Zeke or Dak, what if we can only keep one

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  1. Jarv

    Jarv Loud pipes saves lives.

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    Do the 90's Cowboys win 3 championships with Bernie Kosar as QB and E. Smith RB? Do the 90's Cowboys win 3 championships with Troy at QB and B. Sanders RB?

    Just food for thought? I think the 90's defenses were the key also.
     
  2. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    He also has three seasons of heavy usage under his belt which means he could be done by age 28-29. We lean on Zeke a lot in the passing game and running game.
     
  3. Swagger

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    Prescott sounds like a running back not a quarterback...not even Michael Vick won the Superbowl...exactly.
     
  4. cern

    cern Well-Known Member

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    You make a good case for dakTruly it would be a hard choice. Hopefully one the team won't have to make.
    You are causing me to do something I don't very often . Change my opinion.
     
  5. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Comparing Dak to Vick is laughable. Dak is a pass first QB Vick always looked to run. Some Cowboy fans complain that Dak doesn’t run enough.
     
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  6. Hadenough

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    I'm keeping Zeke! This team right now is a QB away from being a dynasty. All the pieces are in place and if you have e to pay Dak 30 mil the wall will come crumbling down.
     
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  7. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    There's a list of HOF RBs that never even played in a SB from OJ Simpson to Eric Dickerson to Earl Campbell to Barry Sanders to Adrian Peterson because none had a QB as good as Dak. Everything was put on them to win games. Dak has played well enough to win all 3 playoffs games he's appeared in. He has a 95.7 career playoff passer rating. He's completed 64.8% of his passes in the playoffs and he has a 7-2 TD to turnover ratio in the playoffs. There's very little doubt in my mind we can win a championship with him at QB based on his 4th quarter comebacks and the way he's performed in the playoffs. It's the defense that's holding us back not him!
     
  8. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Get real! LOL The Cowboys aren't close to being a dynasty and it's the defense that keeps getting us beat in the playoffs. We're not going to get far until the defense starts stepping up in the playoffs. Tom Brady would have trouble winning with this HC and defense that never steps up in postseason.
     
  9. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    If so you'll be the first one whose opinion I've changed. At least you listen to reason.
     
  10. Whirlwin

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    I don't know how Common Sense comes into play here. Especially when it's easier to replace a running back than a quarterback
     
  11. Whirlwin

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    Is that because of the game plan. They don't want to expose this young defense. Or because they truly trust him before Prescott. That's my big question. What's the reasoning behind the game plan
     
  12. CowboysFaninHouston

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    that's not surprising nor unexpected. in fact it should be expected. No one has said Dak is bad. the argument is that he is average. and the question was which will you choose. Dak or Zeke. I chose zeke. I can point to quite a few games that Zeke put the team on his back and carried the team. there is a lot of those.

    with that said...the saints game last year is a bad example for Dak....you point to a single play as him putting the team on his back and that play seemingly why we beat the saints, when in fact it was the best defensive effort we have seen in a long time that won that game, putting a strangle hold on a top offense and top passing offense in the league. Dak had a lot of bad moments in that game...13 points!!! that's not putting the team on your back. winning with 13 points means you got lucky and defense bailed you out. fumbling inside the opponents 15!!! not good. really bad. specially in a close game like that....minimally you have to come away with 3 points and force them to score a TD, instead of giving them the opportunity to make one play and kick a field goal to tie....

    Dak has been carried given that consistently over the past three years, he has been middle of the pack in passing yards, he is asked to play it safe, let the running game do the work. we know without top level talent around him he has been very below average. without Zeke, he is 4-3, failing to score 10 points in 3 of those games. without Cooper he struggled mightily. he needs top 5 talent to surround him and when we have given him that, he has driven the bus and managed the games....

    btw, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. there are teams that have won without top level talent at QB. so its nothing wrong with saying, dak is average, middle of the pack. doesn't mean he doesn't make any plays. he does. all QBs do. even the 32nd ranked QB. its just the consistency, and your role in the offense. I am ok with that....

    and the question that you need to answer. given the same talent what would other QBs in the league be able to do?
     
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  13. MyUnderAppreciatedQB

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    We do, which is why given the choice I’ll definitely keep Zeke. But I don’t think Zeke is slowing down anytime soon. Reason being is he’s giving the contact a lot more than he’s receiving it.
     
  14. CowboysFaninHouston

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    is that a reference to the #4 pick in the draft? :rolleyes:
     
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  15. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Zeke ahead of Dak is not a surprise because common sense never prevails here. The brain trust here would rather have Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Fitzpatrick or some other castoff leading this team along with Zeke. They believe that gives the Cowboys the best chance to win a championship. LOL
     
  16. Whirlwin

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    I believe we passed the ball 20 more times last season than we ran the ball. I don't know the exact numbers but it's pretty darn close. He only had an average amount of attempts passing. Compared to most other teams so average you have to understand why I totally believe he can take this team on his shoulders and win a championship
     
  17. CowboysFaninHouston

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    you don't understand...when we win, its because Dak carried the team...when we lose, the offense failed...when dak makes one play in the game, its the play that won the game, when he has a bad play, he needs to get better talent around him because they are all trash....
     
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  18. jday

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    Dak...and it's not even close. This isn't about who is better at their perspective job but what position is harder to find.
     
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  19. CowboysFaninHouston

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    I can show you many QB plays, when they escape the clutches of defense and make huge plays.... there is a long long long list of those...but since you bring up the one play against the saints...how about the fumbles inside opponents 20 or Ints in the end zone he throws? I am sure that's the coaches, the WR, the TE, the OL and defenses fault, but not Dak.....

    no one ever denies his desire and commitment. its the skillset as a passer that needs a lot of improvement. no one is saying he is bad or that being a game manager is bad..... you take offense to that...not sure why?....

    and just because he had a 455 yard game doesn't mean he is great. many middle of the pack QBs have done that....but he is also made a lot of bad plays...but somehow those are ignored. he is left a lot of meat on that bone as someone once said....

    Russell Wilson has a superbowl ring and been to two.....with less resources than Dak. until Dak does that...he is below Wilson....and Wilson has carried his team the past couple of years.....with less talent around him than Dak has had. if I had to choose between the two..I take Wilson 4 times out of 3......

    and what we do know for a fact...when zeke is not around...Dak is 4-3. when zeke under performed last year we were 2-6, when zeke performed at a high level (100+ total yards) we are 9-1. regardless of how Dak performed.
     
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  20. CowboysFaninHouston

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    no, those QBs are bottom of the league....choose middle of the pack QBs and let me know....Dak is middle of the pack.
     

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