Yay or Nay? Murray 4 years $38 million with $20 million guaranteed

Doomsday101 · Nov 11, 2014

Future said:
Ok, so is Vinny Testaverde a top 10 QB?

In yards thrown Yes, it is what it is.

Doomsday101 · Nov 11, 2014

yimyammer said:
You need to reread my post, I said none of the things you're alluding to (although I do think jerri sucks but thats a completely different issue and not what I'm discussing here at all).

Have you been under a rock or something? When is the last time jerri low balled a player? That has not been his problem since Emmitt had to hold out. People want the team to be prudent in light of the big picture, you can't pay everyone top dollar. Additionally, there is no recent precedent for the team low-balling its players.

They have consistently over paid and hurt the team in the process and its my humble opinion why they falter down the stretch because they are too top heavy with the salaries in a few players. You have to build a competitive 53 if you want to go places in this league. Just think about the contracts to Roy Williams (WR), Miles Austin, Marion Barber, etc & how Jay Ratliff & Orton screwed the team over.

Marcelus Wiley was on ESPN a few years back bragging & laughing about how he stuck it to jerri when he signed here full well knowing he had nothing left in the tank. I wish someone would show that video to jerri every time he is about to sign off on a contract. Damn, I wish I had recorded that video, it would really piss you off if you saw it.

I think everyone wants Murray back, they just don't want to see a repeat of the past bloated contracts that hurt the team when the player's performance drops off or gets injured.

I for one am applauding jerri or whomever is responsible for what appears to be a measure of restraint.

I'm not talking over pay I'm saying paid fairly, if he can get Murray to take a cheap deal great but realistically if you expect Murray to remain or Dez to remain they will have to be paid fair market value and their agents very well understand what that market is.
I agree that Jerry has had bad deals but I also recall a time when Jerry told Irvin if you want Jerry Rice Money then go out and put up Jerry Rice numbers, Mike did and Jerry paid him. Same with Emmitt when he wanted Barry Sanders money, Jerry told him to put up the numbers he did and Jerry paid him.
Murray and Dez are doing just that I expect them to be dealt with fairly

Future · Nov 11, 2014

Doomsday101 said:
In yards thrown Yes, it is what it is.

That's not what you're saying regarding Murray though.

he is showing himself to be far and away the best back in the NFL

Leading rusher by most is considered the best back

You didn't say Murray is the best in "yards rushed," you said he's the best back. That's a big difference.

Doomsday101 · Nov 11, 2014

Future said:
That's not what you're saying regarding Murray though.

You didn't say Murray is the best in "yards rushed," you said he's the best back. That's a big difference.

Right now Murray is the best back in the NFL he is out playing these guys you are saying are just as good they are not. Leading all RB is one thing leading all RB by over 400 yards is a lot. Is Murray the best back ever? No is he the best back right now I say his numbers clearly says he is and by a hell of lot.

yimyammer · Nov 11, 2014

Doomsday101 said:
I'm not talking over pay I'm saying paid fairly, if he can get Murray to take a cheap deal great but realistically if you expect Murray to remain or Dez to remain they will have to be paid fair market value and their agents very well understand what that market is.
I agree that Jerry has had bad deals but I also recall a time when Jerry told Irvin if you want Jerry Rice Money then go out and put up Jerry Rice numbers, Mike did and Jerry paid him. Same with Emmitt when he wanted Barry Sanders money, Jerry told him to put up the numbers he did and Jerry paid him.
Murray and Dez are doing just that I expect them to be dealt with fairly

Then I don't know what you're worried about. If history is any indication then jerri will pay the player more than plenty.

Doomsday101 · Nov 11, 2014

yimyammer said:
Then I don't know what you're worried about. If history is any indication then jerri will pay the player more than plenty.

I'm not worried I do think Dez and Murray will be paid as top players. I don't expect Dez to get Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald money nor Do I expect to see Murray get Peterson money or even that of McCoy but I do think he will be given a fair offer that would put him in the top 5 RB in the league

Eddie · Nov 11, 2014

I do believe that we'll re-sign both Murray and Dez. I just hope we don't hand them cap killing contracts that make it impossible to sign future talent.

gmoney112 · Nov 11, 2014

Doomsday101 said:
Right now Murray is the best back in the NFL he is out playing these guys you are saying are just as good they are not. Leading all RB is one thing leading all RB by over 400 yards is a lot. Is Murray the best back ever? No is he the best back right now I say his numbers clearly says he is and by a hell of lot.

By this logic, Connor Barwin is a better player than JJ Watt because he has more sacks..

Just sayin'.

Zekeats · Nov 11, 2014

I started this post just because I am realistic as to what to expect as far as contracts go for......This is just about what his agent is going to be looking for. Everyone laughed and talked crap about when I did this with Romo and I was only off 3-5 million in guaranteed money....I nailed the contract years and total amount.

HAHA.....found the old post

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/what-will-the-romo-contract-look-like.254137/

cowboys2233 · Nov 11, 2014

skinsscalper said:
I don't mind the contract numbers but there's no way I guarantee 20 million on that contract. Murray has yet to play a full season. I like the kid and I really hope to retain him, but there have to be some escalators and incentives built in for him to cash in, IMO. If someone else wants to swoop in and give him a ridiculous contract then you let him walk. It's bad business to invest that much in a guy who hasn't finished ONE full season in his entire tenure here.

So much has been made of his inability to finish a season. Fractured ankle in 2011, IR and missed 3 games. Sprained foot in 2012, missed 6 games. Sprained MCL last year, missed 2 games. Sorry, but those injuries don't really suggest someone who is fragile or more importantly, someone who is not willing to play hurt, or even more importantly, the type of injuries that could slow him down in the near future (like a torn ACL could). They suggest bad luck, no more, no less. He's not constantly pulling hammies like Miles Austin. He is not sitting out with questionable injuries, like many others.

I don't necessarily disagree with you regarding guaranteed money, I just don't think his injury history should impact that because I think the rumors of his supposed fragility are completely overblown. He has already toted the rock 244 times this year, a full season for many backs, and he is still going strong. So yes, he HAS finished a full season...he has just done it in ten games. Comparatively, Marshawn Lynch missed games due to injury in 3 of his first 4 seasons too.

Future · Nov 11, 2014

Doomsday101 said:
Right now Murray is the best back in the NFL he is out playing these guys you are saying are just as good they are not. Leading all RB is one thing leading all RB by over 400 yards is a lot. Is Murray the best back ever? No is he the best back right now I say his numbers clearly says he is and by a hell of lot.

Yes, his numbers say it. The eye test doesn't. That's the whole point.

cowboys2233 · Nov 11, 2014

Future said:
Yes, his numbers say it. The eye test doesn't. That's the whole point.

Actually, he passes the eye test too. Maybe you should get your eyes checked, they are failing you.

xwalker · Nov 11, 2014

theranchsucks said:
If your the GM do you do it?

No! That is more per year than the franchise tag.

skinsscalper · Nov 11, 2014

cowboys2233 said:
So much has been made of his inability to finish a season. Fractured ankle in 2011, IR and missed 3 games. Sprained foot in 2012, missed 6 games. Sprained MCL last year, missed 2 games. Sorry, but those injuries don't really suggest someone who is fragile or more importantly, someone who is not willing to play hurt, or even more importantly, the type of injuries that could slow him down in the near future (like a torn ACL could). They suggest bad luck, no more, no less. He's not constantly pulling hammies like Miles Austin. He is not sitting out with questionable injuries, like many others.

I don't necessarily disagree with you regarding guaranteed money, I just don't think his injury history should impact that because I think the rumors of his supposed fragility are completely overblown. He has already toted the rock 244 times this year, a full season for many backs, and he is still going strong. So yes, he HAS finished a full season...he has just done it in ten games. Comparatively, Marshawn Lynch missed games due to injury in 3 of his first 4 seasons too.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that he is fragile or even unwilling to play in pain. The fact of the matter is that he hasn't finished a single full season since he's been here. Reason be damned that's the truth of the matter and something as an owner I would HAVE to take into account if I'm getting ready to re-sign you long term. I love the kid and hope we get him re-signed but I'm not in favor of foresaking responsible cap responsibilities to get it done. As an owner I leverage the missing time to get a more team friendly contract done.

Like I said, a solid base and guaranteed money with some playing time and performance clauses that give Demarco every opportunity to maximize his pay day. He reaches those escalators and EVERYONE is happy.

tm1119 · Nov 11, 2014

4 years $28M with something like 12-14M guaranteed. I think we'd be bidding against ourselves with anything more. Just not a lot of teams lining up to pay RB's big money in the year 2015.

Doomsday101 · Nov 11, 2014

Future said:
Yes, his numbers say it. The eye test doesn't. That's the whole point.

whose eyes yours? that is where we differ.

5Stars · Nov 11, 2014

Future said:
Yes, his numbers say it. The eye test doesn't. That's the whole point.

Who's eyes? Your eyes? lol

That 40-30 vision of yours needs checked!

5Stars · Nov 11, 2014

Doomsday101 said:
whose eyes yours? that is where we differ.

Holly hell...we said the same thing at the same time! lol

cowboys2233 · Nov 11, 2014

theranchsucks said:
I started this post just because I am realistic as to what to expect as far as contracts go for......This is just about what his agent is going to be looking for. Everyone laughed and talked crap about when I did this with Romo and I was only off 3-5 million in guaranteed money....I nailed the contract years and total amount.

HAHA.....found the old post

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/what-will-the-romo-contract-look-like.254137/

No, I'm with you on this. I see some jokers suggesting we should offer half of what you proposed, like that is even remotely within the realm of reality. Your numbers are almost identical to what I suggested a few weeks back and take into account what other top backs are currently making. Very comparable guaranteed to some of the other top backs (including AP) and a very comparable annual salary (other than AP, who had a ludicrous annual salary). Some of you that are laughing at his figures should **** and do some research.

Doomsday101 · Nov 11, 2014

5Stars said:
Holly hell...we said the same thing at the same time! lol

lol, seems that way. I know many are saying we should get Peterson, well his best season in 2012 in 10 game is less than what Murray is putting up this season
at the end of 10 games in 2012 Peterson had 1,128 yards rushing and 7 TD and Murray this year 1,233 yards and 7 TD. Again not expecting Murray to get Peterson type contract but I do think people are under estimating how good Murray is playing

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