You Want Garrett Fired

gjkoeppen

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Naw lets keep him around a few more years, too many arrogant cowboys fans think we are super bowl bound every year. "best talent in the NFL, we don't have any talent" lmao...

Lets see the Cowboys have the back that led the league 2 out of the last 3 years, when healthy one of the better O-line in the league, one of the best receivers in the league, a future HOF TE, the offensive rookie of the year in 2016 and that's just on offense but according to you the Cowboys don't have any talent.
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Lets see the Cowboys have the back that led the league 2 out of the last 3 years, when healthy one of the better O-line in the league, one of the best receivers in the league, a future HOF TE, the offensive rookie of the year in 2016 and that's just on offense but according to you the Cowboys don't have any talent.
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lmao, I guess you can't see the sarcasm. lmao.
 

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Garrett says that we will 'try' to win against our nfce rivals,
nothing is guaranteed.

while eagles pederson guarantees a win against his bitter rival .
 

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Garrett says that we will 'try' to win against our nfce rivals,
nothing is guaranteed.

while eagles pederson guarantees a win against his bitter rival .
Garrett is not giving the Eagles bulletin board material to rally their defense, but Pederson is giving the Cowboys bulletin board material to provoke our defense.
 

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Most likely if we have a disappointing season Jerry will only extend Garrett 1 year. Maybe 2. But there wont be a long term deal like last time.

The frustration and criticism will continue. Jerry’s response will be he still wants to see more success before inking him long term while not warranting wholesale changes at this time.

Pending where we have the most criticism on offense or defense we could see some tweaks in asst coaches.
 

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I read thru all of these . I’d conclude Dallas East has a good understanding of our situation and dilemma Jerry’s “ socks to jocks” style presents.

And attempted to present to those who don’t have a full grasp for the levity of the situation and challenges Jerry’s ways handicaps football operations.

I’d only add that all fans appear to mostly understand the changes that need to be made but not all understand why Jerry is reluctant to make them.
 

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Most likely if we have a disappointing season Jerry will only extend Garrett 1 year. Maybe 2. But there wont be a long term deal like last time.

The frustration and criticism will continue. Jerry’s response will be he still wants to see more success before inking him long term while not warranting wholesale changes at this time.

Pending where we have the most criticism on offense or defense we could see some tweaks in asst coaches.
That's actually what I think happens pending a total collapse. he will use injuries as an excuse to keep Garrett.
 

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12 pgs in its time for me to take over again...



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Do you have any idea how foolish you sound? You're talking about a future HOF tight end. To listen to your babble you would think that EVERY Super Bowl winning team has the best TE corp in the league every year. Here's a little football 101 for you. Some teams have TE's that are good blockers and then have one that may be better at receiving. Witten is BOTH a good blocker AND receiver. A TE catching 20, 30, 40 yard TD passes every game IS NOT unrealistic. Witten has spent a career being the safety valve getting those 3 and 6,7, 8 yard 1st down catches moving the sticks. To continue to show your foolishness many times Witten on passing downs chip block before he does his rout which helps allow romo or now Prescott that instant more to work with. IF the Cowboys were to take Witten out and do your dual slot receivers this is what will happen. The defense will see that there will no extra help for Prescott and the defense will do stunts that this line seems to have a problem picking up as well as blitz a LB and Prescott is either sacked or rushed into an errant pass. This season while having both Witten and Jarwin in at the same time Jarwin has gotten open down the middle seam and has gotten some 20 and 30 yard catches. Just face it you know extremely little about what your TRYING to talk about.
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I know exactly what Im talking about. Im not doubting any of Wittens value now or throughout his career.

What Im saying is #82 doesnt have the skillsets to be an everydown dominant receiver on every passing down. Hes a checkdown receiver with very little deep ball, scoring, or big play capability or racs, but on the rarest of occasions against bad teams. He doesnt have the 50/50 jump ball skills or the racs to be a dominant Scoring threat.

We shoulda been substituting with better rbs and wrs on 3rd and 10, 15, or 20 for almost a century. The Cowboys passing scheme is 100% 11 or 12 personell and he was the leader of this never changing scheme and never came off the field but on the rarest of occasions.

No other te has ever played the # of snaps he has. Especially on passing downs. If its 3rd and 15 or 3rd and 20 or you need to score he simply doesnt have the skillsets to make those plays consistent enough to warrant his involvement on those downs or distances. You dont need a short yardage checkdown receiver or safety valve receiver to chip block on 3rd and 10-15-20. You need a guy that can pick up the 20 yards. That chip block is unnecessary when youre drawing double and triple teams lol.

Witten has Never been a consistent deep ball receiver. He doesnt have the go up and get a ball skills, speed, or rac skills to be an everydown receiver. He cant carry the benchmark scoring averages to be an everydown receiver.

Its not #82s fault. He is what he is. Its Garretts fault because he doesnt substitute and take these tes off the field on alot of the passing plays. Its a coaching problem, scheme problem, and a snapcount allocation problem. Its not #82s fault his coach is ignorant and leaves him out there on 3rd and 20 when he doesnt have the deep ball skillsets to make those kind of plays consistently based upon his skillsets and stats. Here is a coach that made an everydown player/receiver out of Geoff Swaim even though he only had 1 td all year playing every snap.

The talent and skillset of the players based upon down and distance trumps scheme on every team in the NFL except the Cowboys. Our offense would be better if they would bench these tes on alot of our 3rd down passing plays and utilize players who are more capable at the down and distance and thats about 7-8 yards with these short baller tes.
If you march down the field with one less Scoring threat on every passing play youre simply gonna score less. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

#82 hasnt earned the right to be on the field on 3rd and 20 because he never has converted any of those plays in his entire career and his coach is pure ignorant to keep putting him out there to fail. He only has 1 playoff td in his entire career and hes not even drawing the top defenders or double coverages in a decade. He played all the plays and RAN ALL THOSE ROUTES, he JUST COULDNT MAKE THE PLAYS AT THAT LEVEL WHEN IT MATTERS.
 
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That's actually what I think happens pending a total collapse. he will use injuries as an excuse to keep Garrett.
He’ll use whatever he sees fit. Damage Control 101 is his best strength. He can manage a Dumpster Fire like a politician.

And will find scapegoat or sacrificial lamb to offer up to Lynch Mob.

Anything but give up his passion to be a Football Guy and face of the Cowboys.

There’s only room for 1 Ego in Big D.
 

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When the Coach has 2 tes playing on every passing snap and they have 4 tds all year from the entire te core than the coach is simply IGNORANT. IF WE HAD EARL CAMPBELL ON OUR ROSTER W ZEKE THE COWBOYS WOULD STILL USE A TE ON EVERY PASSING PLAY AND NEVER GET THE BEST 6 SKILLED PLAYERS ON THE FIELD AT ONE TIME.

THATS ALL GARRETT HAS TO CHANGE AND HE'LL WIN SOMETHING. WE DONT NEED ANY SKILLED PLAYERS PLAYING EVERY PASSING SNAP IF THEY CANT PRODUCE MINIMUM BENCHMARKS OR SCORE AGAINST ANY GOOD TEAMS. ITS NOT EVERYBODY ELSES JOB TO SCORE POINTS AND MAKE BIG PLAYS. THESE TES ARE JUST AS RESPONSIBLE AND THEY DONT CARRY THEIR WEIGHT WHEN THE GAME OR SEASON IS ON THE LINE AND ITS UP TO THE PUPPET TO GET THEM OFF THE FIELD AND PUT THE BEST 6 SKILLED PLAYERS ON THE FIELD ON THOSE CRITICAL PLAYS.
 
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I know exactly what Im talking about. Im not doubting any of Wittens value now or throughout his career.

What Im saying is #82 doesnt have the skillsets to be an everydown dominant receiver on every passing down. Hes a checkdown receiver with very little deep ball, scoring, or big play capability or racs, but on the rarest of occasions against bad teams. He doesnt have the 50/50 jump ball skills or the racs to be a dominant Scoring threat.

We shoulda been substituting with better rbs and wrs on 3rd and 10, 15, or 20 for almost a century. The Cowboys passing scheme is 100% 11 or 12 personell and he was the leader of this never changing scheme and never came off the field but on the rarest of occasions.

No other te has ever played the # of snaps he has. Especially on passing downs. If its 3rd and 15 or 3rd and 20 or you need to score he simply doesnt have the skillsets to make those plays consistent enough to warrant his involvement on those downs or distances. You dont need a short yardage checkdown receiver or safety valve receiver to chip block on 3rd and 10-15-20. You need a guy that can pick up the 20 yards. That chip block is unnecessary when youre drawing double and triple teams lol.

Witten has Never been a consistent deep ball receiver. He doesnt have the go up and get a ball skills, speed, or rac skills to be an everydown receiver. He cant carry the benchmark scoring averages to be an everydown receiver.

Its not #82s fault. He is what he is. Its Garretts fault because he doesnt substitute and take these tes off the field on alot of the passing plays. Its a coaching problem, scheme problem, and a snapcount allocation problem. Its not #82s fault his coach is ignorant and leaves him out there on 3rd and 20 when he doesnt have the deep ball skillsets to make those kind of plays consistently based upon his skillsets and stats. Here is a coach that made an everydown player/receiver out of Geoff Swaim even though he only had 1 td all year playing every snap.

The talent and skillset of the players based upon down and distance trumps scheme on every team in the NFL except the Cowboys. Our offense would be better if they would bench these tes on alot of our 3rd down passing plays and utilize players who are more capable at the down and distance and thats about 7-8 yards with these short baller tes.
If you march down the field with one less Scoring threat on every passing play youre simply gonna score less. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

#82 hasnt earned the right to be on the field on 3rd and 20 because he never has converted any of those plays in his entire career and his coach is pure ignorant to keep putting him out there to fail. He only has 1 playoff td in his entire career and hes not even drawing the top defenders or double coverages in a decade. He played all the plays and RAN ALL THOSE ROUTES, he JUST COULDNT MAKE THE PLAYS AT THAT LEVEL WHEN IT MATTERS.

If you watched as much as you imply you do then you would know that on 3rd and long Witten usually stay in and helps block because defense usually send more on those downs. Often there is no back so there is 4 receivers out and Witten stays in and blocks.and sometimes if the QB, whether Romo or Prescott has to start to move around Witten will then move out because by that time the receivers have run out the defenders. Also for someone you claim never has picked up a 1st down on 10, 15, 20 yard 3rd downs, he picked up a 3rd and 12 and on another play when it was 2nd and 15 he got 13 and Elliott on the next play got the 1st just last night. You're just sour grapes because the Cowboys don't to the 3 and 4 receivers throwing every down. If it bothers you so much find another team to root for.
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If you watched as much as you imply you do then you would know that on 3rd and long Witten usually stay in and helps block because defense usually send more on those downs. Often there is no back so there is 4 receivers out and Witten stays in and blocks.and sometimes if the QB, whether Romo or Prescott has to start to move around Witten will then move out because by that time the receivers have run out the defenders. Also for someone you claim never has picked up a 1st down on 10, 15, 20 yard 3rd downs, he picked up a 3rd and 12 and on another play when it was 2nd and 15 he got 13 and Elliott on the next play got the 1st just last night. You're just sour grapes because the Cowboys don't to the 3 and 4 receivers throwing every down. If it bothers you so much find another team to root for.
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If you watched as much as you imply you do then you would know that on 3rd and long Witten usually stay in and helps block because defense usually send more on those downs. Often there is no back so there is 4 receivers out and Witten stays in and blocks.and sometimes if the QB, whether Romo or Prescott has to start to move around Witten will then move out because by that time the receivers have run out the defenders. Also for someone you claim never has picked up a 1st down on 10, 15, 20 yard 3rd downs, he picked up a 3rd and 12 and on another play when it was 2nd and 15 he got 13 and Elliott on the next play got the 1st just last night. You're just sour grapes because the Cowboys don't to the 3 and 4 receivers throwing every down. If it bothers you so much find another team to root for.
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Like I said this is an everydown te scheme and our tes are losers on paper every year and our coach is an idiot for leaving them out there on passing snaps to WEAKEN OUR PASSING OFFENSE. Witten is gonna retire with that 1 rinky dink playoff td for a whole career and ITS NOT BECAUSE HE HAD A BAD TEAM OR IS A BAD PLAYER. ITS BECAUSE HE SIMPLY CANT BEAT THE TOP DEFENDERS.

ITS BECAUSE HE HAS NO SPEED AND NO GO UP AND GET A BALL SKILLS. NO DEEP BALL SKILLSETS. NO RACS. HE HASNT DRAWN A DOUBLE TEAM OR TOP DEFENDER IN 7+ YEARS. HE SNEAKS OPEN FOR A FEW INSIGNIFICANT PLAYS EVERY GAME AND ON OCCASION HE'LL EVEN SCORE A 5 YARD TD IF ITS A SCRUB TEAM FROM OUR DIVISION AND THE DEFENDER FALLS DOWN AND BLOWS THE COVERAGE.

YES HE'LL CATCH ALMOST EVERY SINGLE NON PLAYOFF PASS THAT DOESNT WIN A GAME AS LONG AS HIS FEET DOESNT HAVE TO LEAVE THE GROUND. BUT HE IS BATTING ZERO FOR 16 YEARS AT THE PLAYOFF LEVEL AND AT THE END OF GAME LEVEL.

WHY IS HE BEING UTILIZED ON 3RD AND 20? IN THE RED ZONE? WHY IS HE BEING UTILIZED ON EVERY PASSING SNAP? WHY IS HE BEING USED IN THE 2 MINUTE DRILL? ITS UP TO COACH CLAP TO DICTATE SNAPCOUNTS AND #82 DESERVES TO PLAY. BUT AS CLUTCH AS #82 IS AT BLOCKING AND CATCHING THE BALL AS YOU SUGGEST....HE STILL ONLY HAS 1 PLAYOFF TD ON HIS RESUME IN 16 YEARS PLAYING EVERY PASSING SNAP AND HAS NEVER BEEN CLUTCH AT SCORING OR GETTING OPEN WHEN THE GAME IS ON THE LINE.

I SAW ALL OF THE 3 YARD PASSES TO WITTEN ON 3RD AND 10 FROM ROMO AND ALL OF THE SEASON ENDING DO OR DIE PLAYS THAT ENDED OUR SEASON UNDER GARRETT USING WITTEN, HANNA, ESCOBAR, SWAIM, JARWIN, SCHULTZ, ETC AND IVE SEEN ALL OF THESE TES RUNNING ROUTES AND THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN THE PLAYCALL AND THE DEFENDER WHO COVERED THEM AND SHUT THEM DOWN COMPLETLY. NONE OF OUR TES GOT OPEN OR COULD CONVERT ON ANY OF THOSE SEASON ENDING PLAYS AND WE ALL CURSED CARROT TOP AND ROMO FOR THROWING THE BALL TO 82 SHORT OF THE STICKS ON ALL THE GAME AND SEASON ENDING PLAYS. ARE YOU SURE YOU WATCHED ALL OF THE ELIMATION GAMES AND THE PLAYS THAT ENDED EVERY SEASON?

WHY DO MOST TEAMS USE DUAL SLOT WRS AND DUAL RBS AT TIMES AND THE COWBOYS NEVER HAVE USED THOSE FORMATIONS UNDER GARRETTS REIGN OF PUPPETSHIP?

WOUlD You RATHER HAVE A GASSED #82 OUT THERE PLAYING EVERY Passing SNAP or faster fresher players like Austin or Pollard who may not have perfect technique but have MORE SKILLSETS AT MAKING BIG PLAYS AND SCORING MORE CONSISTENTLY ON FAR LESS OPORTUNITIES.

#82 is great at catching the ball and he is a great hof possession receiving te but Ive watched all of the season ending drives under Garrett and the team went home with a LOSS and its not because #82 wasnt targeted or because he didnt have an opportunity to run routes and was only blocking as you say. Its not because he was drawing the best defenders or double or triple teams like Gronk. Its not because the qb couldnt make the throw or he was wide open and the qb miss read the coverage.

Its simply because he couldnt get open and make the game winning plays because he has limited speed and skillsets as a receiver and is not a dominant receiver for every down and distance. #82 runs a good seam route and uses technique to find holes in the zone but hes just a one trick pony as a receiver. Its easy to predict and defense what #82 is gonna do because he has limited skillsets as a receiver.

#82 doesnt have the speed or power to play outside or out of the backfield and he has no 50/50 go up and get a ball skills or speed to be a dominant red zone stud or deep ball threat. #82 very seldom ever has caught any balls without having both feet on the ground and its hard to be a dominant stud receiving te or wr with no go up and get a ball skills like a Gronk. Technique is only gonna get you so far when youre up against a defender that is way faster, way stronger, can outjump you and get to the ball faster. Having Great Technique to get separation and get open is awesome and #82s catch rate is great but it takes him too many snapcounts and targets and games to score. Especially against the best teams.

#82 has had a great career and deserves hof status and accolades for his accomplishments. But its not because hes an unstoppable receiving threat who could outrun, out jump, or outscore the top tes or dominate the best defenders in the League with that same limited checkdown or seam route for 15 yrs. Youre just being silly if you think witten is a dominant receiving threat and scoring threat or is a big factor to our winning success only getting 25 yards a game as a receiver. Not playing all the passing snaps hes playing. His 25 yards per game is not detrimental to our wins and losses if it takes playing every passing snap to accomplish that especially if you cant score against good teams.
 
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