You don't sign the guy that's 2-5 in the playoffs to 60 mill a year

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Not defending Dak but this entire team gets curb stomped in the playoffs.

How much do you pay Micah? Would a strip sack or two have come in handy against the Packers? How much do you pay Lamb? He doesn't drop that pass on Dallas' first drive, maybe it's a tie game. How much do you pay Bland eventually? How many Packers receivers were running free that afternoon?

As much as we want to make Dak's 2-5 playoff record the issue, the bottom line is he is only part of the problem. Changing quarterbacks does not change the fundamental issues that have been in play here since 1996. Really, since 1994 when Jimmy Johnson left, but the Cowboys he built were so talented they still won one more Super Bowl without him before it all crumbled down.
:hammer:Correct over the last 28 years the Dallas Cowboys have had dozens and dozens of great players make big giant contracts and not deliver in the big games it seems like only the quarterbacks get ripped apart... I mean by the tone of the original poster and people around here if you can't pay your second team all pro second MVP voting a player at the quarterback position has never been part of a losing season when healthy been the playoffs 5 out of the last eight seasons then that means you have to pretty much trade all the other guys on this team up for contracts if you truly wanna blow it up get all you can for lamb digs and Parsons... If you truly wanna put the blame put it where it belongs on the entire team and if you're worried about big deals to people not delivering that means all your stars need to go because they didn't show up and any of these playoff games that we have lost we have not had a good run game it's almost nonexistent the offensive line is not physical enough and the defense at least three of those losses that Prescott's been involved and it's been the defense...

So add in coaching and game plans,​
Prescott and Romo have never ever had a playoff team that Roger and Troy had heck you can add in Danny white who seems to get a lot of credit around here you realize he has an upside down touchdown interception ratio in the playoffs ? it close to even in the regular season, he wasn't that good ,he was on a great team,​
they had a great run game, a great offensive line, great defense that earned the moniker doomsday defenses, some of the best coaches to ever be assembled ,and yet those quarterbacks were never asked to carry a team in the playoffs, they literally showed up when it was time to play AS A TEAM...​
 

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I don't have a problem with people wanting to move on from Dak, so long as they are realistic. Moving on from Dak could mean years of losing, which also means that guys like Ceedee and Micah maybe should be traded as well.

So sure, if that's what you want, good for you. But I'm afraid most people are not realistic about that.
Exactly, you can't be a hypocrite,

if you want to get rid of a player because you don't believe he earns a big contract in the biggest moments, then you need to get rid of them all and get every asset and draft pick you can get to start rebuilding and it starts at quarterback so you need to trade Trayvon diggs, lamb, and yes Michael Parsons; get all you can for them go after your next quarterback of the future and start this whole process over again.... If people say they don't have a problem with it but I guarantee if we truly are a below average team the next five years,​
you know where you can really say they suck and they're not even getting to the playoffs there's going to be some regrets around here, hey that might be our future it's five years of losing, really losing not losing in the playoffs, actual being losers...​
not a team that's won 36 games, two division titles, the playoffs three straight years over the last three years but really Prescott's never been part of a losing team when he's healthy and he's been to the playoffs 5 out of eight seasons but yeah let's reboot let's start over and get rid of everyone at least we can win the off- season& free agency because I believe that's what this place really wants they want change for the sake of change they want something fresh in the offseason...lmao :facepalm::popcorn::rolleyes:
 

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I think Dak took the heart out of them, Those 2 int’s don’t happen and it’s 14 - 7 at half time. Don’t blame Dak for everything but he was the major contributor when he failed to show up again. MM he’s a disgrace that yet again had a team especially the O unprepared with had no clue what to do. Sad
everyone wants to blame the entire thing on Dak. and that's just not the case. was Dak at fault? yes. but he was not alone.
what about the very first GB drive? they had one 3rd down the whole time. converted. held the ball and scored easily. Dak hadn't even got the ball as yet. What happened to the dominant defense. again, one 3rd down the entire drive and that was inside the 10. and lets say we get on and not score (which is what happend). GBcome out and score again!!!. its only first freaking quarter.... is the mentality of this team so weak that a little adversity just blows them up!? that's not a Dak issue. that's a team culture issue.

its convenient to want to blame one player for an entire organizational failure. but facts are that this was more than Dak screwing up. Quinn sucked in this game. we played man all year, yet we went zone on this most important game of the year and they found soft spots all game long. further, he didn't adjust back. why not? and Love said it after the season in Parsons podcast. we looked at your LBs and salivated at running at you guys....
 

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Which is fine and dair to say...however, Dak has routinely choked/sucked/gagged/spit the bit in the playoffs. This isn't new or even unexpected from him. Yeah nobody had a good game, but until they pulled the starters he was literally lost/confused/shaky/scared out there...per the usual. People want to say he's the leader, well he led and the team followed.
ok, then he sucks. now what? people just complain and nobody has offered anything on how this team can be better? complaining ain't going to solve the problem. what are the alternatives for us to get better. people complained about Salary being too high and we can't sign FAs. then what happened during the first 4 years that he was on a 4th round rookie contract? why hasn't this organization addressed the QB issue?

this is beyond Dak. who is average. this is the Cowboys just sucking as an NFL team. this is 29 years running issue.

its so easy to just want to pile it on one person. that person has faults. he is what he is. look at SF. they went to overtime in superbowl with purdy who is nothing special. eagles played in superbowl with Hurts who obviously is limited. why can't jerry jones do it with a limited QB?

the only answer everyone keeps giving is look at Mahomes. we want Mahomes. well, then find one. where? there is Mahomes. there is Burrows. then there is 30 other QBs. there has to be a better answer than I don't like Dak.
 

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everyone wants to blame the entire thing on Dak. and that's just not the case. was Dak at fault? yes. but he was not alone.
what about the very first GB drive? they had one 3rd down the whole time. converted. held the ball and scored easily. Dak hadn't even got the ball as yet. What happened to the dominant defense. again, one 3rd down the entire drive and that was inside the 10. and lets say we get on and not score (which is what happend). GBcome out and score again!!!. its only first freaking quarter.... is the mentality of this team so weak that a little adversity just blows them up!? that's not a Dak issue. that's a team culture issue.

its convenient to want to blame one player for an entire organizational failure. but facts are that this was more than Dak screwing up. Quinn sucked in this game. we played man all year, yet we went zone on this most important game of the year and they found soft spots all game long. further, he didn't adjust back. why not? and Love said it after the season in Parsons podcast. we looked at your LBs and salivated at running at you guys....
Don’t disagree and there are 2 sides of the ball, D wasn’t good but doing nothing the whole first half and spotting 13 points to GB means the score could have been 14-7 at half with Dallas getting the ball back, when you’re in a dog fight you have to keep fighting and the d didn’t fight enough and the O didn’t show up until the 2nd string GB D came in. If this was a back and forth game between the offenses and they lost, that happens and unfortunately that is Daks calling card in the playoffs so yes not showing up until 6 minutes to play that’s on Dak garbage time and stats make it look close but it was a embarrassing loss for both sides of the ball and Dak and MM are the main characters responsible for the debacle
 

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At least he got to the playoffs, no without Dak.
Steelers got to the playoffs with 3 different QBs that add up to 0 QBs. Should they have paid one of them 60 million per year? And they did it in the best division in football.
 

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You don’t throw good money after bad money. You also don’t double-down after eight years of playoff failure. I know that Dak is only part of the problem and is a solid QB for the most part but he isn’t worth that kind of upcoming contract. To be fair, I don’t think any QB, aside from Pat, can get this team to a SB under the big top.

It is time for a new QB search which will probably be horrible for a bit but start churning until Dallas hits on one. This isn’t 25 years ago, many teams have moved on and found a good starter rather quickly through FA or the draft. I am confident that they can find a QB who can deliver double digit wins and a first round playoff loss for a fraction of the cost of Dak.

But, this is Jerry and spawn, so I have no idea what their plan is or even if they have one :facepalm:
 

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Steelers got to the playoffs with 3 different QBs that add up to 0 QBs. Should they have paid one of them 60 million per year? And they did it in the best division in football.
Rush as QB 7-10
Lance as QB 4-13
 

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Not defending Dak, but this is not how the market works.

Lamar Jackson got 240 million, his playoff record is 1-3

Justin Herbert got 260 million, his playoff record is 0-1

These are just two examples, there are more. Like I said, I’m not defending Dak but the idea that teams don’t pay Qbs big contracts unless they are winning playoff games is just not true.
there's losing, then there's losing while being rode hard and put up wet.
 

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Rush as QB 7-10
Lance as QB 4-13
Dak as QB 9 or 10 wins tops (we aren't winning 12, too many holes), maybe or maybe not playoffs, eliminated in WC round. What does that accomplish exactly? We have 5 Super Bowls in the past. Are we going for just good enough?

Jimmy Johnson said it's worst to be stuck in the middle, which we are.

Actually I've seen the schedule unless we sweep Washington and the Giants and split with Philly, we probably won't have a winning record. Our out of division schedule is BRUTAL.
 

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Not defending Dak, but this is not how the market works.

Lamar Jackson got 240 million, his playoff record is 1-3

Justin Herbert got 260 million, his playoff record is 0-1

These are just two examples, there are more. Like I said, I’m not defending Dak but the idea that teams don’t pay Qbs big contracts unless they are winning playoff games is just not true.
Lamar Jackson 27 years old
Justin Herbert 26 years old
Dak will be 31 by the time the season starts.

Historically the only QBs that won their first Super Bowl with the team that drafted them that were the same age or older as Dak were Phil Simms (31) and John Elway (37) who went to 3 in his 20's but lost them all. We're fighting history, and this team is not a Super Bowl team.
 

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jerry will pay him, no matter his record.
jerry just said he was a SB caliber qb.
 

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how much would you sign him to? Atlanta just paid 45M for a 35 year old QB, with a 1-4 playoff record. so that's at least where it starts.
I wouldn’t resign him. You can’t have a qb making 25 percent of your cap if he’s not elite. The market overpaid for Watson and they tanked one year and got a better QB.
 

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Lamar Jackson 27 years old
Justin Herbert 26 years old
Dak will be 31 by the time the season starts.

Historically the only QBs that won their first Super Bowl with the team that drafted them that were the same age or older as Dak were Phil Simms (31) and John Elway (37) who went to 3 in his 20's but lost them all. We're fighting history, and this team is not a Super Bowl team.
Now that is a legitimate argument to make, factoring Dak's age into the equation.
 

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everyone wants to blame the entire thing on Dak. and that's just not the case. was Dak at fault? yes. but he was not alone.
what about the very first GB drive? they had one 3rd down the whole time. converted. held the ball and scored easily. Dak hadn't even got the ball as yet. What happened to the dominant defense. again, one 3rd down the entire drive and that was inside the 10. and lets say we get on and not score (which is what happend). GBcome out and score again!!!. its only first freaking quarter.... is the mentality of this team so weak that a little adversity just blows them up!? that's not a Dak issue. that's a team culture issue.

its convenient to want to blame one player for an entire organizational failure. but facts are that this was more than Dak screwing up. Quinn sucked in this game. we played man all year, yet we went zone on this most important game of the year and they found soft spots all game long. further, he didn't adjust back. why not? and Love said it after the season in Parsons podcast. we looked at your LBs and salivated at running at you guys....
You do realize he had another pick that was flat dropped right?
 

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The heart was taken out the first drive of the game. SMH. The defense gave up 3 straight touchdowns to start the second half too.
The defense gave up 6 TDs in the first 7 possessions for Green Bay. In the entire history of the playoffs, nobody has won from that position. Through those 7 possessions Love had a perfect passer rating and the only reason it was only 6 TDs in 7 possessions is because the starters were pulled at that point. When you have a defensive performance like that nothing else really matters to me because at that point you are not winning the game.
 

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Dak as QB 9 or 10 wins tops (we aren't winning 12, too many holes), maybe or maybe not playoffs, eliminated in WC round. What does that accomplish exactly? We have 5 Super Bowls in the past. Are we going for just good enough?

Jimmy Johnson said it's worst to be stuck in the middle, which we are.

Actually I've seen the schedule unless we sweep Washington and the Giants and split with Philly, we probably won't have a winning record. Our out of division schedule is BRUTAL.
Are we going for just good enough?.....yes jerry wants to keep the team relevant.
But I really have no idea what he is trying for this season, tank, SB, decent record, who knows.

The schedule is the toughest in long time.
I think wash may be good enough to get in playoffs, and beat dallas once.

Long way off, but dallas appears like a weak team in disarray at this point.
 

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And how the No Names and Giants will probably still be bad!! If we can sweep them, we can hang around the rim!!
One thing about the No Names is now they have DQ and DQ causes TO’s. He also knows Dak pretty well and how to attack him. The Commanders will not be easy this year because of this IMO.
 
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