Yet Another QB Ranking - But This One Shocked Me Twice

KJJ said:
What that shows is how misleading stats can be it goes back to what most say stats don't tell you the whole story. The big difference between the two is Eli has been resilient and Cutler hasn't. Both have suffered a number of turnovers but Eli has been able to bounce back from them. Turning the ball over and sulking on the bench looking hung over all the time isn't going to inspire a team and it ended up being Cutlers downfall. Eli suffered an amazing 34 turnovers in 07 and somehow bounced back from that to play virtually mistake free in the playoffs and SB. Cutler isn't a leader and it caught up with him. If you're going to be a QB in the NFL you have to be able to dust yourself off and battle back from adversity and Eli has done that during his career and Cutler hasn't. In the playoffs is where Eli clearly separated himself from Cutler.
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I would tend to agree with this - contextually though their statistical comparison is pretty eye opening.
 
DandyDon1722 said:
I would tend to agree with this - contextually though their statistical comparison is pretty eye opening.
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I'm sure you could go through the history of the league and find decent QBs who had uneventful careers that matched up favorably statistically with QBs during their era who had solid careers and won one or more championships.
 
KJJ said:
Almost as big as these 8 million followers I suppose to have. :p
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Out of respect, which you don't seem to have much of, I will not post your little PM rant in public! It was you that claimed the 8 million plus followers!

Of course, if I did, you would deny any and everything about that...because you are never wrong!

Pathetic...
 
5Stars said:
Out of respect, which you don't seem to have much of, I will not post your little PM rant in public! It was you that claimed the 8 million plus followers!

Of course, if I did, you would deny any and everything about that...because you are never wrong!

Pathetic...
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I feel sorry for this guy. He's obviously a miserable person and admittedly comes here just to antagonize. The definition of a troll.
 
I was under the impression this list was just taking into account the 2014 season but it appears to be taking in the entire careers of these QB's which makes some of the rankings ridiculous. All these rankings are based on opinion which is why it's silly to get upset over them. When you click on each QB they talk about what some have accomplished up to this point in their careers but they appear to have dropped Peyton Manning who's had one of the greatest careers ever down to 6th based on his performance last season. This is the best ranking I've seen for Romo being listed ahead of 3 QB's who've won 4 SB's between them.
 
itsaboat said:
Luck at 2 and Wilson at 4 and Eli at 7:facepalm:
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This ranking appears to be based off these QB's careers so 7 makes sense for Eli but 2 for Luck and 4 for Wilson is too high. They talk about Luck being the air apparent to Rodgers so they're projecting where he'll be in a few years. He's being ranked off his potential and although he's been very good his first 3 seasons he isn't the 2nd best QB in the game and certainly isn't better than Tom Brady. Based on what Wilson has accomplished his 3 seasons I wouldn't put him at 4 but I agree he should be ranked ahead of Romo. You can't just go by passing numbers with these rankings you have to look at playoff wins and SB's. After only 3 seasons Wilson has a 6-2 playoff record and has led Seattle to back to back SB's winning one of them. Although he hasn't put up big passing numbers his rushing totals help make up for it. His TD to turnover ratio during the regular season is 83-34 and his career passer rating is 98.6. In his 8 playoff games he has a 14 to 6 TD to turnover ratio and his passer rating is 97.8.
 
5Stars said:
Out of respect, which you don't seem to have much of, I will not post your little PM rant in public! It was you that claimed the 8 million plus followers!

Of course, if I did, you would deny any and everything about that...because you are never wrong!

Pathetic...
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Did you take KJJ's stapler?
 
Toruk_Makto said:
Luck at number 2 is a bigger joke than Romo not being top 10 in a lot of lists.
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The lists that have Romo outside the top 10 still see the bobbled snap in Seattle in 06 and the Romo who couldn't beat a one legged RG3 in 2012 with the NFC East on the line and couldn't beat a one legged Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs last season. For many Romo is what he is a good statistical QB but that's it. The young guns like Luck and Wilson moving up ranking lists are pushing some of the older QB's like Romo out. This will be Romo's 10th season as a starter and it goes back to what many of us have said he needs a championship. I wouldn't put Luck at 2 no way is he better than Brady at this stage Brady is 4-0 vs Luck during the regular season and playoffs but he and Wilson are getting a lot of love due to what both have accomplished in such a short period. Luck did beat Peyton Manning in the playoffs on the road in Denver last season. Beating an elite QB in the playoffs puts a big feather in any QB's cap.

Wilson beat Peyton Manning in a SB during an MVP season for Manning in which he broke several NFL passing records. He also beat Drew Brees in the playoffs in 2013 and he beat Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs last season during an MVP season for Rodgers. Wilson came within one play of beating Brady in a SB. Wilson has also beaten a couple of the other young guns in Kap and Newton in the playoffs so it's easy to see why he's on these lists. It's to the point with Romo that everyone knows what to expect with him a very good statistical season but little to no playoff success. Although Romo has had opportunities he hasn't beaten any of the big guns in playoff/elimination games. It's getting down to now or never for Romo his game will decline at some point.
 
KJJ said:
The lists that have Romo outside the top 10 still see the bobbled snap in Seattle in 06 and the Romo who couldn't beat a one legged RG3 in 2012 with the NFC East on the line and couldn't beat a one legged Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs last season. For many Romo is what he is a good statistical QB but that's it. The young guns like Luck and Wilson moving up ranking lists are pushing some of the older QB's like Romo out. This will be Romo's 10th season as a starter and it goes back to what many of us have said he needs a championship. I wouldn't put Luck at 2 no way is he better than Brady at this stage Brady is 4-0 vs Luck during the regular season and playoffs but he and Wilson are getting a lot of love due to what both have accomplished in such a short period. Luck did beat Peyton Manning in the playoffs on the road in Denver last season. Beating an elite QB in the playoffs puts a big feather in any QB's cap.

Wilson beat Peyton Manning in a SB during an MVP season for Manning in which he broke several NFL passing records. He also beat Drew Brees in the playoffs in 2013 and he beat Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs last season during an MVP season for Rodgers. Wilson came within one play of beating Brady in a SB. Wilson has also beaten a couple of the other young guns in Kap and Newton in the playoffs so it's easy to see why he's on these lists. It's to the point with Romo that everyone knows what to expect with him a very good statistical season but little to no playoff success. Although Romo has had opportunities he hasn't beaten any of the big guns in playoff/elimination games. It's getting down to now or never for Romo his game will decline at some point.
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There you go with your tennis and golf analogies again.

You truly have to be one the least knowledgeable about the TEAM aspect of football that I've ever seen. The average 10 year old gets this better than you do. That is NOT an insult, it is just fact.
 
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DFWJC said:
There you go with your tennis and golf analogies again.

You truly have to be one the least knowledgeable about the TEAM aspect of football that I've ever seen. The average 10 year old gets this better than you do. That is NOT an insult, it is just fact.
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I bet he has never been in a locker room or played any organized sport at all. His fixation on Romo is fascinating! What is Romo supposed to do? Go and sack Rodgers?
 
KJJ said:
The lists that have Romo outside the top 10 still see the bobbled snap in Seattle in 06 and the Romo who couldn't beat a one legged RG3 in 2012 with the NFC East on the line and couldn't beat a one legged Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs last season. For many Romo is what he is a good statistical QB but that's it. The young guns like Luck and Wilson moving up ranking lists are pushing some of the older QB's like Romo out. This will be Romo's 10th season as a starter and it goes back to what many of us have said he needs a championship. I wouldn't put Luck at 2 no way is he better than Brady at this stage Brady is 4-0 vs Luck during the regular season and playoffs but he and Wilson are getting a lot of love due to what both have accomplished in such a short period. Luck did beat Peyton Manning in the playoffs on the road in Denver last season. Beating an elite QB in the playoffs puts a big feather in any QB's cap.

Wilson beat Peyton Manning in a SB during an MVP season for Manning in which he broke several NFL passing records. He also beat Drew Brees in the playoffs in 2013 and he beat Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs last season during an MVP season for Rodgers. Wilson came within one play of beating Brady in a SB. Wilson has also beaten a couple of the other young guns in Kap and Newton in the playoffs so it's easy to see why he's on these lists. It's to the point with Romo that everyone knows what to expect with him a very good statistical season but little to no playoff success. Although Romo has had opportunities he hasn't beaten any of the big guns in playoff/elimination games. It's getting down to now or never for Romo his game will decline at some point.
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Oh you're one of those people. A lot of "this qb beat that qb." When in reality it's "this team beat that team."

I dislike talking football with those people. They don't get it.
 
DFWJC said:
There you go with your tennis and golf analogies again.

You truly have to be one the least knowledgeable about the TEAM aspect of football that I've ever seen. The average 10 year old gets this better than you do. That is NOT an insult, it is just fact.
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Didn't even see your post before I responded. You hit the nail on the head here.
 
Toruk_Makto said:
Oh you're one of those people. A lot of "this qb beat that qb." When in reality it's "this team beat that team."

I dislike talking football with those people. They don't get it.
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I'm not one of those who would put Romo outside the top 10 so knock off the agenda and read what I said. THOSE who would put Romo outside the top 10 would have to see him in a very negative way. I dislike talking football with people who twist my comments to fit an agenda.
 
KJJ said:
I'm not one of those who would put Romo outside the top 10 so knock off the agenda and read what I said. THOSE who would put Romo outside the top 10 would have to see him in a very negative way. I dislike talking football with people who twist my comments to fit an agenda.
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lmao
 
Toruk_Makto said:
Oh you're one of those people.
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If I'm one of those people go show me a list where I have Romo outside the top 10 or commented that he should be outside the top 10....good luck! lol
 
I think it's impossible to have this debate unless everyone understands what the debate is actually about. The article that started this debate is a ranking of the best QBs for RIGHT NOW. It is not a ranking of the best QBs of the 2014 season because it's pretty obvious that Romo had the second best season last year. Furthermore, this ranking is not about who has had the best career thus far. Otherwise, a person would have to be an idiot not to have Peyton and Brady in the top two spots.

But this list is about RIGHT NOW. Peyton is an old man. Brady is also getting old, faces a suspension, but continues to play at a high level. Meanwhile, Luck hasn't even reached his prime yet; he's entering it now. His upside is ridiculous. Eli has started to grow in his offense after a bad start last year. He also has upside, but I still rank him at 11. Romo and Big Ben both have injury and age concerns, but they're both excellent QBs playing in excellent offenses.
 
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