Finding a Franchise QB

[Verdict]

I think they are saying we could have drafted Brees in the first round. But the same logic also applies to Tom Brady, or Russell Wilson, or Tony Romo for that matter.

 

[Nightman]

Brees was a 2nd round draft pick.

He could have been our first if we didn't trade our 2 to SEA for Joey Galloway because JJones wanted to get Aikman another weapon before he retired.

JJones didn't cut Aikman. We were destroyed when he had to retire because of the hits. It killed us on the salary cap.

 

[Verdict]

He could have been our first if we didn't trade our 2 to SEA for Joey Galloway because JJones wanted to get Aikman another weapon before he retired.

JJones didn't cut Aikman. We were destroyed when he had to retire because of the hits. It killed us on the salary cap.

Actually you are revising history. Aikman was cut. In fact Aikman wanted to play for another team, and looked for suitors and then chose to retire because no opportunity arose.

 

[Galian Beast]

He could have been our first if we didn't trade our 2 to SEA for Joey Galloway because JJones wanted to get Aikman another weapon before he retired.

JJones didn't cut Aikman. We were destroyed when he had to retire because of the hits. It killed us on the salary cap.

Aikman didn't just retire. He thought about playing for another team after he was released.

Jones made the right decision regarding Galloway, it just didn't work out.

Drew Brees would not have been on your radar at all. Extremely undersized QB, not highly sought after either. Which furthers my point as well.

 

[Galian Beast]

I think they are saying we could have drafted Brees in the first round. But the same logic also applies to Tom Brady, or Russell Wilson, or Tony Romo for that matter.

That's what we call revisionist history.

The fact is if you look at all the 1st round draft picks we could have drafted since Aikman was drafted, none of them would have saved this team. Not a single one...

 

[Nightman]

That's what we call revisionist history.

The fact is if you look at all the 1st round draft picks we could have drafted since Aikman was drafted, none of them would have saved this team. Not a single one...

We passed twice on Aaron Rodgers in 2005

 

[Stash]

I would apply that the a rookie quarterback, but I would say that a rookie quarterback comes with a big disadvantage which is lack of experience, and that the biggest benefit of a rookie quarterback is their rookie contract, which is pretty useless if they're sitting on the bench.

I'd say the biggest benefit of a rookie quarterback is not being one of the NFL's have-nots, scrambling around after mediocre disappointments like Sam Bradford for $18 million a season.

You keep wanting to advocate 'just get one later' while a mountain of evidence says you don't get them later. And everything in today's NFL shows everyone wiling to listen that quarterback is far and away the most valuable and most difficult position to obtain. Kaepernick, Dalton, and Tannehill are getting $100 million contracts! Kirk Cousins will make $19 million for one season! And yet some people think they can just 'get one later'.

We are now in position to do get one for the future and some people want to 'pass' for a position that we can get on day one of free agency.

Where's the starting quarterback to get?

 

[Stash]

I'm not sure about 6-7 years, but it definitely does set you back usually at least 3 or 4 years, not to mention as he said, you miss out on that franchise player.

I've always maintained that if the Cowboys had drafted steven jackson instead of trading down that we would have won a super bowl, if not multiple super bowls.

How many years did it set this franchise back not having the quarterback when Aikman retired?

 

[Galian Beast]

We passed twice on Aaron Rodgers in 2005

We already had Romo by then...

 

[Galian Beast]

I'd say the biggest benefit of a rookie quarterback is not being one of the NFL's have-nots, scrambling around after mediocre disappointments like Sam Bradford for $18 million a season.

You keep wanting to advocate 'just get one later' while a mountain of evidence says you don't get them later. And everything in today's NFL shows everyone wiling to listen that quarterback is far and away the most valuable and most difficult position to obtain. Kaepernick, Dalton, and Tannehill are getting $100 million contracts! Kirk Cousins will make $19 million for one season! And yet some people think they can just 'get one later'.

We are now in position to do get one for the future and some people want to 'pass' for a position that we can get on day one of free agency.

Where's the starting quarterback to get?

You must have forgot the team that actually drafted Bradford...

 

[LatinMind]

For this exercise what I'm going to do is list all the QBs who won a super bowl and how their team obtained them.

1. Peyton Manning - Free Agency
2. Tom Brady - 6th round draft pick
3. Russell Wilson - 3rd round draft pick
4. Joe Flacco - 18th overall
5. Eli Manning - 1st overall
6. Aaron Rodgers - 24th overall
7. Drew Brees - Free Agency
8. Ben Roethlisberger - 11th overall
9. Eli Manning - 1st overall
10. Peyton Manning - 1st overall
11. Ben Roethlisberger - 11th overall
12. Tom Brady - 6th round draft pick
13. Tom Brady - 6th round draft pick
14. Brad Johnson - 9th round draft pick
15. Tom Brady - 6th round draft pick

Of the last 15 super bowl winning QBs seven were drafted in the first round by the team that drafted them, but that also complicates things. Only 5 of them are were individual winners and only two of them were top 10 picks.

My point is that there are a lot of ways to get the right quarterback and this idea that it has to be a top 5 or 10 pick doesn't really cut mustard. People are obsessed with the idea, even though most of these QBs drafted are busts.

I think we already have a franchise quarterback who best represents our chances at winning and to best his chances we need to create a team around him that is of high quality, which in term also helps any quarterback you try to develop after him. I would say the common theme for almost all of these teams is that they had great defenses or extremely explosive offenses (or both).

Let's say Romo retires in two years and he doesn't play the 4-5 that Jerry Jones suggests he could play. There will be options available just as there was for the Giants and Cardinals when they each got Kurt Warner, or the Broncos who got Peyton Manning, or the Saints who got Drew Brees, or Arizona who got Carson Palmer.

Don't forget the context of the history we've had at the QB position. We didn't struggle to find a QB for so long just because we waited until Aikman retired. We struggled because we didn't put many resources into finding one, and because the teams we had were garbage and didn't support a QB.

One arugment will be that we won't or shouldn't be so high in the draft again. So you're telling me that you wouldn't support trading up for a QB you really thought was a franchise QB? I'd give up 2 first round draft picks for such a QB. I think drafting a QB I don't really believe in at 4 is much worse than giving up 2 picks for one that I do believe in and that goes for a straight up trade or going after a franchised QB as well. Not to mention there is usually someone in free agency.

I wish people would stop using the aikman Era to justify taking a QB at 4. That was a different Era of Football where you actually had to be a damn good QB. With todays rules you can be an average QB on a good team and you can go far. Im sorry but Brees was garbage until he went to the spread in NO. Peyton couldnt win against the best defenses in the NFL until the NFL put in the rule specifically because of what NE did to him and his WRs. In todays game you can get a QB who fits your scheme later in the draft and you can win because the NFL wants offenses to win.

 

[Galian Beast]

How many years did it set this franchise back not having the quarterback when Aikman retired?

Again, what QB in the first round (where we picked) would you have tried to get his replacement?

If you look at the actual options, you would have seen it would have made things worse for us.

 

[Stash]

Aikman didn't just retire. He thought about playing for another team after he was released.

Jones made the right decision regarding Galloway, it just didn't work out.

Brilliance. It didn't fail, it just didn't succeed...

Drew Brees would not have been on your radar at all. Extremely undersized QB, not highly sought after either. Which furthers my point as well.

Which point does that "further"? The point that you don't know what you're talking about?

That point is well established.

 

[Galian Beast]

Brilliance. It didn't fail, it just didn't succeed...



Which point does that "further"? The point that you don't know what you're talking about?

That point is well established.

My point is all these QBs you want in the first round, usually don't pan out.

Something can be the right move and not work. Seems like you aren't a very nuanced thinker.

 

[Stash]

We already had Romo by then...

Unproven and on the bench!

You want to accuse other people of "revisionist history" when that's your first and only tactic.

Romo had done nothing in 2005 when Aaron Rodgers was available and Parcells and this team was still trying to get what they would out of Drew Bledsoe.

For as good as the Cowboys' 2005 draft was, passing on Aaron Rodgers twice was a monumental blunder.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

My point is all these QBs you want in the first round, usually don't pan out.

Something can be the right move and not work. Seems like you aren't a very nuanced thinker.

Or any other position.

 

[Galian Beast]

Unproven and on the bench!

You want to accuse other people of "revisionist history" when that's your first and only tactic.

Romo had done nothing in 2005 when Aaron Rodgers was available and Parcells and this team was still trying to get what they would out of Drew Bledsoe.

For as good as the Cowboys' 2005 draft was, passing on Aaron Rodgers twice was a monumental blunder.

Aaron Rodgers wasn't highly sought after, and certainly wasn't drafted in the top 5.

Almost every team by your definition made that blunder. They got DeMarcus Ware, who I would put right along with Rodgers actually.

 

[Galian Beast]

Or any other position.

I know you aren't reading the whole thread, but I've made that point.

Every position you have has risks, but this is the only position people are actually suggesting taking a pick for someone who has risks and will be sitting on the bench rather than contributing day one...

 

[Stash]

My point is all these QBs you want in the first round, usually don't pan out.

Something can be the right move and not work. Seems like you aren't a very nuanced thinker.

And your "point" is wrong. Invalidated by much better data than you have tried to present.

22 of the 32 starters in 2015 were first round draft picks.

Again, I gave you a much better, more researched, and more comprehensive study on the entire debate. One which renders your entire case moot, you just choose to pretend it doesn't exist.

 

[Stash]

Aaron Rodgers wasn't highly sought after, and certainly wasn't drafted in the top 5.

He absolutely was highly sought after. He was one of the top two quarterbacks going into that draft. His fall was a shock to everyone. Do your homework and stop with the 'revisionist history' you like accusing others of.

Almost every team by your definition made that blunder.

Yes, they did. And all certainly admit it.

They got DeMarcus Ware, who I would put right along with Rodgers actually.

And Marcus Spears, who never played up to being a first round draft pick. Unless you'd care to try to make the case that he was a better pick? That should be a hoot!