Dak Prescott is better than Derek Carr and it’s not even close

[windjc]

Nope.
The Raiders had the better receivers, although even that's a push.
The Cowboys clearly had the better run game, tight end and offensive line.

NO. The RAIDERS HAD A BETTER PASS PROTECTION %. This fact is confirmed by stats.

 

[Plumfool]

Was the Raiders offensive line better than the Cowboys'?
Was the Raiders featured running back better than the Cowboys'?
Was the Raiders tight end better than the Cowboys'?
Were the Raiders receivers better than the Cowboys'?

If the Cowboys had the better unit in three of those categories, then the supporting casts weren't the same.

I'll argue that's it's split. Raiders oline could be considered better statistically. And their receivers as a whole are better imo.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

As anyone denying that Dak had a better rookie season than Carr?

You might want to take the time to read through the posts before responding. You're either incapable of comprehending what I'm posting or incapable of a discussion free of strawmen. Because no one is arguing that and I'm not either.

 

[erod]

NO. The RAIDERS HAD A BETTER PASS PROTECTION %. This fact is confirmed by stats.

Lol.

So they played the same schedule against the same defenses and the same quarterbacks?

Stats are mostly useless.

 

[diefree666]

I'll argue that's it's split. Raiders oline could be considered better statistically. And their receivers as a whole are better imo.

If the discussion is about rookie years then Dak had a much better one with a much better team

 

[Shuff]

Tough one. Today Carr is the better player and has a better arm, who knows what happens in the future. If they wanted to trade Carr for Prescott right now.....don't know what I would do, I would probably not do it because of the chemistry Dak already has with the team, but Carr is a damn good QB.

 

[tyke1doe]

I'll argue that's it's split. Raiders oline could be considered better statistically. And their receivers as a whole are better imo.

Statistically?
It seems to be a slam dunk from NFL commentators, players and fans alike that the Cowboys had the better offensive line. The Titans were considered to have had the best line after the Cowboys.

 

[Plumfool]

If the discussion is about rookie years then Dak had a much better one with a much better team

The author is comparing 2016.

 

[tyke1doe]

NO. The RAIDERS HAD A BETTER PASS PROTECTION %. This fact is confirmed by stats.

But that may be a product of how quickly Carr got the ball out of his hand too.

 

[Plumfool]

Statistically?
It seems to be a slam dunk from NFL commentators, players and fans alike that the Cowboys had the better offensive line. The Titans were considered to have had the best line after the Cowboys.

And we all well know that a meme has its own lifeforce facts be darned.

 

[tyke1doe]

You might want to take the time to read through the posts before responding. You're either incapable of comprehending what I'm posting or incapable of a discussion free of strawmen. Because no one is arguing that and I'm not either.

So questions scare you?
I don't have to read the entire thread (although I read most of it) to ask you a question.

 

[tyke1doe]

And we all well know that a meme has its own lifeforce facts be darned.

But we also know that facts don't tell the entire story as facts have to be interpreted too. Shrug.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Tough one. Today Carr is the better player and has a better arm, who knows what happens in the future. If they wanted to trade Carr for Prescott right now.....don't know what I would do, I would probably not do it because of the chemistry Dak already has with the team, but Carr is a damn good QB.

Better player based on what?

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Lol.

So they played the same schedule against the same defenses and the same quarterbacks?

Stats are mostly useless.

You're going to want to find another angle. The Raiders play in the pass rushers division and still were substantially better at pass protection. Stats are useless for people who can't understand them and don't like how they contradict preconceived notions they've chosen to annoy everyone with. I can see why they'd upset you.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

If the discussion is about rookie years then Dak had a much better one with a much better team

Lolz. You mean mea culpa

 

[Plumfool]

But we also know that facts don't tell the entire story as facts have to be interpreted too. Shrug.

I'll agree to that however saying that Cowboys oline is definitely better while ignoring facts is imo poor form. Not saying you are.

 

[tyke1doe]

Better player based on what?

More years of playing the quarterback position.
At this point, Dak is still an unknown. He had a great rookie season - no question. But he'll need to build consistency, something Carr has already done and Dak hasn't.
If Dak has a great year this year, I'm ready to move him up the ranks, maybe above Carr given what Carr does this year. But I can't put him up there yet.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

So questions scare you?
I don't have to read the entire thread (although I read most of it) to ask you a question.

No you don't. You just have to do so to not ask leading questions that no one is arguing for. You've made your choice.

 

[tyke1doe]

I'll agree to that however saying that Cowboys oline is definitely better while ignoring facts is imo poor form. Not saying you are.

Fair enough.
But is this considered facts?
Ranking all 32 NFL offensive lines this season

 

[tyke1doe]

No you don't. You just have to do so to not ask leading questions that no one is arguing for. You've made your choice.

You can simply say, "I've already answered those questions." But it's okay. I'm not worked up about it. You shouldn't be either. Peace.