Zimmer from the media's perspective

[Dave_in-NC]

That is in yards allowed, which any coach would tell you is an over-rated and utterly stupid statistical measurement.

In other words, its how people without a clue measure a defense.

Call me crazy, but I'd much rather have a defense that creates turn-overs, confuses an offense, pressures the QB, and you know, doesn't fold like a cheap tent in pressure situations.

But hey, maybe I just got higher standards than you do.

Well we are way up on turn-overs. We dont allow yards to most teams. According to most sources we get a fair amount of pressure but thats what this d is supposed to do.
Again, one bad game. Will you be here crying if we beat Atlanta Sat?

 

[khiladi]

From what I remember yesterday was the first time that significant yardage in the flat killed us. Thats what people are complaining about. Thats what Peyton is saying he knew. If that's not the case whats all the complaining about being beaten down field?

Let me re-quote what I said:

if you notice, opposing offenses pick up THE significant yardage against Dallas on passes to the flat or passes over the middle...

It was because of this, that NO scored on long plays... Dallas' gameplan is counter-productive... NO was moving the ball significantly with short routes... Dallas continued to play zone, and ultimately Roy started to have his mind on the screen plays.. he was worried about the flat... the play Roy got burned on the TD was because the last series Bush just ran for like a 45 yard TD on a screen pass FROM THE SAME SIDE...

the cover 2 keeps Roy out of the game... if we played more man, with our covers, Roy would not be so damn far from the line that he could make plays...

like I said, scheming... Zimmer and Parcells are not using our players effectively..

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Let me re-quote what I said:



It was because of this, that NO scored on long plays... Dallas' gameplan is counter-productive... NO was moving the ball significantly with short routes... Dallas continued to play zone, and ultimately Roy started to have his mind on the screen plays.. he was worried about the flat... the play Roy got burned on the TD was because the last series Bush just ran for like a 45 yard TD on a screen pass FROM THE SAME SIDE...

the cover 2 keeps Roy out of the game... if we played more man, with our covers, Roy would not be so damn far from the line that he could make plays...

like I said, scheming... Zimmer and Parcells are not using our players effectively..

I agree Roy needs to stay in the box. I don't think our coaches expected the wrinkles NO used yesterday. They know our team. They knew what we would do. I would bet a much closer game the next time. Not to mention they are the number one offense in the NFL.

 

[DragonCowboy]

Here's what I think:

1. I really hope that it's Zimmer and not the quality of our players. If it's the latter, I can honestly say that we wasted the last 3+ years of the draft getting players who haven't been all that great.

2. Whether it's Zimmer or the players that need to be blamed, here's all the games in the last two years where our defense let the opposing offense move across the field to get in position for a game-tying/game-winning TD/FG:

1. San Diego - 2005
2. Washington - 2005
3. New York - 2005
4. Seattle - 2005
5. Denver - 2005 (I guess you could call it a "choke" because of that long run, depends how you look at it)
6. Kansas City - 2005
7. Carolina - 2005 (I guess you could call it a "choke", once again, depends how you look at it)
8. Washington - 2006
9. Indianapolis - 2006
10. New York - 2006

That's 10 possible "chokes" right there.

I don't care whose fault it is, I just want it fixed.

 

[Sasquatch]

No doubt, the coaches deserve to be ripped when the team performs so disgracefully, but I wonder if some of the more exaggerated criticism of Zimmer stems from the psychological need of many fans to locate blame in a single place as a means of denying the more painful reality that we just might be a slightly above average team with slightly above average talent? All we need to do to be a championship team, according to such logic, is to replace the coach.

Just a thought.

 

[DipChit]

Well from the "media's perspective" as was originally asked, it's simply because we dont get lit up for lots of points very often and thats the usual barometer of sucky defense or not.

They arent as worried as 'we" are for example that we allowed the Giants to come down and tie it A) because we won, and B) because they didnt hang 30 on us in the first place.

Until last night we were something like 8th in points allowed. And we had kinda quit giving up the long balls. When it came to some media people giving us love as of late, those were as much the reason as the Romo deal.

 

[Fan Since 77]

Why do people have such a hard time blaming BOTH players and coaches?
Is it a mental illness, or some form of retardation?

 

[Rockytop6]

Zimmer ain't the problem?

Sure could have fooled me.

Heck, let's go blame it on the players so more.. it's always there fault.

I mean why should coaches be expected to coach?

Something I have seen repeatedly. Henry will line up about ten steps from the receiver usually about a yard behind the first down marker. Then when the pass goes to the receiver he will wait for the receiver instead of hitting him before he gets up a head of steam. He could close on him and knock him out of bounds. Instead he will wait for him and the receiver will bowl Henry over and he will pick up the first down by two or three yards. He did it in the NY game and also in the Saints game. These were 3rd down plays resulting in a first down and the series continuing.

Tonight I saw the Bears play and the Bears cb did not wait for the receiver but as soon as the Rams receiver caught the ball he knocked him out of bounds 3 or 4 yards short of the first down.

Surely this shows up on film and some coach sees what is happening and I would assume would talk to Henry about it but maybe not since he continues to do it. These are the kind of things that really bother me about our coaches. We were GREATLY OUTCOACHED last night.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Please tell me what Parcells had to work with when he arrived? Then tell me where we are talent wise now. One bad game dude. Any one who thought it was a quick fix after ten years......... well responds like you do.

What did Jimmy have to work with in 89....nothin. Even less than Parcells in a much harder to win league. After 4 years of Parcells we still cant pressure the QB, cant cover anybody, frequently get outcoached, still cant force enough turnovers, commit dumb *** penalties way too much and still have Zimmer.

We all know what was goin on after 4 tears with Jimmy. Parcells has made it better but has not done what he's making all those big bucks for.

Oh and most of his problem is Jerry, he's the common denominator to all the Cowboys woes since he gave thanks to Jimmy for those 2 Lombardi's by kickin' him in the butt out the door.

 

[Beast_from_East]

we've been a top 10 defense 3 of the last 4 years, including first in 2003, and third thus far this season.

stats are for losers like Zimmy.

Saints scored TDs on 6 of their first 8 possessions.

It is hard to do that of freaking Playstation:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

 

[ConstantReboot]

I'm fairly new here. But I've been watching Zimmer and his defense for years. I can say for sure that what you say in the Saints and Giants game is a typical Zimmer style defense.

He ran this same defense last year against Washington. Yet there was no adjustment or changes made to improve it.

This is also desame defense we played against Miami in 2003. Same defense same results, which was a blowout.

A Zimmer defense seems to get blown out by good teams in the most crucial of moments.

Frankly, I don't think Zimmer gameplans. Its the same ole defense he ran even before Parcells took over.

Its time for a change. Its time for a new philosophy on defense.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I have never seen him get called out.

are you serious? you can't go a week w/o hearing him get bashed in here

well except for when our D is playing well

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Don't you realize it.. it's always the players fault.. never Zimmers.

I would like to see you show me where someone has totally absolved Zimmer from blame, in fact, he gets more blame than the players

 

[ConstantReboot]

I would like to see you show me where someone has totally absolved Zimmer from blame, in fact, he gets more blame than the players

Well he just made history by leading a defense that allowed 5 TDs in Texas Stadium.

Its his scheme that allowed almost 50 points by the Saints.

I agree that he does get blamed alot. But this week he really deserves the blame given to him.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

But this week he really deserves the blame given to him.

and our players just as much

 

[soccerbud]

this past week's poor effort is a combination of poor game planning from the coaches and poor execution from the players.

They deserve equal blame

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

are you serious? you can't go a week w/o hearing him get bashed in here

well except for when our D is playing well

I was talking about from the medias perspective.

I have never seen an article that calls Zimmer to the carpet. In fact, I remember the article that talked about how we're letting him get into this year without extending him, and it talked about how we were taking such a dangerous risk by possibly letting a great defensive mind walk away at years end.

Zimmer? A great defensive mind?

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[gbrittain]

I do not understand why our coaches get a free pass and I will include Parcells and Zimmer since Parcells could override Zimmer at any time.

If our defense was doing this under Campo as the head coach everyone would be ready to ride him out of town.

No coach in the history of the NFL has ever been fired for missing a tackle, dropping a pass, throwing an INT, blowing a coverage and etcetera. The players have always been the ones to screw that part up.

Coaches get fired because they can not get the right players or they can get the players they do have to execute their plan.

This tired excuse of Zimmer did not let so and so run by so and so. Well duh...no coach ever has.

There is clearly something wrong with this defense. I have seen vanilla wafers more exciting this defense. We do not put any pressure on the offense. We bend, bend, bend some more and then break.

Worth noting that Dallas is tied for fifth worst in terms of sacks. Forget sacks for a second but it would be a safe assumption to make that the teams who pressure the QB the most are the ones getting the most sacks. That tells me we are near dead last in pressuring the QB.

Sorry, but something has to give. If we are not that talented on defense as some are saying then Parcells has truly failed as a head coach.

If we are talented on defense then Parcells needs to make the move at the end of the season and rid himself of Zimmy.

No matter how you slice it we have a bit of coaching problem here.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Zimmer is not the reason for the conservative play calling. He used to Blitz a pretty fair amount under Campo. Parcells is the reason they don't Blitz, he even stated his reasons for not wanting to do so in his Press Conference.

Fact is that Zim tries to scheme to cover up for poor coverage in the Safety position. When he had Woodson back there, he didn't have to worry about this as much and Blitz accordingly.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Worth noting that Dallas is tied for fifth worst in terms of sacks. Forget sacks for a second but it would be a safe assumption to make that the teams who pressure the QB the most are the ones getting the most sacks. That tells me we are near dead last in pressuring the QB.

We're 5th worst in sacks, while running a defense thats main premise is to generate pressure by keeping the offense off balance.

Unbelievable.

Where to we rank in interceptions?

No Mike Zimmer defense has ever been able to force interceptions either. But then again, that goes hand in hand with creating pressure.

You pressure a QB into bad throws, and the interceptions follow.