News: PFT: Judge finds Marriott blatantly violated court order

[kskboys]

All you yahoo’s that immediately crapped on Irvin when this first came out should be ashamed of yourselves. Regardless of what happens.

As should anyone who crapped on either side. We do not know enough to take sides.

 

[CouchCoach]

All you yahoo’s that immediately crapped on Irvin when this first came out should be ashamed of yourselves. Regardless of what happens.

Not if I don't like the loudmouth and I have been upfront about that, I flat do not like him and could seen him doing somewthing they are describing but I have not said he was guilty of it. Just that he handled it poorly and continues to do so.

 

[Reid1boys]

If there is, you think Mike's lawyers are going to show that part? They are going to edit to show what looks favorable to their camp. This is why I wondered before if Marriott is going to counter in public with "other" video that Irvin's team is in possession of but won't air out to the public because it doesn't suit their case. I'm wondering if Marriott could be setting up for the okie-doke, making Irvin's team play their hand first and then countering after Irvin's team takes a stance publicly.

so do you think publicly is going to matter when this or if this goes to court? If the video is 90 seconds and MIke's camp shows 30 seconds, they will get crushed in the media.

 

[Rockport]

As should anyone who crapped on either side. We do not know enough to take sides.

I don’t think anyone was on the side that he was innocent. I for one preached to wait until all the facts came out.

 

[Rockport]

Not if I don't like the loudmouth and I have been upfront about that, I flat do not like him and could seen him doing somewthing they are describing but I have not said he was guilty of it. Just that he handled it poorly and continues to do so.

How is he handling it poorly?

 

[Reid1boys]

I beg your pardon, I have used pretending to know things to navigate these boards for decades.

And now at least we know what they say he said, just haven't heard from the other side about what he did or didn't say.

we need to hear exactly what he said... not just some characterization of what he said.

 

[Captain-Crash]

if he quits hiding we will hear something.

 

[stiletto]

we need to hear exactly what he said... not just some characterization of what he said.

From PFT, some of it sounds pretty specific to me, doesn't really sound made up:

"Here’s an excerpt from the document posted by Gehlken:

“Irvin also reached out and touched the Victim’s arm during this conversation without her consent, causing her to step back, becoming visibly uncomfortable. Irvin then asked the Victim whether she knew anything about having a ‘big Black man inside of [her].’ Taken aback by Irvin’s comments, the Victim responded that his comments were inappropriate, and she did not wish to discuss it further.

“Irvin then attempted to grab the Victim’s hand again and said he was ‘sorry if he brought up bad memories’ for her.’ The Victim pulled her hand away and tried to back away from Irvin as he continued to move towards her.”

Two Marriott coworkers allegedly noticed that the female employee seemed uncomfortable. Irvin allegedly said to her that “security” had noticed him. He then offered his hand and prepared to end the interaction.

“Seeing that other Hotel employees were in the area and wanting the interaction to end, the Victim returned Irvin’s handshake,” Marriott’s lawyers wrote. “Irvin then stated that he would come back to find her sometime that week when she was working.”

As the employee walked away, Irvin allegedly “leered” at her. Then, another unnamed hotel employee approached Irvin.

“After Irvin finished leering at the Victim and turned back to Employee 1, he said aloud, ‘She bad,’ ‘She bad,’ ‘I want to hit that,’ and slapped himself in the face three times, saying, ‘Keep it together, Mike,’” Marriott’s lawyers contend."

 

[CouchCoach]

so do you think publicly is going to matter when this or if this goes to court? If the video is 90 seconds and MIke's camp shows 30 seconds, they will get crushed in the media.

The latest is it is 1.5 minutes according to Irvin's lawyer in that pc.

And if he really said what they say he did, why did she go up to him? From his "will return when you're working", I gather she was off the clock. I had wondered, from the beginning, if she was addressing him in some official capacity and they said she came from behind the desk to approach him. Why? Did she just want to meet him?

 

[CouchCoach]

How is he handling it poorly?

The Jim Crow reference at the pc was beyond poorly.

 

[CowboyFrog]

From PFT, some of it sounds pretty specific to me, doesn't really sound made up:

"Here’s an excerpt from the document posted by Gehlken:

“Irvin also reached out and touched the Victim’s arm during this conversation without her consent, causing her to step back, becoming visibly uncomfortable. Irvin then asked the Victim whether she knew anything about having a ‘big Black man inside of [her].’ Taken aback by Irvin’s comments, the Victim responded that his comments were inappropriate, and she did not wish to discuss it further.

“Irvin then attempted to grab the Victim’s hand again and said he was ‘sorry if he brought up bad memories’ for her.’ The Victim pulled her hand away and tried to back away from Irvin as he continued to move towards her.”

Two Marriott coworkers allegedly noticed that the female employee seemed uncomfortable. Irvin allegedly said to her that “security” had noticed him. He then offered his hand and prepared to end the interaction.

“Seeing that other Hotel employees were in the area and wanting the interaction to end, the Victim returned Irvin’s handshake,” Marriott’s lawyers wrote. “Irvin then stated that he would come back to find her sometime that week when she was working.”

As the employee walked away, Irvin allegedly “leered” at her. Then, another unnamed hotel employee approached Irvin.

“After Irvin finished leering at the Victim and turned back to Employee 1, he said aloud, ‘She bad,’ ‘She bad,’ ‘I want to hit that,’ and slapped himself in the face three times, saying, ‘Keep it together, Mike,’” Marriott’s lawyers contend."

Again to me this video would not need audio, why has this video not been shown to Irvin's camp, if it has and his lawyers are not moving to a plan B that is a horrible mistake.

 

[MarcusRock]

Why should they? No one else does.

You and my other fanbois follow me around engaging me in threads where I pay you no mind solely to try to "get back" at me with insults for making you look foolish in previous debates (because you dang sure aren't going to take up another debate with me given previous results, are you?). You listen to me. You listen to me very well except the voice isn't me addressing you, it comes from inside your head as your ego nurses the wounding I did to you. Some of y'all's woundings go back to conversations I had with them years ago. Imagine being that fragile that you can't let an internet squabble go after years have passed. Someone take me out of my misery if I ever get that way.

 

[Reid1boys]

Not if I don't like the loudmouth and I have been upfront about that, I flat do not like him and could seen him doing somewthing they are describing but I have not said he was guilty of it. Just that he handled it poorly and continues to do so.

and I will ask you specifically. Lets ASSUME this is exacty what Mike said to her.

Hey baby, you look might fine tonight. You want to come upstairs and let the PLAYMAKER show you how an all pro wide receiver gets down at night with a lady? Ill let you play with..... enter any vulgar word you want here. And she said no, you are a disgusting pig and I am at work. He then smiled and said, ok, ill come looking for you ina few days when you arent still working and he walked away.

Should that cost him his job? Now I wouldnt talk to anyone like that.... I dont even know how to flirt with woman Ive been with my wife so long. BUT, what is that , other than a man trying to pick up on a woman... and that happens all day everyday across this country. Should that get him fired?

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

From PFT, some of it sounds pretty specific to me, doesn't really sound made up:

"Here’s an excerpt from the document posted by Gehlken:

“Irvin also reached out and touched the Victim’s arm during this conversation without her consent, causing her to step back, becoming visibly uncomfortable. Irvin then asked the Victim whether she knew anything about having a ‘big Black man inside of [her].’ Taken aback by Irvin’s comments, the Victim responded that his comments were inappropriate, and she did not wish to discuss it further.

“Irvin then attempted to grab the Victim’s hand again and said he was ‘sorry if he brought up bad memories’ for her.’ The Victim pulled her hand away and tried to back away from Irvin as he continued to move towards her.”

Two Marriott coworkers allegedly noticed that the female employee seemed uncomfortable. Irvin allegedly said to her that “security” had noticed him. He then offered his hand and prepared to end the interaction.

“Seeing that other Hotel employees were in the area and wanting the interaction to end, the Victim returned Irvin’s handshake,” Marriott’s lawyers wrote. “Irvin then stated that he would come back to find her sometime that week when she was working.”

As the employee walked away, Irvin allegedly “leered” at her. Then, another unnamed hotel employee approached Irvin.

“After Irvin finished leering at the Victim and turned back to Employee 1, he said aloud, ‘She bad,’ ‘She bad,’ ‘I want to hit that,’ and slapped himself in the face three times, saying, ‘Keep it together, Mike,’” Marriott’s lawyers contend."

It definitely fits Michael Irvin I feel like and it’s very specific. Didn’t he even say he was drunk and doesn’t remember?

Oh well. I guess we will find out soon enough.

 

[CouchCoach]

From PFT, some of it sounds pretty specific to me, doesn't really sound made up:

"Here’s an excerpt from the document posted by Gehlken:

“Irvin also reached out and touched the Victim’s arm during this conversation without her consent, causing her to step back, becoming visibly uncomfortable. Irvin then asked the Victim whether she knew anything about having a ‘big Black man inside of [her].’ Taken aback by Irvin’s comments, the Victim responded that his comments were inappropriate, and she did not wish to discuss it further.

“Irvin then attempted to grab the Victim’s hand again and said he was ‘sorry if he brought up bad memories’ for her.’ The Victim pulled her hand away and tried to back away from Irvin as he continued to move towards her.”

Two Marriott coworkers allegedly noticed that the female employee seemed uncomfortable. Irvin allegedly said to her that “security” had noticed him. He then offered his hand and prepared to end the interaction.

“Seeing that other Hotel employees were in the area and wanting the interaction to end, the Victim returned Irvin’s handshake,” Marriott’s lawyers wrote. “Irvin then stated that he would come back to find her sometime that week when she was working.”

As the employee walked away, Irvin allegedly “leered” at her. Then, another unnamed hotel employee approached Irvin.

“After Irvin finished leering at the Victim and turned back to Employee 1, he said aloud, ‘She bad,’ ‘She bad,’ ‘I want to hit that,’ and slapped himself in the face three times, saying, ‘Keep it together, Mike,’” Marriott’s lawyers contend."

How in the hell does the bolded not get the cops involved? Unless they did not see that as a threat.

 

[MarcusRock]

not a lawyer but, if they have that evidence I would think it would be part of "Turn the video evidence over to the other side", They could do it but it would come with court problems...they may think its worth it.

Oh, if they have it, they've turned it over. It would be foolish to test the judge after what they pulled. But just like the reports Irvin's team has that showed what he was accused of and they didn't mention it in the slightest at the press conference given Mike himself previously said it was words that got him in trouble (and that Mike had been drinking earlier that they didn't address), they are not going to air video if it incriminates Mike. They'd show the "safe" stuff for their side if there are conflicting video accounts to their story.

 

[CowboyFrog]

How in the hell does the bolded not get the cops involved? Unless they did not see that as a threat.

thats what im saying, if this happened that manager has some explaining to do if I'm his employer.....

 

[Rockport]

The Jim Crow reference at the pc was beyond poorly.

Aaah, I see where you’re coming from. Shameful.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Oh, if they have it, they've turned it over. It would be foolish to test the judge after what they pulled. But just like the reports Irvin's team has that showed what he was accused of and they didn't mention it in the slightest at the press conference given Mike himself previously said it was words that got him in trouble (and that Mike had been drinking earlier that they didn't address), they are not going to air video if it incriminates Mike. They'd show the "safe" stuff for their side if there are conflicting video accounts to their story.

Thats a horrible plan though as a legal team, no way it doesnt come out. If thats the way it plays out Irvin should be punished for sure but man his legal team left him in the highway on the greyhound express lane.

 

[Creeper]

From what I read, Marriott is claiming the woman is claiming that Irvin shook her hand, and touched her forearm as he shook her hand. The woman claims Irvin said she was attractive, which she said was aggressive. She also claims Irvin asked her if she ever had sex with a black man. This is Marriott's claim from the woman.

Now the video, which Marriott has had since the night of the incident, and they have had time to study the video all this time, is not going to show what Irvin said to the woman. But it will show if he shook her hand and touched her forearm. Marriott and the woman have had ample time to prepare their stories after studying the video. Trust me, this is exactly what they have done and it is the reason they withheld the video all this time.

I am sorry, but shaking one's hand and touching the forearm is a common behavior. So is telling a woman she is attractive. It is not offensive to a reasonable person. The case comes down to the other comment and the accuser is not going to prove Irvin made the comment, although Irvin has witnesses who said the entire encounter was jovial.

The question then becomes, was it reasonable for the hotel and the woman to get Irvin's employers involved, and did he suffer damages from it? The answer to the latter part is yes. Irvin can claim he was removed from the Super Bowl (not sure if he lost any money because of it though). He can claim he suffered both monetary, known and unknown, as well as emotional pain and suffering. So the question is, was it reasonable or malicious for the woman and the hotel to get Irvin's employer's involved. In another time I would say no. That was an overreaction that hurt Irvin, present and future. But today? The way the courts have been lately, I have no idea how this will turn out. It would not shock me to see Irvin serve prison time.