Jared Allen reportedly not coming to Dallas...signing with Seattle

CooterBrown said:
Seattle has the "tax thing" as well. 7 states have no state income tax. Of those, Texas, Florida, and Washington are the only ones that have NFL teams. I have often wondered if agents use that when negotiating contracts with teams, and when playing one team against another. Disregarding federal taxes, a 10 million per year contract in Texas, Florida, or Washington, is about 9.54 in Denver.
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You're right about the 9.54 figure. But at 10M, a player would get a $625,000 paycheck after each regular season game and would be subject to tax in the state where the money is earned. So for a Cowboys player in 2014, 8 games will be played in TX, 1 in WA, 1 in TN (only taxed on investment income), and 1 in England. These 11 are not subject to state income tax. The remaining 5 games and the 1 in London are calculated below.

Rough conservative state calculations:

PA NR (apportioned) = 20,000
NJ NR (apportioned) = 39,000
MD NR = 8,000
MO NR = 56,250 (not sure if I calculated correctly)
IL NR = 31,250
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UK NR = $283,000 US dollars!!!
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CO Resident = 463,000 + whatever additional state taxes paid after credit for taxes paid to home state.

So a 10mm stated contract is about 9.56 in Texas and 9.54 in Colorado, disregarding federal taxes.

Of course you'll claim a tax treaty credit with the UK for that ridiculous amount and take a deduction for state taxes paid on your federal return, but you get the idea.
 
I don't blame him to be honest 2 8-8 seasons in a row and games against the 49ers Colts Seahawks Saints and the Cardinals coming up this season
 
barney said:
I don't blame him to be honest 2 8-8 seasons in a row and games against the 49ers Colts Seahawks Saints and the Cardinals coming up this season
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What does that have to do with anything? He is a football player not a coward. Players play for money period. How Dallas finished and who is on next year schedule has nothing to do with it. Believe or not players tend to feel they are there to make the team better.
 
Doomsday101 said:
What does that have to do with anything? He is a football player not a coward. Players play for money period. How Dallas finished and who is on next year schedule has nothing to do with it. Believe or not players tend to feel they are there to make the team better.
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I believe it matters because hes the best DE free agent available why go to Dallas when you can go to Denver, we have no potential at this moment and yeah football players are not cowards but surely you'd rather go to a team with Super Bowl potential than one thats currently going nowhere and can't even make the play offs
 
We're in a no win situation there. Either you greatly over pay for an old player who can still get to the QB or you move on knowing there are no other quality options. Your best pass rushing DE going into the draft may be George Selvie, for crying out loud.
 
NuttyRex said:
You're right about the 9.54 figure. But at 10M, a player would get a $625,000 paycheck after each regular season game and would be subject to tax in the state where the money is earned. So for a Cowboys player in 2014, 8 games will be played in TX, 1 in WA, 1 in TN (only taxed on investment income), and 1 in England. These 11 are not subject to state income tax. The remaining 5 games and the 1 in London are calculated below.

Rough conservative state calculations:

PA NR (apportioned) = 20,000
NJ NR (apportioned) = 39,000
MD NR = 8,000
MO NR = 56,250 (not sure if I calculated correctly)
IL NR = 31,250
----------
UK NR = $283,000 US dollars!!!
----------
CO Resident = 463,000 + whatever additional state taxes paid after credit for taxes paid to home state.

So a 10mm stated contract is about 9.56 in Texas and 9.54 in Colorado, disregarding federal taxes.

Of course you'll claim a tax treaty credit with the UK for that ridiculous amount and take a deduction for state taxes paid on your federal return, but you get the idea.
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That doesn't make sense to me. You would think that the player is under contract with a team in a certain state, and whatever that team pays him would be subject to taxes in the state in which the team is situated. It's not like the player is ONLY paid for the game. They also have to be at team meetings, practices, etc. in the state where the team does those things. Also, if the player is injured and doesn't make the trip out of state, he still gets a paycheck... so his paycheck is subject to different tax implications than his teammates' checks for the same time frame?

If you're a salaried employee who travels out of state for work, do you have to pay taxes on the income you make in the states you travel to?
 
barney said:
I believe it matters because hes the best DE free agent available why go to Dallas when you can go to Denver, we have no potential at this moment and yeah football players are not cowards but surely you'd rather go to a team with Super Bowl potential than one thats currently going nowhere and can't even make the play offs
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Denver was pretty much off the table when they choose to pay out the money to ware.
 
Why don't we go after a guy like Shaun Phillips? He's 34 years old but I think he had double digit sacks last year. One of the most underrated pass rushers of this generation, in my opinion. We could probably get him for very cheap on a one year deal. We just need a slew of pass rushers. So far we really only have Melton and Selvie. I don't know how well of pass rushers Crawford and Bass are. We need 7-8 guys who can apply pressure. We have 2-4 at the moment. Why don't we pick up 2 more guys in FA and 2-3 guys in the draft? We don't need to overspend on Jared Allen. Just get a proven guy like Shaun Phillips for dirt cheap.
 
Allen isn't getting what he wants, not from Dallas, not from any team. I read somewhere that teams aren't falling for his retirement threats; which they view as a scheme to get his 10-12 million per year demands.

Sorry, Jared, but the Broncos were the only team that was going to pay you like that. And the Cowboys ruined that on you by cutting Ware.
 
peplaw06 said:
That doesn't make sense to me. You would think that the player is under contract with a team in a certain state, and whatever that team pays him would be subject to taxes in the state in which the team is situated. It's not like the player is ONLY paid for the game. They also have to be at team meetings, practices, etc. in the state where the team does those things. Also, if the player is injured and doesn't make the trip out of state, he still gets a paycheck... so his paycheck is subject to different tax implications than his teammates' checks for the same time frame?

If you're a salaried employee who travels out of state for work, do you have to pay taxes on the income you make in the states you travel to?
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I would think you are right but I I'm not sure. Tax lawyer anyone?
 
JoeyBoy718 said:
Why don't we go after a guy like Shaun Phillips? He's 34 years old but I think he had double digit sacks last year. One of the most underrated pass rushers of this generation, in my opinion. We could probably get him for very cheap on a one year deal. We just need a slew of pass rushers. So far we really only have Melton and Selvie. I don't know how well of pass rushers Crawford and Bass are. We need 7-8 guys who can apply pressure. We have 2-4 at the moment. Why don't we pick up 2 more guys in FA and 2-3 guys in the draft? We don't need to overspend on Jared Allen. Just get a proven guy like Shaun Phillips for dirt cheap.
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Phillips had a good year as far as sacks go last year, but overall didn't grade out as a great pass rusher. Plus he profiles more as a 3-4 player. If the Cowboys can get him cheap then I say why not, but odds are some team will give him a respectable amount.
 
One year deal at ten million? It's an overpay but helps transition and its only a year. Wouldn't hate it as a stopgap, someone for the rookies to look at and a leader for a shaky D line and the alternatives are just not good. Any longer though...that per needs to drop a good deal. Although. if its a one year deal I would think Seattle matches or gets close and their roster beats ours easy so I don't see it getting done but I'm holding a bit of hope.
 
Corleone said:
One year deal at ten million? It's an overpay but helps transition and its only a year. Wouldn't hate it as a stopgap, someone for the rookies to look at and a leader for a shaky D line and the alternatives are just not good. Any longer though...that per needs to drop a good deal. Although. if its a one year deal I would think Seattle matches or gets close and their roster beats ours easy so I don't see it getting done but I'm holding a bit of hope.
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Didn't Seattle only offer him one year at $4 million? I honestly can't imagine why anyone would offer Ware that much more than Allen. Even when Ware was in his prime, Allen was right there with him. Their career totals are eerily similar. I think it really comes down to if you're running a 3-4 or 4-3. If you're a 4-3, go with Allen--if you're a 3-4, go with Ware.
 
The price will drop on him. My guess is he gets 3yr/24 mil offer at the most. I don't see Seattle going up a few mil a yr for him when they won it all without him and still have to pay Sherman, Wilson and Thomas.
 
Galian Beast said:
Not that many teams in the market for aging defensive ends working themselves into new systems.

I'd tell Jared Allen that I'd give him the exact same deal Peppers got, and if he takes it he takes it, if he doesn't he doesn't.
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

Peppers' deal puts money in his pocket up front while not killing the cap this year.

If he gets cut next year, the Packers eat $5 million in dead cap space.

Around here, we eat $5 million for breakfast!

And next year, we should have the cap space available to handle it.

I would be willing to offer Allen a deal similar to what Peppers got from Green Bay.
 
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