk...

I may know some of the Moss stories you might want to tell, but bring 'em on anyway... them, I read about in various sources, both online and off...
 

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From a good source:

Okay here's the story in a nut shell. I'm a Police Officer in Concord, NC. My position is that of a school resource officer at a local high school. I also happen to be the JV baseball coach at the school (first year doing it and having a ball). Anyway, our varsity team was having a four team scrimmage last Saturday at one of our cities athletic facilities. This facility has several baseball fields, swimming complex, and gymnasium. Randy Moss happens to have a daughter that lives in our city. Her rec. basketball team was playing a game just before the baseball scrimmage got underway. Several of my players saw and recognized him inside the gym. They went up in their baseball uniforms and politely asked for him to autograph their baseball hats. He stated that he was not their to sign autographs, pretty much blowing off my guys. There may have been a total of ten people in the gym at that time.

Later that afternoon the guy that runs the rec. center noticed Randy sitting on one of the pool tables. He politely went up and asked him to get off the table explaining that its a rec. center rule and that they don't let the kids do it. Randy was on his cell phone and ignored the guys request. The rec. employee then went to a uniformed officer and asked him to ask the guy to get off the table. He was met with the same defiance, so he had no choice but to order him off the table. Randy then got off of his phone and proceeded to cuss out the rec. employee who was just doing his job. He called him a "expletive" and asked why he had to get the police to do his dirty work. After several words with the officer he was kicked out of the rec. center and banned for one year.

Randy then left w/o seeing his daughter play. He pulled out of the parking lot in a Lexus SUV, with Minnesota tags. We later found out that his license is revoked in NC and he has an outstanding warrant for Driving while revoked in a neighboring county. The officer that dealt with Randy was kicking himself all day for not taking his *** to jail. This guy is scum to the bone.

Just a window into how the primadonna athlete acts.
 

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SkinsandTerps said:
From a good source:



Just a window into how the primadonna athlete acts.

No, I hadn't heard that one... it doesn't surprise me, though...
 

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Today's news.....

It appears Sean Taylor is headed for trial after all. Negotiations between lawyers for the Washington Commanders safety and Florida state's attorneys on possibly altering the charges that Taylor faces proved fruitless yesterday. So each side is expected to report to Judge Mary Barzee on Tuesday that it will be ready for the oft-postponed trial to begin as scheduled April?10 in Miami.
Taylor, who turned 23 today, faces a maximum of 46 years in prison: 15 years on each of three felony assault charges and one year on a simple battery charge. All four counts stem from an incident June?1 in Miami that Taylor's attorneys say began when some of the state's witnesses stole two of his all-terrain vehicles. Prosecutors said Taylor fired shots at three men in retaliation.
The fifth pick in the 2004 draft, Taylor has been a mainstay of Washington defenses that ranked in the top 10 during his two seasons. Pierson Prioleau would join newly acquired Adam Archuleta as a starter, with only practice squad member Curry Burns in reserve if Taylor was found guilty and imprisoned.
Meanwhile, restricted free agent Ade Jimoh signed his $722,000 tender with the Commanders. For the moment, Jimoh, who played mostly on special teams during his first three seasons, is the No.?3 corner behind starters Shawn Springs and Carlos Rogers.
 

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Charles said:
There's a very good discussion going on at extremeskins about the article that led this thread. Some Guys who practice Law chimed in check-out pages 4 and 5 very intersting (about the laws...assault etc).
http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151066&page=5&pp=15


I got to the third or fourth post before I read Art making statements about assaulting his wife. Whether joking or not, that's about as low rent as a "man" (and I use that word loosely) can be.
 

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he was passing on information he believes to be correct. We can't confirm it, so who are we to say it's incorrect. calling him a liar is baseless. Saying he has no backing to his case, and saying his point of view is meritless, well that's a different story.

See here is where you are making the mistake. He wasnt passing on info he thought to be correct, he was making things up. Calling him a liar is not baseless it is correct.


Fine, I told you to correct me if i was wrong. You did. I was wrong, you don't hate them. So do you hate the idea of the franchise? What about the franchise do you hate anyways? It's so vague... I dislike the Cowboys. I disagree with the management style, some former players and I believe that most cowboys tend to have showboating attitudes (maybe unfair, but I think cowboys and I think Deion, Keyshawn and now TO). I don't like the america's team moniker. So there you go, that's what I don't like about the cowboys, so what don't you like about the skins?
But do you hate Osama Bin Laden? How about Saddam? What about Zarqawi? Not all hate is bad, it can be warranted. But you speak like hate is the worst thing ever. Hate can be motivating...

We are talking football man, I hate no person in football because of the team he plays on.


okay, so you implied it. only 10% of communication is what we say... Either way, here's some examples of where you implied he is a criminal... Skins fan said he thinks Sean Taylor will be acquitted. You said you don't think so. Anyways, I didn't mean to say you SAID he was a no good dirtbag. I was paraphrasing the fact that you don't think highly of Mr Taylor. Thus your position. I was backing you up in the fact that if he turns out to be a "thug", I will back that position (whether you hold it or not) 100%.

No I implied nothing. You are not qualified to tell me what I was "thinking" I am a prety forward guy i write down what I mean dont try and interpret some other kind of meaning into my words.

Skins fan said he thought the charges would be dropped I said i dont think so. That is different from aquital

Again unless i actually say something then dont try and tell me how I feel, your clairvoyant skills are not up to par



In case you didn't know, Washington Post locks up their old articles, I believe (off the top of my head), either 2 months, or 2 weeks after the fact. So in that case, it would be, wouldn't it?

Here is a link to a post article about Taylor from last June, 11 months ago notice it isnt locked up. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/20/AR2005062001243.html



Wow, on your beck and call, I will go ahead and bother many people who have no connection to this argument. Let's assume I did. I called all those people, and got the information. Since it isn't weblinked (the whole point behind my argument to begin with), would you believe me? It's just my word.

At least you would have some kind of plausible story to attribute your argument to, the person we are discussing just made things up and had no idea how to explain where he got it.


Again, I'm not debating the tenants of the case. I am not debating the tenants of the case. I am not debating the tenants of the case. (They say you understand 40% of what you read the first time, 60% the second time and 90% the third). I am debating the fact that information can be gathered that isn't accessible through the web. And to outright call a man a liar because he can't provide a link is unfair. Do you, or do you not, argee?

It is fair because he is lying. Maybe you arent aware of who the guy is. He comes over and makes things up thats what he does. He also says Taylor has never made a tackle while holding jersey do you believe that too?








I didn't quote him. I said (implied using some common sense) that he most likely is telling the story to people. Thus, it is not lunacy to believe the story could be gotten from him. So I'll repeat this twice more, I am not saying that he is telling the story to people, I am not saying he is telling the story to people. I am saying that in most likelihood he is, I am saying in most likelihood he is. Do you get the difference yet?
Either way, it's a small detail. Only a scenario I put out there to support my argument (which is [again] that information gained isn't always through the internet)[/quote]
 

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silverbear said:
Are we sure this one is a Skins fan?? His name could mean he's an Iggles or Giants fan...

you know you're right and I am not certain at all
 

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BigDFan5 said:
you know you're right and I am not certain at all

BigDFan5, did you know that Jennifer Aniston is going to secretly marry Osam bin Laden? It was reported just yesterday! Now, I have no "links" on the Internet, or no other substantial proof, other then that is the truth as I know it...and if I wanted to prove it, maybe I have friends that are in the "power Capital" of the World, and could possibly go ask some of their friends, but, I don't have either the time, or the motivation to do so, because I really don't care who she marries...

Am I lying, or telling the truth?
 

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5Stars said:
BigDFan5, did you know that Jennifer Aniston is going to secretly marry Osam bin Laden? It was reported just yesterday! Now, I have no "links" on the Internet, or no other substantial proof, other then that is the truth as I know it...and if I wanted to prove it, maybe I have friends that are in the "power Capital" of the World, and could possibly go ask some of their friends, but, I don't have either the time, or the motivation to do so, because I really don't care who she marries...

Am I lying, or telling the truth?

I will have to go with option 1 :) lol
 

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BigDFan5 said:
I will have to go with option 1 :) lol

Exactely! No different then what the RedStink is trying to pull! And, then we have his babysitter coming over here to try and protect him by saying that maybe he is telling the truth?

RedStink logic, my man, simple as that! ;)
 
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