Zeke or Jalen Ramsey 2 years later

[Plankton]

RB, more than any other position has shown you can get quality, productive backs (including leading rushers) from later rounds and even undrafted. The same cannot be said about CBs to the same extent.

Really?

Check the draft rounds for HOF running backs versus HOF cornerbacks, and see if that theory holds.

 

[Thomas82]

I was ecstatic when we picked Zeke in 2016, and I'm every bit as ecstatic and amazed that we have him. This was the 4th time since I've been a Cowboys fan that we picked exactly who I wanted us to pick.

 

[Walker]

Ramsey plays on an elite Defense, and Zeke plays on an average Offense. Imagine if we had deep threat and high skill QB play, that would open up even more stuff for Zeke. On the flip side, RB is easier to replace. Both are good choices.

 

[DiResta]

its going to suck dealing with him and their defense including Church when Dallas plays them this Thanksgiving
please just run the ball down their throat and dont feed Dak to them with several turnovers
will never hear the end of it

 

[KJJ]

This was an interesting thread that was started in November 2016 an Anthony Brown vs Ramsey comparison. Many were glad we passed on Ramsey. Some preferred Brown.
The second link was just prior to the 2016 draft.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/comparing-anthony-brown-and-jalen-ramsey.363843/

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/jalen-ramsey-debate-the-pick.347814/

 

[KJJ]

This was another Jalen Ramsey thread started the day of the draft. There’s some Zeke, Ramsey comparisons. Pretty interesting to look back and see what some were saying then.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/jalen-ramsey-is-quentin-jammer.347982/

 

[KJJ]

From May 2016 another Zeke vs Ramsey.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/zeke-v-ramsey.348761/

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Really?

Check the draft rounds for HOF running backs versus HOF cornerbacks, and see if that theory holds.

Textbook goalpost moving.

So I’ll do the same for you. How many Super Bowls were won with HOF RBs?

Get on it.

 

[Plankton]

Textbook goalpost moving.

So I’ll do the same for you. How many Super Bowls were won with HOF RBs?

Get on it.

It’s not goalpost moving - it’s fact. One that conveniently blows the argument up.

You can find great players in every round for every position. It’s not restricted to one position group more than any other.

 

[Nightman]

It’s not goalpost moving - it’s fact. One that conveniently blows the argument up.

You can find great players in every round for every position. It’s not restricted to one position group more than any other.

My guess is 21 Super Bowls and a dozen more NFL Championships

 

[joseephuss]

Textbook goalpost moving.

So I’ll do the same for you. How many Super Bowls were won with HOF RBs?

Get on it.

Marcus Allen (RB) 1982-1997

Jerome Bettis 1993-2005
Jim Brown (FB) 1957-1965
Earl Campbell (RB) 1978-1985
Larry Csonka (FB) 1968-1979

Terrell Davis 1995-2001
Eric Dickerson (RB) 1983-1993
Tony Dorsett (RB) 1977-1988

Marshall Faulk (RB) 1994-2005
Frank Gifford (HB-FL) 1952-1960, 1962-1964
Franco Harris (RB) 1972-1984

Paul Hornung (HB) 1957-1962, 1964-1966
John Henry Johnson (FB) 1954-1966
Leroy Kelly (RB) 1964-1973
Floyd Little (RB) 1967-1975
Curtis Martin (RB) 1995-2005
Ollie Matson (HB) 1952, 1954-1966
Hugh McElhenny (HB) 1952-1964
Lenny Moore (HB) 1956-1967
Marion Motley (FB) 1946-1953, 1955
Walter Payton (RB) 1975-1987
Joe Perry (FB) 1948-1963
John Riggins (RB) 1971-1979, 1981-1985
Barry Sanders (RB) 1989-1998
Gale Sayers (HB) 1965-1971
O.J. Simpson (RB) 1969-1979
Emmitt Smith 1990-2004
Jim Taylor (FB) 1958-1967
Thurman Thomas 1988-2000
LaDainian Tomlinson
Charley Trippi (HB) 1947-1955
Doak Walker (HB) 1950-1955

The bolded won Superbowls. I may have missed a couple.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Really?

Check the draft rounds for HOF running backs versus HOF cornerbacks, and see if that theory holds.

You mean players 10 years and older? New NFL buddy. The CB position is more important the RB these days. That is a fact.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Marcus Allen (RB) 1982-1997

Jerome Bettis 1993-2005
Jim Brown (FB) 1957-1965
Earl Campbell (RB) 1978-1985
Larry Csonka (FB) 1968-1979

Terrell Davis 1995-2001
Eric Dickerson (RB) 1983-1993
Tony Dorsett (RB) 1977-1988

Marshall Faulk (RB) 1994-2005
Frank Gifford (HB-FL) 1952-1960, 1962-1964
Franco Harris (RB) 1972-1984

Paul Hornung (HB) 1957-1962, 1964-1966
John Henry Johnson (FB) 1954-1966
Leroy Kelly (RB) 1964-1973
Floyd Little (RB) 1967-1975
Curtis Martin (RB) 1995-2005
Ollie Matson (HB) 1952, 1954-1966
Hugh McElhenny (HB) 1952-1964
Lenny Moore (HB) 1956-1967
Marion Motley (FB) 1946-1953, 1955
Walter Payton (RB) 1975-1987
Joe Perry (FB) 1948-1963
John Riggins (RB) 1971-1979, 1981-1985
Barry Sanders (RB) 1989-1998
Gale Sayers (HB) 1965-1971
O.J. Simpson (RB) 1969-1979
Emmitt Smith 1990-2004
Jim Taylor (FB) 1958-1967
Thurman Thomas 1988-2000
LaDainian Tomlinson
Charley Trippi (HB) 1947-1955
Doak Walker (HB) 1950-1955

The bolded won Superbowls. I may have missed a couple.

Yep, 2005 and older. That pretty much sums it up. How many hall of fame RB's have the Patriots had? GB? Marshall Faulk might be the last one. He will get in. Now I would take Faulk over just about any corner. But in reality, in todays NFL, its pretty standard.

 

[cowboyec]

Marcus Allen (RB) 1982-1997

Jerome Bettis 1993-2005
Jim Brown (FB) 1957-1965
Earl Campbell (RB) 1978-1985
Larry Csonka (FB) 1968-1979

Terrell Davis 1995-2001
Eric Dickerson (RB) 1983-1993
Tony Dorsett (RB) 1977-1988

Marshall Faulk (RB) 1994-2005
Frank Gifford (HB-FL) 1952-1960, 1962-1964
Franco Harris (RB) 1972-1984

Paul Hornung (HB) 1957-1962, 1964-1966
John Henry Johnson (FB) 1954-1966
Leroy Kelly (RB) 1964-1973
Floyd Little (RB) 1967-1975
Curtis Martin (RB) 1995-2005
Ollie Matson (HB) 1952, 1954-1966
Hugh McElhenny (HB) 1952-1964
Lenny Moore (HB) 1956-1967
Marion Motley (FB) 1946-1953, 1955
Walter Payton (RB) 1975-1987
Joe Perry (FB) 1948-1963
John Riggins (RB) 1971-1979, 1981-1985
Barry Sanders (RB) 1989-1998
Gale Sayers (HB) 1965-1971
O.J. Simpson (RB) 1969-1979
Emmitt Smith 1990-2004
Jim Taylor (FB) 1958-1967
Thurman Thomas 1988-2000
LaDainian Tomlinson
Charley Trippi (HB) 1947-1955
Doak Walker (HB) 1950-1955

The bolded won Superbowls. I may have missed a couple.

the only one you forgot was Jim Taylor...he got 2 with green bay.
thanks for the work.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

It’s not goalpost moving - it’s fact. One that conveniently blows the argument up.

You can find great players in every round for every position. It’s not restricted to one position group more than any other.

You’re making a point nobody is arguing (that i.e. you can find examples of good players at any position in any round) and treating it like you said something profound.

You can find quality, starting-caliber, and productive RBs at later points in the draft and even off the streets, moreso than any other position.

We can go down the list of 1,000+ yard rushers the past 10 years if you’d like?

Responding back with “we’ll how many are HOFers...” neither addresses nor dismisses the claim, but rather misses the point entirely.

It’s like saying you can find a good burger at 12 different burger spots by my house, but then someone responding back and sayin “oh yeah, but how many of those burger joints are Michelin Star rated restaurants?”

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Marcus Allen (RB) 1982-1997

Jerome Bettis 1993-2005
Jim Brown (FB) 1957-1965
Earl Campbell (RB) 1978-1985
Larry Csonka (FB) 1968-1979

Terrell Davis 1995-2001
Eric Dickerson (RB) 1983-1993
Tony Dorsett (RB) 1977-1988

Marshall Faulk (RB) 1994-2005
Frank Gifford (HB-FL) 1952-1960, 1962-1964
Franco Harris (RB) 1972-1984

Paul Hornung (HB) 1957-1962, 1964-1966
John Henry Johnson (FB) 1954-1966
Leroy Kelly (RB) 1964-1973
Floyd Little (RB) 1967-1975
Curtis Martin (RB) 1995-2005
Ollie Matson (HB) 1952, 1954-1966
Hugh McElhenny (HB) 1952-1964
Lenny Moore (HB) 1956-1967
Marion Motley (FB) 1946-1953, 1955
Walter Payton (RB) 1975-1987
Joe Perry (FB) 1948-1963
John Riggins (RB) 1971-1979, 1981-1985
Barry Sanders (RB) 1989-1998
Gale Sayers (HB) 1965-1971
O.J. Simpson (RB) 1969-1979
Emmitt Smith 1990-2004
Jim Taylor (FB) 1958-1967
Thurman Thomas 1988-2000
LaDainian Tomlinson
Charley Trippi (HB) 1947-1955
Doak Walker (HB) 1950-1955

The bolded won Superbowls. I may have missed a couple.

Super Bowl started in 1967, so I don’t think Paul Hornung would be counted. That said, there’s been 51 Super Bowls played this far. By my count, that’s just 10 running backs.

I think the point clearly stands you don’t require a HOF running back to win a Super Bowl.

 

[cowboyec]

Super Bowl started in 1967, so I don’t think Paul Hornung would be counted. That said, there’s been 51 Super Bowls played this far. By my count, that’s just 10 running backs.

I think the point clearly stands you don’t require a HOF running back to win a Super Bowl.

Hornung was on the team but didnt play in the game...pinched nerve in his neck...so he did get a ring.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

1,000+ rushers this year:

Kareem Hunt* - 3rd round/86th pick
Todd Gurley - 1st round/10th pick
LeVeon Bell - 2nd round/48th
LeSean McCoy - 2nd round/53rd
Mark Ingram - 1st round/28th
Jordan Howard - 5th round/150th
Melvin Gordon - 1st round/15th
Leonard Fournette - 1st round/4th
C. Anderson - Undrafted

 

[Thomas82]

When you have an elite OL, you don't "need" an elite TB behind them.

Without an elite RB behind the elite OL, you are wasting it in my opinion.

 

[CATCH17]

I don't know where we would be without Zeke.

Our overall defense just isn't good enough for Ramsey to make a big enough impact like he does for the Jags.

Plus.. The JAgs just drafted a bigtime RB themselves in Leonard Fournette.

The smart football move was Ramsey but Zeke is probably more valuable to this team then Ramsey would've been.