Yay or Nay? Murray 4 years $38 million with $20 million guaranteed

[erod]

You could say the same about WR around the league does that mean Dez should not get a fair deal?

He should get a fair deal that is loaded with behavioral protections for the team, yes.

As good as he is, he is still a very limited player. His route tree remains limited.

He's not going anywhere. He absolutely doesn't want to learn another playbook for other coaches in other cities. He knows how difficult that is for him. And with this marketing kick he's on, he very much needs the star on his helmet, too. Fortunately, Jerry knows this and is playing it brilliantly for a change.

 

[NeonNinja]

I wouldn't even think about anything close to that. Later.

 

[erod]

....and Murray has a 400 yard advantage on all of your listed RB's. He's right for our team. A different "kind" of runner... say Frank Gore... would have far less success in this offense. Gore's a burrowing power back, while Murray is an inside/outside threat. It doesn't always work the way you think when you put a diff RB in a diff offense. Foster is a guy that is most similar to Murray. Forte is multi-dimensional but is far softer than Murray down to down.

There's nothing wrong with having a DeMarco Murray as your bell-cow. His injuries have been somewhat fluky, he's in great shape and still relatively low mileage given the injury history. Pay him somewhere near the top 2 or 3 RB's and I think he'll stay, I think his own mind has changed about the team. Last year I would have said he wanted out definitely.

I do not pay big money for a running back, period. They're too easy to find. I'd pay a young AP, but now, I'd be careful about paying him long-term as well.

Put your money in linemen and quarterbacks.

And a handful of running backs would have taken some of Murray's runs to the house, which he can't do. He's a damn tough runner though, which is actually another reason not to sign him to too much. He's beating himself up.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

The RB market went south. No one is paying 4 years $38M for a RB in today's NFL. Take a look at all the backs coming out this year along with all those who will be FAs. It is a buyer's market. RBs have a tough time even getting drafted in the 1st rd anymore. And it really is RB by committee for most teams.

4 years and $16M is fair. I like Murray and hope he stays but we are in no position to break the bank. Bigger fish to fry with Dez, Rolando McClain, free, and Parnell and others.

 

[Eddie]

Where are we gonna come up with this kind of money? We're already over the salary cap for next year, and we still need to re-sign Dez.

 

[DanTanna]

I'm very worried if we pay him the big bucks he will shut it down like other RBs have done. They start making career decisions at the team's expense.

 

[yimyammer]

You could say the same about WR around the league does that mean Dez should not get a fair deal?

Why are you so worried about what's "fair" for these players? You'd make a horrible GM.

Its not the Cowboys responsibility to create "fair" deals. They should be determining the value of any given player in the context of the entire team and have the disciple to stick to their valuations. If they have done their calculations correctly in light of their evaluation of a given players talent, then the deal will be inherently fair.

What they can't fall into the trap of doing is paying a player according to the outliers of the past like AP. If a given player thinks he deserves this kind of deal, then he isn't being fair to himself or the team, he's just gambling that some idiot team will lack the disciple and over pay. Having said that, if the player thinks he can do better elsewhere, then godspeed to him.

Each player must determine whatever he deems to be a fair deal, Its not managements responsibility.

IMHO, managements allegiance should always be toward the team which should always be greater than any single player (with the lone exception being QB).

I really believe management needs to be pushing the benefits of playing for the Cowboys heavily, imo.

How many other markets offer the same exposure, off field earning opportunities, no state income tax, CHEAP real estate (relative to any market that could compete with Dallas for exposure) and cost of living?

I say none

 

[Doomsday101]

I took out Randle's longest run...

...I guess the argument is that I don't think Murray is a top RB. I don't see how there is anything to really separate Murray from Forte, Bernard, Ellington, Bell...

I guess that is the argument, Murray last season in 14 games was a top 10 back this season he is showing himself to be far and away the best back in the NFL 2nd leading back is over 400 yards behind him.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Because Sherman Williams did so well behind the "Great Wall of Dallas" during Emmitt's 2 game hold out in 93. You can't say this, because there is no definitive proof of purchase, only a Joseph Randle 41 yard TD run vs the Jaguars...

You're "probably" right, but I don't care. Give me the proven power back that is leading the league in rushing, catches the ball well, pass protects and knows the Cowboys offense over anyone else that may or may not be better.

That was Derrick Lassic

 

[Doomsday101]

He should get a fair deal that is loaded with behavioral protections for the team, yes.

As good as he is, he is still a very limited player. His route tree remains limited.

He's not going anywhere. He absolutely doesn't want to learn another playbook for other coaches in other cities. He knows how difficult that is for him. And with this marketing kick he's on, he very much needs the star on his helmet, too. Fortunately, Jerry knows this and is playing it brilliantly for a change.

he will go as the money goes this is a business, I'm sure Dallas will pay him as one of the top WR and I think Dallas will find a way to take care of Murray. People have moaned and complained about not having talent? These 2 men are very talented ball players and they will help this team win championships.

 

[Future]

I guess that is the argument, Murray last season in 14 games was a top 10 back this season he is showing himself to be far and away the best back in the NFL 2nd leading back is over 400 yards behind him.

No he's not. Most yards doesn't make him the best back. The game isn't that black and white.

Running for 70 or 80 ypg BEFORE CONTACT means that it's the line doing everything. That's like saying Drew Brees was the best QB in the game b/c he set the yardage record. He wasn't even close.

 

[YosemiteSam]

If your the GM do you do it?

....but Jerry is going to sign AP all day!

 

[Doomsday101]

Why are you so worried about what's "fair" for these players? You'd make a horrible GM.

Its not the Cowboys responsibility to create "fair" deals. They should be determining the value of any given player in the context of the entire team and have the disciple to stick to their valuations. If they have done their calculations correctly in light of their evaluation of a given players talent, then the deal will be inherently fair.

What they can't fall into the trap of doing is paying a player according to the outliers of the past like AP. If a given player thinks he deserves this kind of deal, then he isn't being fair to himself or the team, he's just gambling that some idiot team will lack the disciple and over pay. Having said that, if the player thinks he can do better elsewhere, then godspeed to him.

Each player must determine whatever he deems to be a fair deal, Its not managements responsibility.

IMHO, managements allegiance should always be toward the team which should always be greater than any single player (with the lone exception being QB).

I really believe management needs to be pushing the benefits of playing for the Cowboys heavily, imo.

How many other markets offer the same exposure, off field earning opportunities, no state income tax, CHEAP real estate (relative to any market that could compete with Dallas for exposure) and cost of living?

I say none

I want fair deals to keep talent on this team. Our critics around here have moaned and gone on about Jerry sucks and we have no talent and we will never win with Jerry here. Well damn it we have some talent guys who can help this team win and now the same critics want to fricken low ball these players for what? So you guys can come here and holler that Jerry sucks and we have no talent. lol You guys kill me,, it is almost like you take greater joy in complaining, even at 7-3 people come here to complain

 

[Doomsday101]

No he's not. Most yards doesn't make him the best back. The game isn't that black and white.

Running for 70 or 80 ypg BEFORE CONTACT means that it's the line doing everything. That's like saying Drew Brees was the best QB in the game b/c he set the yardage record. He wasn't even close.

That is your view leading rusher by most is considered the best back, Drew Brees is an elite QB because of the numbers he puts up. Megatron is an elite WR by the numbers he puts up but now Murray is not? LOL Ok right

 

[Future]

That is your view leading rusher by most is considered the best back, Drew Brees is an elite QB because of the numbers he puts up. Megatron is an elite WR by the numbers he puts up but now Murray is not? LOL Ok right

I don't think Drew Brees is even in the top 5 passers in the league and never has been. I'm saying his passing yards don't make him elite. Running yards don't make Murray the best.

By that logic, Emmitt is the best RB to play the game and I don't think even the biggest Emmitt fans think that.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think Drew Brees is even in the top 5 passers in the league and never has been. I'm saying his passing yards don't make him elite. Running yards don't make Murray the best.

By that logic, Emmitt is the best RB to play the game and I don't think even the biggest Emmitt fans think that.

I think Emmitt is deserving of all he got because he earned it, clearly your views and mine are not alike. You prove it on the field and let the numbers speak for themselves everything else is opinion.

 

[Future]

I think Emmitt is deserving of all he got because he earned it, clearly your views and mine are not alike. You prove it on the field and let the numbers speak for themselves everything else is opinion.

Letting the numbers speak for themselves is just way too narrow of a perspective and completely and utterly fails when it comes to determining "best". Yes, best is an opinion, but numbers only tell half the story...if that.

Is Vinny Testaverde a top 10 qb of all time? He's 9th in yards. Kerry Collins has more yards than Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, and Jim Kelly. Is he better than any of them? Is Eli Manning better than Aaron Rodgers?

For RBs...

Is Jerome Bettis the 6th best RB ever? Better than Tony Dorsett, Jim Brown, and Eric Dickerson? Was Edgerrin James better than OJ Simpson? Was Tyrone Wheatley better than Gale Sayers?

The list just goes on and on and on. You're arguing who the most productive is. That doesn't make them the best.

 

[Doomsday101]

Letting the numbers speak for themselves is just way too narrow of a perspective and completely and utterly fails when it comes to determining "best". Yes, best is an opinion, but numbers only tell half the story...if that.

Is Vinny Testaverde a top 10 qb of all time? He's 9th in yards. Kerry Collins has more yards than Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, and Jim Kelly. Is he better than any of them? Is Eli Manning better than Aaron Rodgers?

For RBs...

Is Jerome Bettis the 6th best RB ever? Better than Tony Dorsett, Jim Brown, and Eric Dickerson? Was Edgerrin James better than OJ Simpson? Was Tyrone Wheatley better than Gale Sayers?

The list just goes on and on and on. You're arguing who the most productive is. That doesn't make them the best.

Again we do not agree, guys go out and play they earn what they put up simple as that it is the only thing a player can do.
Best ever that is debatable and people love to debate it with different great players but in the end only 1 hold the all-time leading title

 

[Future]

Again we do not agree, guys go out and play they earn what they put up simple as that it is the only thing a player can do.
Best ever that is debatable and people love to debate it with different great players but in the end only 1 hold the all-time leading title

Ok, so is Vinny Testaverde a top 10 QB?

 

[yimyammer]

I want fair deals to keep talent on this team. Our critics around here have moaned and gone on about Jerry sucks and we have no talent and we will never win with Jerry here. Well damn it we have some talent guys who can help this team win and now the same critics want to fricken low ball these players for what? So you guys can come here and holler that Jerry sucks and we have no talent. lol You guys kill me,, it is almost like you take greater joy in complaining, even at 7-3 people come here to complain

You need to reread my post, I said none of the things you're alluding to (although I do think jerri sucks but thats a completely different issue and not what I'm discussing here at all).

Have you been under a rock or something? When is the last time jerri low balled a player? That has not been his problem since Emmitt had to hold out. People want the team to be prudent in light of the big picture, you can't pay everyone top dollar. Additionally, there is no recent precedent for the team low-balling its players.

They have consistently over paid and hurt the team in the process and its my humble opinion why they falter down the stretch because they are too top heavy with the salaries in a few players. You have to build a competitive 53 if you want to go places in this league. Just think about the contracts to Roy Williams (WR), Miles Austin, Marion Barber, etc & how Jay Ratliff & Orton screwed the team over.

Marcelus Wiley was on ESPN a few years back bragging & laughing about how he stuck it to jerri when he signed here full well knowing he had nothing left in the tank. I wish someone would show that video to jerri every time he is about to sign off on a contract. Damn, I wish I had recorded that video, it would really piss you off if you saw it.

I think everyone wants Murray back, they just don't want to see a repeat of the past bloated contracts that hurt the team when the player's performance drops off or gets injured.

I for one am applauding jerri or whomever is responsible for what appears to be a measure of restraint.