Greg Hardy and the Media

[tyke1doe]

Did Hardy? Point is they were comparable antics.

You're trying to sidestep my question and the statement you made. Let me refresh your memory. This is what you said.

Witten is the most intense guy with his helmet on. When he comes off the field he's a teddy bear but on it he's not a guy to be trifled with in the moment. And he (WITTEN) got into it physically with a coach last year.

You said Witten got physical with a coach. I asked you if this is true and if so, how did Witten get physical.

You're now trying to deflect, but you have basically sullied Witten's character by making an unsubstantiated claim that he got physical with a coach.

So I'm asking you to provide greater definition since you made the claim. How did Witten get physical with a coach?

 

[gambit187]

People all in an uproar over Greg Hardy are the same people that should be in uproar over the way the Police officer in SC , yoked slammed and pulled that teenage girl out of her chair in Spring Valley High.

 

[tyke1doe]

Do you not see that Hardy is the innocent victim here?

Innocent victim? Innocent of what? I'm not speaking about whether he struck a coach. I'm talking about his reputation and how others perceive him.

Reputation goes beyond law. You may very well be innocent, but if you live a life that people question, they're going to believe the life you've shown them up to that point.

 

[Sasquatch]

Innocent victim? Innocent of what? I'm not speaking about whether he struck a coach. I'm talking about his reputation and how others perceive him.

Reputation goes beyond law. You may very well be innocent, but if you live a life that people question, they're going to believe the life you've shown them up to that point.

Forgive me for not making the sarcasm of my statement more readily apparent. I actually concurred with the quoted post of yours.

 

[tyke1doe]

People all in an uproar over Greg Hardy are the same people that should be in uproar over the way the Police officer in SC , yoked slammed and pulled that teenage girl out of her chair in Spring Valley High.

First, how do you know they're not?

Second, the topic of this discussion is Hardy, not the girl slammed by a police officer in South Carolina.

Third, it is possible to be upset at many different things yet only discuss one of them because of the context of the discussion. We're on a Cowboys forum, discussing that which pertains to the Cowboys. Why would we be talking about other injustices in the world? I would assume people would discuss those in the appropriate forums or those dedicated to such. It would be just as odd to go to a message board talking about police brutality and discuss this issue related to Greg Hardy.

 

[tyke1doe]

Forgive me for not making the sarcasm of my statement more readily apparent. I actually concurred with the quoted post of yours.

Fair enough. I get too dependent on smiley faces and emoticons.

 

[burmafrd]

Everything is not judged on "legality". You can be reckless and still be legal.
Again, whether you like it or not, the image of a person with guns strewn on a bed suggests a "gansta" image. You couple that with other behavior and lapses in judgment Hardy has displayed, no wonder people question him.
Look, I'm not arguing whether Hardy should or shouldn't be a Cowboy. He is.
My point is fans seem some stunned and irritated that the media are criticizing Hardy. Well, duh!
Hardy's background and reputation have led to this point. He has to understand this, and our fans do too.
And the media are not going to stop shining the spotlight on him. So he either changes his ways or gets used to the intense scrutiny about his behavior.

and once again you bow down and worship the idiots and mediots Just because they portray it as such means nothing

 

[CowboyGil]

I heard Moose on The Fan yesterday and he said he had no problem whatsoever with the way the team handled it. He said that's the way it should be handled, with the team circling the wagons. He said the media and the fans think they have a right to know what went on and what was said, but they don't.It's team business and will be handled by the team.All that being said, he didn't agree with Hardy's actions in confronting Rich Bisaccia. It's amazing how a guy who was so physically brutal at times in his career is such an intelligent, thoughtful and articulate individual as an analyst.

 

[Clarkson]

What's not to understand? What workplace can you show up and get into a physical altercation with one of your bosses?

this is such a dumb thing to say.
what workplace is like an NFL locker room? literally only an NFL locker room is even remotely similar to an NFL locker room.

at what work place do you get to tackle your co-workers?!?!?! the NFL should be abolished!!

in what workplace do you get to shoot rubber at your co-worker?! get rid of the NHL!

 

[Clarkson]

Being a great player doesn't give you the right to be an ***hole.

actually, it pretty much always has, for a crap ton of great players in every sport.

 

[tyke1doe]

and once again you bow down and worship the idiots and mediots Just because they portray it as such means nothing

Apparently, it means something otherwise this post wouldn't have been offered, and you wouldn't be in here complaining about those idiots and people you think are bowing down to them - whatever that means.

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[Kaiser]

His lack of judgment can be seen in how he cavalierly displayed guns in his home,

Godwin's Law is that if an Internet argument goes on long enough someone will be called Hitler.

Hardy's Law is that if a Cowboys argument goes on long enough, Greg Hardy will be criticized for how he made his bed that morning.

 

[Philmonroe]

There's a lack of consistency when it comes to the media on Hardy.

I have said from the get-go that I believe in giving people multiple chances and that a guy like Hardy (or Ray Rice) should sit out a year which Hardy did indeed do.

It would be nice if the media would just say what they mean by all of this....we hate Greg Hardy because he's a great player that is playing for the Cowboys. And if he was playing anywhere else like Green Bay (who had a violent felon in Johnny Jolly playing for them), San Francisco (who had a violent woman beater in Ray McDonald) or Oakland (who has a violent, repeat criminal offender in Aldon Smith playing for them) it would not be a big deal.

We don't see sit down, roundtable discussions on ESPN when Ray McDonald is allowed to play or Aldon Smith is gleefully picked up by the Raiders. Even the Adrian Peterson case didn't get this attention and the public saw the photos of him viciously beating his children (yes, my parents spanked me and my dad did kick my butt a time or two, but they never left marks on me). Nope....just business as usual for the Purple Jesus in Minnesota. In fact, the only real controversy with Peterson was if he had illegally discussed with Jerry Jones in being traded for.

The real frauds here is the media. They pick and choose their outrage to suit what will garner them the most readers, the best ratings and the most Twitter followers. They know there are plenty of fans that detest the Cowboys and hate the fact that they signed a great player that might even be the missing piece to the puzzle. So, he's an easy and convenient target.

And before anybody takes it out of context...again, I said that Hardy should be suspended for a year because I believe he did it and I find domestic abuse to be revolting. It's about being consistent with your outrage and that's how I feel about the Greg Hardy's, the Ray Rice's, the Ray McDonald's, and Aldon Smith's of the world regardless of where they happen to play.






YR

I agree with most of what your saying. The you think he did it part I don't roll with esp since to my knowledge nobody on here or anywhere can produce anything that could sway my mind. I don't mean just he was found originally guilty either because that's flimsy too. If you need an example see OJ verdict to see how too many people really use guilty or innocent verdicts. Everything else I can agree with enough not to have problems worth mentioning

 

[silver]

The media is trying hard to get Hardy suspended or punished. It's clear to me he's been identified as the one game changer this team has solely missed for so long. Even today they had the comish on Mike & Mike and they asked him if he would intervene. They couldnt be more transparent.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

This was my whole problem with what Hardy did this past weekend and the week before with the Giselle comments. Most still view him as a domestic abuser that got away clean and this gives them the ability to revisit how much of a scumbag they think he is. This will happen every single week that Hardy gives them an opening and no one should be surprised.

 

[iceberg]

this is such a dumb thing to say.
what workplace is like an NFL locker room? literally only an NFL locker room is even remotely similar to an NFL locker room.

at what work place do you get to tackle your co-workers?!?!?! the NFL should be abolished!!

in what workplace do you get to shoot rubber at your co-worker?! get rid of the NHL!

and what workplace are you going to put on TV and watch to see WHAT people do to their bosses? if someone put that channel up would he really watch it?

no.

so the entire point is stupid. (not you - the original thought of this junk)

 

[Kaiser]

Even today they had the comish on Mike & Mike and they asked him if he would intervene.

"And a follow up question Commissioner Goodell, when you meet with Tom Brady, do you ever get lost in his dreamy eyes and rugged good looks?"

 

[silver]

"And a follow up question Commissioner Goodell, when you meet with Tom Brady, do you ever get lost in his dreamy eyes and rugged good looks?"

LOL

 

[AsthmaField]

This was my whole problem with what Hardy did this past weekend and the week before with the Giselle comments. Most still view him as a domestic abuser that got away clean and this gives them the ability to revisit how much of a scumbag they think he is. This will happen every single week that Hardy gives them an opening and no one should be surprised.

At least Hardy hasn't eaten a kitty burger.

jk man.

You're correct in that the fans/media will flock anytime Hardy gives them any reason to. I understand that he might feel unfairly accused and/or punished (creating defiance in him)... but he needs to just stick to that "no comment" thing for now.

 

[tyke1doe]

Godwin's Law is that if an Internet argument goes on long enough someone will be called Hitler.

Hardy's Law is that if a Cowboys argument goes on long enough, Greg Hardy will be criticized for how he made his bed that morning.

You do see the difference, though? Calling a person "Hitler" is inaccurate, especially if that person isn't committing mass murder. Saying Hardy adorned his bed with guns is an accurate statement. Furthermore, I'm not of the mindset that people just "do" things with no connection to life.
What people do is a product of who they are. In fact, EVERYTHING a person does says something about him or her.

And I think it's wise when a person shows us who he/ she is, and it establishes a pattern of behavior, we ought to believe him/her.

I call that the FACTS OF LIFE.