Yet Another QB Ranking - But This One Shocked Me Twice

[Swanny]

I see Eli is still living off his Super Bowl rings.

Something good to be living off of. Wish Romo was living off of 2 Rings

 

[KJJ]

He threw 601 pass attempts last year, as the Giants were always playing catch-up. The number of yards (VERY misleading stat in his case) was a result of sheer volume of passes thrown. Yards per attempt is a much more relevant measuring stick.

Eli didn't measure up.

Eli measured up pretty good when you consider he had a career high in attempts and lost his top receiver during the season and Beckham missed the first 4 games of the season. Eli had 601 attempts and finished the season with only 14 int's and a passer rating of 92.1 which was the second highest passer rating of his career. The only time Romo ever attempted over 600 passes in a season it resulted in a career high 19 int's and a career low 90.5 passer rating.

 

[Sarge]

Eli should be nowhere near the top 10.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Luck had a passer rating of 96.5 which is pretty efficient for a QB who put the ball up over 600 times and was playing behind an average at best OL. The one season Romo had to put the ball up over 600 times in 2012 it resulted in a career low 90.5 passer rating. Luck didn't even have much of a running game last season which ranked 22nd. Brees led the Saints to a 7-9 record and part of the reason for that was his 20 turnovers that helped cost the Saints some games. Although Luck had 2 more turnovers than Brees he tossed 7 more TD's and had 3 rushing TD's.

He got the Colts to an AFC title game with very little around him so he should have been ranked ahead of Brees who was sitting home for the playoffs. As for your claim that Flacco should have been ranked ahead of Luck are you serious??? Flacco threw for over 800 fewer yards than Luck and had 13 fewer TD passes plus his passer rating was lower than Lucks. Flacco led Baltimore to one fewer win than Luck did with the Colts in 2014 and didn't get the Ravens as far in the playoffs as Luck got the Colts.

I wasn't responding to you about Luck, I was responding to you about Eli.

 

[ghst187]

The Colts were a 2 win team when Luck arrived they wouldn't sniff the playoffs without him.

Agreed but he isn't close to being the second best qb in the NFL, maybe top seven

 

[KJJ]

Agreed but he isn't close to being the second best qb in the NFL, maybe top seven

I agree with that.

 

[KJJ]

I wasn't responding to you about Luck, I was responding to you about Eli.

You're right my bad I've been debating both probably meant that post for someone else.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

I would love to have somebody do an anonymous poll of the 30 non-Cowboys-Giants general managers in this league; and ask them if they'd rather build an offense around Romo or Eli in their prime.

I'd believe Romo would get the edge based on his mobility and how the game is played today. The "Eli has rings" argument is bunk to me; because anybody who understands football knows the Giants' defense won those games. How many Super Bowls are won when offenses score 17 and 21 points like Eli's did??

 

[DandyDon1722]

Eli measured up pretty good when you consider he had a career high in attempts and lost his top receiver during the season and Beckham missed the first 4 games of the season. Eli had 601 attempts and finished the season with only 14 int's and a passer rating of 92.1 which was the second highest passer rating of his career. The only time Romo ever attempted over 600 passes in a season it resulted in a career high 19 int's and a career low 90.5 passer rating.

Well...we all know how bad Cutler's career had been...don't we?
(Credit to Hos for finding this recently)

 

[rpntex]

Eli measured up pretty good when you consider he had a career high in attempts and lost his top receiver during the season and Beckham missed the first 4 games of the season. Eli had 601 attempts and finished the season with only 14 int's and a passer rating of 92.1 which was the second highest passer rating of his career. The only time Romo ever attempted over 600 passes in a season it resulted in a career high 19 int's and a career low 90.5 passer rating.

14 INTs is good, considering the sheer number of attempts. It was still 15th in INT% among QBs with 300 or more pass attempts. That's not top 10.

92.1 QBR is also pretty good, considering it was his second-best season. Unfortunately for him, we're not ranking the "Eli Manning seasons against himself". This is about who is the better QBs right now. As it pertains to his latest season performance, the 2014 season, Eli was NOT top 10 in that category, either. He was 14th, instead.

Most experts regard a YPA of 7.5 to be good, and a YPA of 8.0+ to be excellent. Eli's 2014 YPA ranking was 14th (7.3). Once again, NOT top 10.

He did break into the top 10 in both TDs (30) and TD percentage (5.0).

Finally, who else besides you are comparing him to Tony Romo in this thread? There are blind people who can see that Tony Romo was easily the better QB last year. But, I digress...that's not what this thread is about.

Looking at his career, I would have no problem including him in a top 10 list (near the bottom) of ACTIVE QBs. Philip Rivers is the only one if that list who I could see him displacing, but more than likely, he's #10 at best.

 

[Rockport]

From Fox Sports - this was as different as I've ever seen and highest I've ever seen Tony in a national article which really surprised me.

10. Ryan
9. Rivers
8. Roethlisberger
7. Eli
6 Peyton
5. Romo
4. Wilson
3. Brady
2. Luck
1. Rodgers

But this was the shocker - I read a lot of the comments ( 322 as of today) and that's where haters usually light Romo up but I only read 2 idiots who said he didn't belong in the top ten and they immediately got shut down by others. Some sample comments such as:

"I hate the Cowboys, but that dude can play..."
"Eh, it wouldn't bother me if he won a ring, guys' been a whipping boy for ten years and took it like a man."
"People hate on him but he seems like a pretty cool dude."

There's no question that he really changed public perception last year. His performance also led him to come into the public eye more and on social media so that people get to know what we already know and was mentioned recently here -- who wouldn't want to have a couple of beers with Tony Romo.

No time to rest and enjoy it though - time to work and grind and push and get it to the next level.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/photos...ck-peyton-manning-russell-wilson-070715#img_9

Football people have known for years how good Romo is. I personally don't need anyone else to validate that fact. He's a ELITE QB and has been for years.

 

[Rockport]

Romo wouldn't survive a season with the teams Luck has had. Luck attempted over 600 passes last season and was only sacked 27 times which was 2 fewer than Romo who had a career low in attempts in which he played at least 15 games. Luck has attempted over 1800 passes in his 3 seasons in Indy which shows how much he carries that team. Lucks OL isn't even half as good as the OL Romo plays behind and Luck had the 22nd ranked rushing attack in 2014 while Romo had the 2nd ranked rushing attack. The Cowboys defense was ranked 8 spots higher than the Colts defense last season. It's obvious some of you don't realize how bad the Colts would be without Andrew Luck.

He's a terrific young QB who's forced to carry what would be a bad team without him. He turned a 2-14 team into an 11-5 playoff team overnight. He's already win 3 playoff games and reached an AFC title game with no running game, an average at best OL and defense. Romo has never been stuck with a Cowboys team that's had as little talent as the Cots have. For a young still developing QB to get the Colts to the playoffs 3 straight seasons with 11-5 records is remarkable in my opinion.

Only an idiot would use stats like you to justify your arguments.

 

[KJJ]

14 INTs is good, considering the sheer number of attempts. It was still 15th in INT% among QBs with 300 or more pass attempts. That's not top 10.

92.1 QBR is also pretty good, considering it was his second-best season. Unfortunately for him, we're not ranking the "Eli Manning seasons against himself". This is about who is the better QBs right now. As it pertains to his latest season performance, the 2014 season, Eli was NOT top 10 in that category, either. He was 14th, instead.

Most experts regard a YPA of 7.5 to be good, and a YPA of 8.0+ to be excellent. Eli's 2014 YPA ranking was 14th (7.3). Once again, NOT top 10.

He did break into the top 10 in both TDs (30) and TD percentage (5.0).

Finally, who else besides you are comparing him to Tony Romo in this thread? There are blind people who can see that Tony Romo was easily the better QB last year. But, I digress...that's not what this thread is about.

Looking at his career, I would have no problem including him in a top 10 list (near the bottom) of ACTIVE QBs. Philip Rivers is the only one if that list who I could see him displacing, but more than likely, he's #10 at best.

There's always going to be comparisons between Romo and Eli playing in the same division and having battled head to head in 2 elimination games (playoff/season finale) which led to Eli's 2 championships. Many have compared them look at all the Eli vs Romo threads that have been started and none were started by me. I simply pointed out that Eli had fewer int's and a higher passer rating than Romo during seasons where both had over 600 attempts. That shows how good a season Eli had in 2014 it certainly wasn't better than Romo's season but it was clearly good enough to place Eli in the top 10. You couldn't make an argument for any other QB being ahead of Eli in the top 10 other than maybe Mathew Stafford but he didn't pass for as many yards, didn't have as high a completion percentage and didn't have as high a passer rating as Eli. I agree with the top 10 but not the order.

 

[landroverking]

I don't think Wilson is a top ten qb.

 

[KJJ]

I don't think Wilson is a top ten qb.

Playoff wins and SB's have to count for something as does efficiency. Too many here are hung up on passing stats which is why some Cowboy FANS think Romo is better than Aikman and Staubach but Wilson provided over 4300 yards of offense passing and rushing in 2014. He produced more rushing yards than any QB in the league last season with 849 yards and had 6 rushing TD's. Maybe it's not his numbers that get his game shredded by FANS here because we're seeing the same thing with Andrew Luck who was 3rd in the league in passing yards and tossed 40 TD passes leading the Colts to the AFC championship.

It appears to me some here have an agenda to tear down the games of some of the young guns as well as some of the long time veteran QB's because many feel Romo doesn't receive the respect he deserves. It's almost like some are trying to get back at these QB's for receiving the respect they do. It was pretty amusing watching some Cowboy FANS attempt to tear down the game of Aaron Rodgers after he was named league MVP. There's a thread on the board with a study claiming the Cowboys have the best fans they clearly have the most delusional FANS.

 

[JohnsKey19]

The only thing working against Romo is playoff success. As far as playing the QB position during the regular season, Romo is as good as anyone in this era. You cannot dispute the numbers.

Eli has 2 rings. Give him credit. But there is no way his performance as a QB week in and week out ranks him as a top 10 QB.

The elite passers in this league are Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Romo, Brees, Big Ben and Rivers. In no particular order....

 

[KJJ]

Well...we all know how bad Cutler's career had been...don't we?
(Credit to Hos for finding this recently)

What that shows is how misleading stats can be it goes back to what most say stats don't tell you the whole story. The big difference between the two is Eli has been resilient and Cutler hasn't. Both have suffered a number of turnovers but Eli has been able to bounce back from them. Turning the ball over and sulking on the bench looking hung over all the time isn't going to inspire a team and it ended up being Cutlers downfall. Eli suffered an amazing 34 turnovers in 07 and somehow bounced back from that to play virtually mistake free in the playoffs and SB. Cutler isn't a leader and it caught up with him. If you're going to be a QB in the NFL you have to be able to dust yourself off and battle back from adversity and Eli has done that during his career and Cutler hasn't. In the playoffs is where Eli clearly separated himself from Cutler.

 

[KJJ]

The only thing working against Romo is playoff success. As far as playing the QB position during the regular season, Romo is as good as anyone in this era. You cannot dispute the numbers.

Eli has 2 rings. Give him credit. But there is no way his performance as a QB week in and week out ranks him as a top 10 QB.

The elite passers in this league are Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Romo, Brees, Big Ben and Rivers. In no particular order....

During the regular season Romo has been as good/consistent as anyone but it's put more scrutiny on his playoff/elimination game performances which haven't measured up as well and that's where he's drawn most of his criticism.

 

[DogFace]

This guy can converse with about 5 people on here. Be careful not to hurt his feelings.

 

[Slashar00]

1. Rodgers
2. Luck
3. Brady
4. Romo
5. Big Ben
6. Peyton
7. Brees
8. Wilson
9. Ryan
10. Rivers
11. Eli

Luck is actually amazing because he plays on a bad football team: below average Offensive Line, below average defense, bad running game. They don't even get close to the playoffs without him. He carries that team, and he's barely been in the league.

Wilson is a fantastic QB who will only get better. He does what his team needs him to do, and he has had no receiving weapons to pad his passing stats. Ranking him #4 in the league is a stretch though. He should be in the bottom half of the top 10.

Brees should be on this list instead of Eli, but Eli is making a comeback.

Romo at #4 or #5 sounds right to me. Maybe Big Ben at #4. Right now, Big Ben and Romo are pretty much at the same level. Brady is just one step ahead of them.

Edit: I lowered Peyton since we're talking about next year and he will continue to drop off.