Yay or Nay? Murray 4 years $38 million with $20 million guaranteed

[DC Cowboy]

Tell me first how much to sign AP for 2 years.

I think Murray is a good back but lacks explosiveness to be elite. So I wouldn't pay elite money for him. I rather franchise him for a year and see what happens if it's necessary.

4 yr 32 million is Matt Forte money which is reasonable but I think AP is an upgrade and maybe able to get for shorter term because of his current legal issue.

I DON'T WANT AP, HE IS NOT A COWBOYS! KEEP MURRAY HE IS A DALLAS COWBOYS.

 

[erod]

Nope.

Murray is a good back and a good pass protector, but a LOT of backs would be leading the NFL in rushing behind that line and on that offense.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Tell me first how much to sign AP for 2 years.

I think Murray is a good back but lacks explosiveness to be elite. So I wouldn't pay elite money for him. I rather franchise him for a year and see what happens if it's necessary.

4 yr 32 million is Matt Forte money which is reasonable but I think AP is an upgrade and maybe able to get for shorter term because of his current legal issue.

All he does is get 1st downs.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

I'd say no. Use the tag on him. He needs to prove he can stay healthy for a full season more than once. And he hasn't even made it through this season yet. (Knock on wood)

 

[btcutter]

All he does is get 1st downs.

AP may have been turning some of those 1st downs into Touchdowns.

Murray is good but not great. Just trying to see if we can improve this team.

 

[Boyz981]

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

AP may have been turning some of those 1st downs into Touchdowns.

Murray is good but not great. Just trying to see if we can improve this team.

You are talking about our very own Terrell Davis for Elway (Romo) and you want to mess with that.

I am glad we are not the GMs with the money.

Like Elway, this could what rides us through playoffs. I wouldn't mess with that. AP is one "turn those in TD's" away from injury ..... Again.

No thanks to the guy who owns a whipping room?

 

[mmohican29]

Tell me first how much to sign AP for 2 years.

I think Murray is a good back but lacks explosiveness to be elite. So I wouldn't pay elite money for him. I rather franchise him for a year and see what happens if it's necessary.

4 yr 32 million is Matt Forte money which is reasonable but I think AP is an upgrade and maybe able to get for shorter term because of his current legal issue.

The AP love kills me. He's an awesome back, but a horrible person for what he did to his son, with other relatively fringe behaviors in his past. Maybe it's me but I do NOT want Peterson on this team despite the value of his addition.

Murray is fine. He's putting up AP numbers and deserves to stay. He's class and well conditioned. I like the character of this team as a whole. We don't NEED Peterson.

 

[erod]

All he does is get 1st downs.

And fail to go the distance when he's free and clear. AP would have 200 more yards by now with the same carries.

Murray is a good back. Pay him. But nowhere near this much. Running backs are a dime a dozen. They're easy to find.

 

[erod]

I'd say no. Use the tag on him. He needs to prove he can stay healthy for a full season more than once. And he hasn't even made it through this season yet. (Knock on wood)

That tag will be needed for Dez, and you only have one.

 

[Vinnie2u]

Nah... Use the money to sign Ro Mac and Dez..

 

[ChronicCowboy]

That tag will be needed for Dez, and you only have one.

I disagree. Dez will sign a new deal in January.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Yep. I'd make that deal. That assures you this team has a real running back who works hard and takes this seriously.

It also offers a terrific option in the passing game and a very solid blocker. I think the best blocker at RB since Emmitt.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I would. Besides being a very talented player in his physical prime, he is also selfless, a hard worker, and a good role model for how a professional should act for younger players. He is the kind of guy you want on your team..

The guarantee is high but if you back-load the rest in the final year, it wouldn't be too bad.

This!

 

[mmohican29]

Nope.

Murray is a good back and a good pass protector, but a LOT of backs would be leading the NFL in rushing behind that line and on that offense.

Because Sherman Williams did so well behind the "Great Wall of Dallas" during Emmitt's 2 game hold out in 93. You can't say this, because there is no definitive proof of purchase, only a Joseph Randle 41 yard TD run vs the Jaguars...

You're "probably" right, but I don't care. Give me the proven power back that is leading the league in rushing, catches the ball well, pass protects and knows the Cowboys offense over anyone else that may or may not be better.

 

[erod]

I disagree. Dez will sign a new deal in January.

I don't think so unless he signs a very team friendly deal. I don't think they trust him to give him much guaranteed, and I'm glad. Do NOT let that Jay-Z cartel push you around in negotiations.

Dez is finally learning the offense, and they know he doesn't want to leave and start over in another city for another coach and quarterback and another playbook that will take him three years to learn. The Cowboys know that, and will call Jay-Z's every bluff, I think.

Dez will get over it, or he won't. But the days of playing Santa Claus are over around here, thankfully.

 

[erod]

Because Sherman Williams did so well behind the "Great Wall of Dallas" during Emmitt's 2 game hold out in 93. You can't say this, because there is no definitive proof of purchase, only a Joseph Randle 41 yard TD run vs the Jaguars...

You're "probably" right, but I don't care. Give me the proven power back that is leading the league in rushing, catches the ball well, pass protects and knows the Cowboys offense over anyone else that may or may not be better.

Look around the league. Everybody has a good back. Lynch, Gore, Lacy, Forte, Ingram, McCoy, Morris, Charles, Foster, Bernard, Ellison.......

They're just too easy to find. The only transcendent running back is Adrian Peterson. Murray is no AP.

 

[gmoney112]

Because Sherman Williams did so well behind the "Great Wall of Dallas" during Emmitt's 2 game hold out in 93. You can't say this, because there is no definitive proof of purchase, only a Joseph Randle 41 yard TD run vs the Jaguars...

You're "probably" right, but I don't care. Give me the proven power back that is leading the league in rushing, catches the ball well, pass protects and knows the Cowboys offense over anyone else that may or may not be better.

It's not about "liking" Murray. In the salary cap era, the decision you have to make isn't necessarily the decision you want to make.

Murray isn't getting a big contract, and there is 0% chance he is franchised, it's simply too much on the cap for next season. Anyone who thinks the tag is a legitimate proposal hasn't looked at the figures, which is fine, but they have to understand it's not going to happen.

Murray also has what, 600-700 yards before contact this season? He's having a historic season, but the OL is helping him a ton.

It's not like you have to decide between Murray and Lance Dunbar, there will be other RB's available in FA and the draft. Randle has looked pretty decent in limited time, and I was never a fan of his, so bringing in a RB that actually has talent would be a minimal dropoff, imo.

After watching Lynch this weekend, I can confidently say Murray is a good RB, but he's not a top tier RB. Lynch won that game by himself. He got 8-10 yards after contact on most of his runs. AD is in the same category. If someone can honestly say they think Murray is in the same sentence with these guys, they don't watch other teams, period.

I'd love to have Murray on the cheap, but I'm not paying him a bunch of money. I think it's real possibility AD comes to Dallas on a short deal if Murray wants too much money, and he'd be an improvement objectively speaking, regardless of the ethical dilemma he presents. But Murray isn't sniffing 20 mill guaranteed from any team, not even close.

 

[Doomsday101]

Look around the league. Everybody has a good back. Lynch, Gore, Lacy, Forte, Ingram, McCoy, Morris, Charles, Foster, Bernard, Ellison.......

They're just too easy to find. The only transcendent running back is Adrian Peterson. Murray is no AP.

You could say the same about WR around the league does that mean Dez should not get a fair deal?

 

[mmohican29]

Look around the league. Everybody has a good back. Lynch, Gore, Lacy, Forte, Ingram, McCoy, Morris, Charles, Foster, Bernard, Ellison.......

They're just too easy to find. The only transcendent running back is Adrian Peterson. Murray is no AP.

....and Murray has a 400 yard advantage on all of your listed RB's. He's right for our team. A different "kind" of runner... say Frank Gore... would have far less success in this offense. Gore's a burrowing power back, while Murray is an inside/outside threat. It doesn't always work the way you think when you put a diff RB in a diff offense. Foster is a guy that is most similar to Murray. Forte is multi-dimensional but is far softer than Murray down to down.

There's nothing wrong with having a DeMarco Murray as your bell-cow. His injuries have been somewhat fluky, he's in great shape and still relatively low mileage given the injury history. Pay him somewhere near the top 2 or 3 RB's and I think he'll stay, I think his own mind has changed about the team. Last year I would have said he wanted out definitely.