Greg Hardy and the Media

[tyke1doe]

At least Hardy hasn't eaten a kitty burger.

jk man.

You're correct in that the fans/media will flock anytime Hardy gives them any reason to. I understand that he might feel unfairly accused and/or punished (creating defiance in him)... but he needs to just stick to that "no comment" thing for now.

He's not going to be liked by saying "no comment," but it's probably the best route to go.

 

[Kaiser]

You do see the difference, though?

Of course, I'm just goofing on this whole topic because its gone beyond the point of being absurd.

But I do think you are taking a extraneous fact and using it against Hardy. The "he threw me on a bed of guns" was a lie in Holder's first story that she said didn't happen when she testified at the bench trial. The fact that we know is that at some point that day, Hardy took guns he owned legally, set them out on a futon and took a picture of them.

Is that really something we are saying NFL players can't do? IMO it would be like saying players can't date women while they play in the NFL.

 

[tyke1doe]

I guess I'm not going to get an example of how Jason Witten got physical with a coach and how he's so much like Hardy in that regard.

 

[Sasquatch]

When I saw the encounter, I looked over at my eight-year son and said "See, son, that's an example of passionate and fiery leadership. When you are angry and hyped up on emotion, that is the appropriate way of handling the situation and interacting with your coach and teammates during a game."

 

[Kaiser]

When I saw the encounter, I looked over at my eight-year son and said "See, son, that's an example of passionate and fiery leadership. When you are angry and hyped up on emotion, that is the appropriate way of handling the situation and interacting with your coach and teammates during a game."

And if you son got $578,125 every Sunday for it, you would be an awesome Father! j/k...

 

[tyke1doe]

Of course, I'm just goofing on this whole topic because its gone beyond the point of being absurd.

But I do think you are taking a extraneous fact and using it against Hardy. The "he threw me on a bed of guns" was a lie in Holder's first story that she said didn't happen when she testified at the bench trial. The fact that we know is that at some point that day, Hardy took guns he owned legally, set them out on a futon and took a picture of them.

Is that really something we are saying NFL players can't do? IMO it would be like saying players can't date women while they play in the NFL.

I'm glad you raised these points because they fit perfectly into what I'm talking about.

First, I didn't say Holder was telling the truth about Hardy throwing her on a bed of guns. However, I did say he had guns strewn on his bed. You even admit this is the case.

Second, even in that act, it says something about Hardy. Again, people just don't do things with no intention. Everything a person does says something about that person. Now, we do need to be careful how we judge others. However, when actions establish patterns, then that goes to character. Now, maybe people aren't aware of the impact their behavior has on others or the reputation it creates for themselves. But that TOO is an indication of a person, i.e., that person is socially unaware, unlearned, etc.

My point in this conversation is that Hardy has created the image by which people judge him. HE created that, and people will judge him accordingly.

Third, an NFL player can display guns, flash gang signs in pictures and even date hookers, celebrity hounds and drug addicts. But, once again, that TOO speaks about who the player is. And people will judge them accordingly based on their decisions in life, whether that's whom they associated with, whom they date, how they organize their personal life, what they share from their personal life, etc.

We ALL make such evaluations about people.

And if you don't want people to say negative things about you, you have to change the way you're perceived so that if they do say negative things, the way you live your life makes people believe it's a lie because the pattern of good you have established and the pattern of right choices you make.

That's all I'm saying. I accept Hardy as a member of the Cowboys football team because I'm a Cowboys fan. I'm not abandoning the team because Hardy is on it any more than I abandoned the team when it signed TO, whom I didn't want the Cowboys to sign. I don't need to defend Hardy and his personal life. It is what it is. But neither am I going to whine that he's being treated unfairly or complain that people are out to get him.

Maybe they are, but he gave them ammunition based on the choices he made in life.

 

[Sasquatch]

And if you son got $578,125 every Sunday for it, you would be an awesome Father! j/k...

I'm not going to touch that.

 

[Kaiser]

My point in this conversation is that Hardy has created the image by which people judge him. HE created that, and people will judge him accordingly.
.

And my point is that there is no end of that slippery slope. If Tony Romo dates movie stars, someone out there will say that he is condoning rape. If Sean Lee goes to a bar, someone will say he is condoning DUI's. There is no end to it and at some point there has to be a common sense line drawn.

And the last week is the perfect demonstration that big portions of the media aren't going to draw that line, they are going to move the line to levels that are hypocritical and insane. The media people posturing as outrageously outraged over Hardy saying "guns blazing" following a BS accusation never said a peep when the Patriots drafted Aaron Hernandez after he was a person of interest in a murder and signed his first contract with a gang tattoo on his body.

 

[SultanOfSix]

My point in this conversation is that Hardy has created the image by which people judge him. HE created that, and people will judge him accordingly.

This is not entirely true. Hardy partook in actions that garnered him certain image created by elements external to himself. How that "image" is defined, reinforced, and repeated, is strongly determined by the media.

Malcolm X said: "The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses."

 

[WoodysGirl]

I guess I'm not going to get an example of how Jason Witten got physical with a coach and how he's so much like Hardy in that regard.

I guess this was what it was being referred to.

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/jason-witten-cowboys-coach-mike-pope-sidelines-video/248617

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4737558/jason-witten-sideline-shouting-no-big-deal

And for the record, I don't have a problem with this either. Ish happens on the sidelines.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I agree with most of what your saying. The you think he did it part I don't roll with esp since to my knowledge nobody on here or anywhere can produce anything that could sway my mind. I don't mean just he was found originally guilty either because that's flimsy too. If you need an example see OJ verdict to see how too many people really use guilty or innocent verdicts. Everything else I can agree with enough not to have problems worth mentioning

I believe he did it because I tend to believe law enforcement. There's always exceptions, but in my experience if law enforcement says something went on and they fully believe it happened, then it's usually true.

But like I mentioned, I believe in giving people *multiple* chances if I think they can use them to turn their life around and be a productive, law abiding citizen. It still beats the alternative. And I think players should be suspended for 1-year. Not so much for pure punishment purposes, but to give them time to work on themselves. The CBA won't allow for it. And it goes for the Ray Rice's, Adrian Peterson's and Ray McDonald's of the world as well.

This is unlike the media which likes to pick and choose who to go after depending on what can give them the most Web site clicks, TV/radio ratings and subscription buys.







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[Sasquatch]

Malcolm X said: "“The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses.”

Malcolm clearly never read this board because the outpouring of support that Hardy has received here suggests that the Media's power is limited.

By the way, I agree with the quote to a degree, although I am in the camp that Hardy's statements, self-evidently maladroit, have contributed to the frenzy.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Malcolm clearly never read this board because the outpouring of support that Hardy has received here suggests that the Media's power is limited.

I don't know if it's necessarily "support" as much as it is anti-the extreme lengths the media has gone to vilify him for these actions.

By the way, I agree with the quote to a degree, although I am in the camp that Hardy's statements, self-evidently maladroit, have contributed to the frenzy.

The internet and social media is a great thing. The good thing about it is it has given everyone a voice. The bad thing about it is it has given everyone a voice. It has somewhat limited the power of a centrally and corporate controlled media and has extended free press.

 

[Kaiser]

By the way, I agree with the quote to a degree, although I am in the camp that Hardy's statements, self-evidently maladroit, have contributed to the frenzy.

Troy Hambrick just called and said "What do maladroit mean"?

Its funny because the discussion is about Hardy's judgement when so much of this is being driven by people like Skip Bayless, who has to take off his shoes and socks to count higher than 10.

One of my favorite stories about David Robinson of the NBA was in his rookie year. The Spurs were down in the first half and had a big comeback that was lead by Robinson on defense. He was asked by the media pool about blocking five shots in the second half. Robinson said "Well, I didn't want them to drive the lane with impunity".

There was a long pause of blank stares from the reporters. Then Robinson said "I... M... P....U... N... I... T..Y". He had to spell it because none of the reporters even knew what the word meant.

And we are all reacting to that crowd freaking out over Hardy and an incident the team doesn't care about.

 

[31smackdown]

Hardy is the new TO, NFL Media Villian #1 . We should all be used to this by now. They have been doing the same thing with Dez since he got here. This is the Dallas Cowboys, the number 1 fan franchise in terms of viewers/readers. There will always be news good and bad every week on this team by national media. This is easy ratings/clicks for these guys when you give them something as simple to write about as this. They love to stir the pot, create additional controversy, etc.. When they do this they get all the fans annoyed and all the haters engaged as well, double bonus for them. Sadly it's mostly all a fake sensationalized spewing of garbage that grabs reaction of a large audience, which is all they care about. Some take it a bit far, due to their own personal bias or for shock value, but again, it's nothing new. When it goes nowhere, then they start attacking the organization for not taking actions, like this is some sort of public court run by a media jury. Some portion turn into a cranky mob because they want to think they have some power to influence decisions of others if they cry loud enough or in some cases seek personal attention as a form of self promotion. Social media only heightens this whole disorder by giving anyone a place to voice their opinion as the internet tough guys. Sadly its a self fulfilling prophecy. The cycle just feeds itself.

Bottom line, if this is not the Dallas Cowboys, the story is buried already. If Greg Hardy was playing for Carolina, they would show the clip and have a 5 minute segment and be done with it. But it's Dallas,so easy ratings all week. Don't worry, if it didn't happen, they would be talking about the downfall. failure and desperation of the team and how they are doomed with no hope and everything is wrong and everyone should be fired, being 1 game out of first place in a very mediocre division. They just had a more juicy story this week. They are hoping to save the doom and gloom for next week. This is why most fans don't bother to watch those shows anymore, it's all fabricated drama that has nothing to do with football and everything to do with getting the most eyeballs,clicks and responses.

 

[tyke1doe]

This is not entirely true. Hardy partook in actions that garnered him certain image created by elements external to himself. How that "image" is defined, reinforced, and repeated, is strongly determined by the media.

Regardless, Hardy has to provide the media with images. The media as an industry and as a form of communications merely captures what he allows them to. He chose to display his weapons for the world to see. He chose to blow up on the sidelines. He chose to date a woman who was a drug addict.

Second, Hardy has to be incredibly naïve or socially unaware if he thinks the portrayal of guns in the manner in which he displayed them isn't going to generate a certain negative reaction from the public when they are presented in the media.

At some point, you have to know the culture you operate in and adjust accordingly.

Malcolm X said: "The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses."

That may be true, but we feed the media. You're not going to find any pictures of me naked on the Internet (thank goodness for my sake and yours. ) because I don't take such pictures. Now, if someone photoshopped my head on someone else's body, that's one thing and, indeed, it wouldn't be my fault. But if I took those pictures, and they made their way onto the Internet, I am culpable to a degree.

 

[tyke1doe]

I guess this was what it was being referred to.

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/jason-witten-cowboys-coach-mike-pope-sidelines-video/248617

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4737558/jason-witten-sideline-shouting-no-big-deal

And for the record, I don't have a problem with this either. Ish happens on the sidelines.

Unfortunately, I'm at work and can't watch a video because of restrictions. Can you tell me if Witten put his hands on the coach?
Thanks.

 

[Kaiser]

Regardless, Hardy has to provide the media with images. The media as an industry and as a form of communications merely captures what he allows them to.

Skip Bayless just reported that Greg Hardy has gone blind and will be forced to retire.

https://encrypted-tbn0.***NOT-ALLOWED***/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR-vtZctUJ7R4OyhZheHo3NvwXfaEACCV5Wc6NGqnwsZxc9R0-c

 

[tyke1doe]

Skip Bayless just reported that Greg Hardy has gone blind and will be forced to retire.

https://encrypted-tbn0.***NOT-ALLOWED***/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR-vtZctUJ7R4OyhZheHo3NvwXfaEACCV5Wc6NGqnwsZxc9R0-c

 

[Hawkeye19]

and what workplace are you going to put on TV and watch to see WHAT people do to their bosses? if someone put that channel up would he really watch it?

no.

so the entire point is stupid. (not you - the original thought of this junk)

So-- no standards for behavior in the NFL? Just b/c it's a testosterone filled GAME that is violent-- off the field, locker room violence should be accepted. Got it.