I see on the boards all the time “build through the draft and bring in some stop gaps (scrubs) in free agency....that’s how you win a Super Bowl
Well Steve let’s take a look at the Bucs....
Notable free agents:
1. Tom Brady
2. Shaq Barret
3. Gronk
4. Fournette
5. Suh
6. Antonio Brown
7. Jason Paul
So you can go on living that lie that we will win a Super Bowl through the draft and free agency scrubs
they already had offensive core. they paid a lot of money for these defensive FA and that's the point... one defensive player can't turn a defense around, you need multiple and they cost money money money....and regardless, they still didn't make it and their number 1 offense and Rodgers carried the team.
I am not anti-FA....I don't believe you can build a team and win through FA. you have to draft well. if you can't draft well and you think its a crapshoot, then you have evaluation problems...Tampa built through draft and supplement with couple of key FAs. KC built through the draft. Bills built through the draft. so its not such a crapshoot if all these teams can build their core through the draft.
The Packers got BJ Raji in the draft, and he singlehandedly caused two early TO's that led to TD's. Packers won by 6, BTW.Go look at the success rate on draft picks, especially in the later rounds. It's a crapshoot. If you don''t believe it is, you haven't looked at the success rates. For the first round, it's around 50 percent. For the subsequent rounds, it gets worse.
You build through the draft because you take a lot of shots (for example, having 10 picks this year). Based on percentages, you get a few players among those 10 who become quality starters. Let's say you get three quality starters in a year, which is actually on the high side, just building through the draft, it would take you seven years to put quality starters at every position on offense and defense.
I 100 percent agree with you that you have to draft well, and I don't think anyone here is saying that you don't. But you also have to use free agency well.
Green Bay was not competitive until it vastly improved its defense. The year it won the Super Bowl, it had a very good defense. Charles Woodson was a big-time free agent piece of that (I could go back and point out more I'm sure, but I don't want to make the effort). Yes, having a great offense has been important to the Packers' success, but so has been a competent defense.
We've built a competitive offense, but we haven't done what Green Bay did to put a defense on the field that can help that offense and become a contender. You have to spend some money, money, money. It all goes hand in hand to putting a competitive team on the field.
You build through the draft. You supplement with free agency. That's how you put a team together. You don't grab some FAs off the trash heap and try to fill holes while you continue to build through the draft. If you do that, you are never going to succeed because there will always be holes to fill. You've got to fill those holes with quality to supplement the base you build with draft picks if you want to contend.
Eagles was a fluke and they are not a good representation of what it takes to win a Super Bowl.
If Antonio Brown, Gronk weren't there...I think Mike Evans, Brate and Godwin would've been able to take the load but who I guess not according to you. Oh well.Oh well, you got me there. Cameron Brate in a couple of playoff games (as if other solid players mean these guys weren't important )...and the guy who played 5 games in 2020.
Talk about not paying attention.
And Dallas is right now?
I mean they got 5 of them.....
Probably so. What’s Eagles issue? They are even worse than the Cowboys lol.As long as they still live in the past, they’ll never progress into the future. That’s Jerry’s main problem
The problem with Jerry is he only will bring in nice guys. Sometimes you need that bit of criminal nasty element to add attitude to a defense. Not a bunch of washed up DTs that are fat and lazy looking for a final payday.We ain’t gonna win jack until we get a real GM who is serious about bringing in some real talent....which doesn’t look like that will ever happen
I see on the boards all the time “build through the draft and bring in some stop gaps (scrubs) in free agency....that’s how you win a Super Bowl
Well Steve let’s take a look at the Bucs....
Notable free agents:
1. Tom Brady
2. Shaq Barret
3. Gronk
4. Fournette
5. Suh
6. Antonio Brown
7. Jason Paul
So you can go on living that lie that we will win a Super Bowl through the draft and free agency scrubs
All those FA's wouldn't have mattered if they stuck with Winston instead of signing Brady. Brady made all that possible.
exactly not saying the Jones shouldnt take a risk more often but we see far more failures with day one FA big money signings then it works..we just have to hope they get it right this year ..big turning point on full rebuild vs filling a few holes and back on top of the east..could go either wayYup.
The majority of big money FA signings do not work out positively for the team.
I see on the boards all the time “build through the draft and bring in some stop gaps (scrubs) in free agency....that’s how you win a Super Bowl
Well Steve let’s take a look at the Bucs....
Notable free agents:
1. Tom Brady
2. Shaq Barret
3. Gronk
4. Fournette
5. Suh
6. Antonio Brown
7. Jason Paul
So you can go on living that lie that we will win a Super Bowl through the draft and free agency scrubs
Stephen Jones would have made an honest offer to Tom Brady, Gronk, Suh etc
you build your core through the draft. you complement with a few mid level draftees and perhaps a big signing to fill a gap you couldn't do through draft
you swung and missed baadddlllyyy. you were lazy to do your homework because you wanted to drive an agenda.
Fourtnette had 367 yards rushing...by comparison Polllard had 435. so you tout fourtnette? because its a name you heard and have no idea what he did for his team.
most of those FA cost as much as the 4 FA we signed and couldn't get past mid season. its finding the right cheap FA.....
below is the core of their team that came through draft.
Wirf
Wienfield
White
Vea
Jones
Howard
Brate
Evans
Godwin
Hargraves
Smith
Evans
Incredibly weak effort at a point. Nobody ever said QB doesn't matter.QB doesn't matter it's a team sport.....
What Jerry Jones did was viewed as smart and applauded by most.
Don’t overpay in FA, build through the draft, and sign your guys when they perform.
I on the other hand was the guy saying to sign Brady and go all in.
I was also the guy saying McCarthy was a status quo hire.
We make too many smart conservative decisions that have us stuck right in the middle.