CZ POLL Do you want the Cowboys to sign Earl Thomas?

[montgod]

For me not as simple as yes or no. I would like to have Thomas but it would have to be within Cowboys salary cap structure. If he wants top dollar then go somewhere else, if he wants to finish his career as a Cowboy then it needs to be in a cap friendly deal. Pretty much take it or leave it

As it's been stated, this thread was based on a reasonable contract, but I also remember reading that he told other interested teams that he was waiting on his #1 option before deciding. So it seems pretty obvious, the Boys are his #1... and if they say no, he might already have other suitors regardless of contract.

 

[NotForLong]

Great post.

But it does bring to mind the very legitimate question of just where Thomas' head and life are at right now.

Does he realize the deal the Ravens gave him? The one h flushed down the toilet with his behavior?

Does he realize the mess his personal life looks to be in (from an outside perspective anyway)?

Is he aware of the damage done to his reputation in the league and the affect that will have on his current status and asking price?

If the answer to any of those questions is no, then I think the Cowboys are better off saying no as well.

I am not a psychologists but looking in from the outside. It seams to me, alot of this started when the Legion of Boom broke down.

Maybe just maybe this stems from his frustration of not being able to work with others. Chancelor, Sherman and Earl were Nasty in thier play and thier swag. Not many people can relate on that level. Many are turned off

A pack of lions can vibe and a pack of hyenas can vibe but throw a lion with hyenas and the whole Chemistry is off.

There are reports of him free lancing and he may have been voted off the team. Well thats dangerous.

I am all for adding Lions to the team but not if they are gonna devour the pride.

He ran himself out of Seattle, which was amusing to watch because of his desire to be on the Cowboys but in reality it was dispicable. Even how he handled himself after the injusry was shameful.

Then he got paid. He was rewarded for crappy behaviour. And that prima donna that was created seams to still have life. Now hes with an up and coming organization and he cant get along.

At this point he is a high risk, but if by some miracle he is humbled and comes to his senses. I am all for it

 

[jaythecowboy]

As it's been stated, this thread was based on a reasonable contract, but I also remember reading that he told other interested teams that he was waiting on his #1 option before deciding. So it seems pretty obvious, the Boys are his obvious #1... and if they say no, he might already have other suitors regardless of contract.

That's another part of it. Earl Thomas always wanted to come here. He went to the Ravens for the money. I think it is likely he would be on his best behavior here. Just make the contract so the Cowboys can get out of it without much hassle.

 

[montgod]

That's another part of it. Earl Thomas always wanted to come here. He went to the Ravens for the money. I think it is likely he would be on his best behavior here. Just make the contract so the Cowboys can get out of it without much hassle.

Yeah.. if it was that easy, it would have been done. I think MM has a specific stance on this that is holding JJ up from making ET a Cowboy. You can't usurp your new 'real' coach before the first season begins

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree in terms of the Ravens, however, I believe him being cut had everything to do with his attitude, actions outside of performance on the field. Still gives me pause but I do believe he would still be a significant upgrade to what the Boys have now.

Certainly don't think that helped anything. Ravens are disciplined and I'm guessing that we are now seeing why the Legion of Boom went down so quickly. If Thomas' reported behavior is an indication of what things were like at the end in Seattle, then it tells you all you need to know about why the Hags got bad defensively overnite but also why the situation in Baltimore was ever left to the players instead of John Harbaugh just stepping in and preventing any of that. If he were still an impact player, it never would have come to that IMO.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Makes me wonder if they would’ve kept him if they didn’t have a legit free safety ready to start

That's probably a safe bet.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Ravens are one of the few teams in the NFL, where I trust their player evaluations. If they let him go, then I have to believe he's done. I don't see them releasing talent at the Safety position.

I would add the steelers when it comes to "diva" or "problem" players.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Makes me wonder if they would’ve kept him if they didn’t have a legit free safety ready to start

No, not IMO.......ET lost the trust/confidence of his lockerroom/teammates. Coaches or GMs can't fix that.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Great post.

But it does bring to mind the very legitimate question of just where Thomas' head and life are at right now.

Does he realize the deal the Ravens gave him? The one h flushed down the toilet with his behavior?

Does he realize the mess his personal life looks to be in (from an outside perspective anyway)?

Is he aware of the damage done to his reputation in the league and the affect that will have on his current status and asking price?

If the answer to any of those questions is no, then I think the Cowboys are better off saying no as well.

I like your points here. You would hope that the release and the lukewarm reception from the rest of the league would be a wake up call. Truth is nobody will pay him anywhere close to what he was making in Baltimore. Heck, before this blew up the Ravens were the only team to offer that kind of contract - nobody else came close when he was a FA last season. If I recall correctly he had a deal in place with KC until Baltimore made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

ET's going to have to take a prove-it deal that is more humbling than Griffen's was, or he won't be playing.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I would add the steelers when it comes to "diva" or "problem" players.

Yeah, I would have agreed with you a few years ago but man, Steelers seem to put up with a lot more of that lately. Their QB is a first class jackwagon, Brown was ignored by the team for a really long time until he wasn't and Deebo Harrison, he was in Pittsburgh forever and there was no bigger *** hat then that dude.

 

[OmerV]

Let's ignore the contract details and assume that it is a fair market contract but with favorable terms for the Cowboys.

Fair market contract", and "we can afford it in the future with all the other commitments we have made and will need to make" aren't necessarily the same thing, but if I could be assured a contract isn't a problem now or in the future, sure, I would take him, and if not, I would pass.

 

[MikeB80]

Hell No.

 

[montgod]

Certainly don't think that helped anything. Ravens are disciplined and I'm guessing that we are now seeing why the Legion of Boom went down so quickly. If Thomas' reported behavior is an indication of what things were like at the end in Seattle, then it tells you all you need to know about why the Hags got bad defensively overnite but also why the situation in Baltimore was ever left to the players instead of John Harbaugh just stepping in and preventing any of that. If he were still an impact player, it never would have come to that IMO.

Even though the pro bowl isn't a fully legit indicator of being the very best as it used to be, ET was still a Pro Bowler last year with the Ravens. This tells me he was still better than the majority of other safeties in the NFL. That and and the statement from the Ravens was that it was based on conduct. I've seen past players who were released (TO, Hunt, A Smith, ABrown, R Foster, JGordon, DJackson, etc) especially now a days in our current climate, based on conduct vs. performance on the field.
The Legion of Boom was probably a different animal in itself since all the original members left around 2017-2018 seasons or earlier, most notably, Chancellor, Sherman, Browner, Maxwell, and lastly Thomas. I didn't remember or see anywhere that he had any issues in SEA besides his contract dispute on his final year.

 

[montgod]

No, not IMO.......ET lost the trust/confidence of his lockerroom/teammates. Coaches or GMs can't fix that.

Fully agree.

 

[Reality]

Fair market contract", and "we can afford it in the future with all the other commitments we have made and will need to make" aren't necessarily the same thing, but assuming the contract isn't a problem now or in the future, sure, I would take him.

I was trying to use language that most people would not nitpick over.

The point of the poll was to exclude the contract and simply focus on whether you want the Cowboys to sign him or not.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Even though the pro bowl isn't a fully legit indicator of being the very best as it used to be, ET was still a Pro Bowler last year with the Ravens. This tells me he was still better than the majority of other safeties in the NFL. That and and the statement from the Ravens was that it was based on conduct. I've seen past players who were released (TO, Hunt, A Smith, ABrown, R Foster, JGordon, DJackson, etc) especially now a days in our current climate, based on conduct vs. performance on the field.
The Legion of Boom was probably a different animal in itself since all the original members left around 2017-2018 seasons or earlier, most notably, Chancellor, Sherman, Browner, Maxwell, and lastly Thomas. I didn't remember or see anywhere that he had any issues in SEA besides his contract dispute on his final year.

He had several. Not the least of which was injury issues but beside that, there were lots of rumors over attitudes and not just with Thomas.

 

[OmerV]

I was trying to use language that most people would not nitpick over.

The point of the poll was to exclude the contract and simply on focus whether you want the Cowboys to sign him or not.

But you didn't actually exclude the contract, you just said to assume it was a fair market contract. And, of course, a fair market contract for a big name player is likely to be high dollar, and with big name players the contract is always a huge factor in deciding whether a player should be signed.

But if the question is simply whether I think he would be worth having if the contract were assured of not being an issue, then like I said, I would take him.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Where are the reported lockerroom/ teammate issues in Seattle coming from? I have not read/heard a single issue he had with his Seattle teammates as some fans are posting. Yea, he and Seahawks management ( including Carrol ) had their issues over his contract. Recap......ET going into the final year of his deal at the end of 2017 season. He asked Garrett/Cowboys to come get him. 2018 offseason Stephen and Jerry did just that or at least tried. They first offered Seahawks 3rd round pick that was upgraded to 2nd but the Seahawks rejected both attempts saying they would not trade ET nor give him an extension. In other words, their position was he will play his final year as a Seahawk, under his current deal. Now if you recall, ET held out most of the training camp trying to force the issue. He finally reported before the season started only to suffer a season-ending injury in the 2nd or 3rd game. On his way off the field did the famous F you signal to Carrol.

Not sure posters keep saying he had character issues with coaches and teammates in Seattle coz it's not true. If there are REPORTED teammates or lockerroom issues out there with the Seahawks fine, let's see them.

 

[Reality]

But you didn't actually exclude the contract, you just said to assume it was a fair market contract. And, of course, a fair market contract for a big name player is likely to be high dollar, and with big name players the contract is always a huge factor in deciding whether a player should be signed.

But if the question is simply whether I think he would be worth having if the contract were assured of not being an issue, then like I said, I would take him.

Okay .. for those who are really worried about the contract still, please ... IGNORE THE CONTRACT ...assume whatever you personally want is what happens.

That work for you?

 

[Stash]

I like your points here. You would hope that the release and the lukewarm reception from the rest of the league would be a wake up call. Truth is nobody will pay him anywhere close to what he was making in Baltimore. Heck, before this blew up the Ravens were the only team to offer that kind of contract - nobody else came close when he was a FA last season. If I recall correctly he had a deal in place with KC until Baltimore made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

ET's going to have to take a prove-it deal that is more humbling than Griffen's was, or he won't be playing.

Not in Dallas anyway!