Yay or Nay? Murray 4 years $38 million with $20 million guaranteed

[btcutter]

The AP love kills me. He's an awesome back, but a horrible person for what he did to his son, with other relatively fringe behaviors in his past. Maybe it's me but I do NOT want Peterson on this team despite the value of his addition.

Murray is fine. He's putting up AP numbers and deserves to stay. He's class and well conditioned. I like the character of this team as a whole. We don't NEED Peterson.

We are talking about improving a football team here. Not here to pass judgements. You said yourself that he's an awesome back. I like Murray but won't pay him elite money for being a good.

Honestly, NFL is full of fringe characters. Would you have cut Michael Irvin in the 90's? Or half of the OL during the "White House" era? Again, we are just talking football.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'd consider shooting the GM who offered such a ridiculous contract to a RB.

4 years - $25 mil with $10 mil guaranteed

 

[DOUBLE WING]

That Julius Randle TD run is all you need to know.

A lot of RB's can run behind this line. Murray isn't worth the money.

 

[Chuck 54]

No team in the NFL is going to give Murray 9 million per year.
No team is going to give Petterson that money.
I'm not sure you will ever see another RB making that kind of money unless it's a weak team with lots of cap room and no other stars.

We started with an offer of 4 years at 16 million. I can see that jumping to 4 for 20 million if he stays healthy and productive for the stretch run.

 

[mmohican29]

We are talking about improving a football team here. Not here to pass judgements. You said yourself that he's an awesome back. I like Murray but won't pay him elite money for being a good.

Honestly, NFL is full of fringe characters. Would you have cut Michael Irvin in the 90's? Or half of the OL during the "White House" era? Again, we are just talking football.

To be fair, alot of fans knew Mike was a problem but we had no idea as to how deep his problems were from observing the Cowboys play on Sundays. It's a far more open universe for athletes these days. Any misstep is tweeted and repeated instantly. In the 90's you woke up to hear "Michael Irvin subject of murder for hire plot" on the radio or "Multiple Dallas Cowboys accused of rape" and you were more or less .... "whutttt?"

 

[mmohican29]

That Julius Randle TD run is all you need to know.

A lot of RB's can run behind this line. Murray isn't worth the money.

It's "Joseph Randle" for those who need to know.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

It's "Joseph Randle" for those who need to know.

Ah yeah, I always call him Julius because of the jersey number.

 

[mmohican29]

Ah yeah, I always call him Julius because of the jersey number.

lol its ok but I'd be remiss not to counter your "need to know" statement. Zone cred! (flashing sign)

 

[LittleD]

Nope...Let some other team like the Commanders pay the man that kind of money.
There will be lots of options for RB next spring.

 

[KJJ]

If your the GM do you do it?

Ask me after the season.

 

[jgboys1]

Nope. Would rather use that money on Dez.

 

[mmohican29]

We are talking about improving a football team here. Not here to pass judgements. You said yourself that he's an awesome back. I like Murray but won't pay him elite money for being a good.

Honestly, NFL is full of fringe characters. Would you have cut Michael Irvin in the 90's? Or half of the OL during the "White House" era? Again, we are just talking football.

Does AP improve the Cowboys? Probably. I won't deny that.

But for how long. Can he handle being Dez's DeMarco Murray? Why mess up chemistry if you don't have to. Get a deal done with the devil you know.

 

[Future]

Because Sherman Williams did so well behind the "Great Wall of Dallas" during Emmitt's 2 game hold out in 93. You can't say this, because there is no definitive proof of purchase, only a Joseph Randle 41 yard TD run vs the Jaguars...

You're "probably" right, but I don't care. Give me the proven power back that is leading the league in rushing, catches the ball well, pass protects and knows the Cowboys offense over anyone else that may or may not be better.

Limited attempts, but Randle is averaging nearly 7 ypc. Even without the 40 yard TD, its over 5.5.

Murray is a complete back, but Randle has shown me enough to say that other backs will be very good behind this line.

You could say the same about WR around the league does that mean Dez should not get a fair deal?

No you couldn't.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Because Sherman Williams did so well behind the "Great Wall of Dallas" during Emmitt's 2 game hold out in 93. You can't say this, because there is no definitive proof of purchase, only a Joseph Randle 41 yard TD run vs the Jaguars...

You're "probably" right, but I don't care. Give me the proven power back that is leading the league in rushing, catches the ball well, pass protects and knows the Cowboys offense over anyone else that may or may not be better.

Why do folks keep bringing up stuff from 1993?

1. First off it was Derrick Lassic and not Sherman Williams.

2. That was a holdout and not a free agency issue.

3. The team had just won a SB. If the Cowboys win a SB this year behind Murray he'll have more leverage.

4. The two teams Dallas played those first two games of the season were against the team they had beaten in the last SB and the team that won the SB the prior season– so it's not like Dallas was playing St. Mary's School for the Blind.

5. Who's to say the offensive line wasn't quite as motivated to block for Lassic in those first two games considering the acrimony between Smith and the club.

6. My guess is that if Murray left via free agency the club would bring in someone with a better pedigree than Derrick Lassic.

 

[Vinnie2u]

Why do folks keep bringing up stuff from 1993?


3. The team had just won a SB. If the Cowboys win a SB this year behind Murray he'll have more leverage.


6. My guess is that if Murray left via free agency the club would bring in someone with a better pedigree than Derrick Lassic.

If the Cowboys win the SB I'll pay Murray myself... But seriously if we do win... Murray will go to the highest bidder.. No need to hang with Jerry and co.

 

[Doomsday101]

Limited attempts, but Randle is averaging nearly 7 ypc. Even without the 40 yard TD, its over 5.5.

Murray is a complete back, but Randle has shown me enough to say that other backs will be very good behind this line.

No you couldn't.

avg per attempt does not tell the whole story, 1 good run can increase you YPC. Murray has shown he can take on the load and actually gets stronger as the game goes on. I value very good players and that is what Murray is and should be paid as one of the top backs. Not talking AP money but he certainly deserves to be paid as a top RB and they are not some dime a dozen. Avg players are a dime a dozen top player are much harder to come by regardless of the position

 

[btcutter]

Does AP improve the Cowboys? Probably. I won't deny that.

But for how long. Can he handle being Dez's DeMarco Murray? Why mess up chemistry if you don't have to. Get a deal done with the devil you know.

If Dez get paid and we are winning Dez has shown that he's a team guy. Has AP shown to be a problematic teammate? Not as far as I know.

Murray has not shown ability to carry a team where as AP has. Romo's got a few years left at best. I like to give him a chance to win a SB and I believe AP gives us that best chance.

You asked "how long"? Murray hasn't exactly been durable himself. AP and Murray probably get similar annual contracts except Murray wants a longer commitment that I am not willing to do.

 

[yimyammer]

Murray isn't sniffing 20 mill guaranteed from any team, not even close.

I'm not so sure about that, there always seems to be some team out there willing to overpay.

That possibility can't influence the decision they make on Murray, they need to decide his value to the team and stick to their guns (& lets hope the days of over valuing their players are over).

I do think there are several things special about Murray, he takes pride in his craft, he's humble, leads by example not to mention the obvious things he does on the field.

He strikes me as the epitome of the "right kind of guy"

How much that's worth is going to be a tough equation to solve

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Nope.

 

[Future]

avg per attempt does not tell the whole story, 1 good run can increase you YPC. Murray has shown he can take on the load and actually gets stronger as the game goes on. I value very good players and that is what Murray is and should be paid as one of the top backs. Not talking AP money but he certainly deserves to be paid as a top RB and they are not some dime a dozen. Avg players are a dime a dozen top player are much harder to come by regardless of the position

I took out Randle's longest run...

...I guess the argument is that I don't think Murray is a top RB. I don't see how there is anything to really separate Murray from Forte, Bernard, Ellington, Bell...