MLB Offseason thread

[ABQCOWBOY]

I could not agree less. The local fans have zero reasons to attend games anymore, Stanton was it as far as I was concerned. This feels like the ultimate bait and switch. If you cant afford it, dont buy it.

OK, but how is that Jeter's fault? Miami could not keep him. I mean, it's really that simple so you get young, you shed cap and you build for the future. How else are you gonna do it?

 

[Trouty]

Well, that is possible for sure. However, if they win a few Championships, they will likely be OK with it. If they don't, it will suck but that's the chance you take I suppose.

I mean that is why the Marlins got what they got for him right? There is an out clause in 2020 I believe and the Marlins are paying for some of his Salary so we would have to know what that amount looks like before you can really understand how big the cap hit is, going forward. He is 25 Mil next season and 26 Mil in 2019. How much of that the Yankees are on the hook for, I don't know.

Of course, sir. If they win even one Chip it was worth it.

I've actually been watching MLBTV this morning and reading more about Stanton. Him going to the Al East was a great move for him. TB, BOS, NYY are all major hitting parks.

Still, this really handcuffs them for obtaining a SP unless they move a contract or two and trade some their farm. Haven't seen the full package that landed Stanton.

He ruined his chances at further MVPs by playing in the AL with Trout. @MichaelWinicki

 

[Nightman]

It’s not the AAV of Stanton’s contract, it’s the term. You guys will regret it in time and he will be unmovable like Albert, IMO

Those were some great tweets, guys lol

The are getting 30m back from MIA so for Luxury Tax purposes the deal is worth 22.6m a year

That is steal and when you deduct Castro's 8.5m that is a net of 14m

He has an opt out after 2020 and no one cares if years 8-10 suck if they get 2-3 more rings

 

[Nightman]

Judge had some injury issues post All-Star game, which helps explain the drop-off until September.

Still not sure the guy is needed.

Would rather have a dependable starter.

In addition the Yankees are trying to stay under the tax threshold. You commit $20 M a season (or so to this guy for the next upteen years) that's going to take away the ability to use that other money on other needed resources.

The Yankees suffered with some leaner years recently because of contracts like this.

They can now trade Gardner for prospects and salary relief 13m
They can trade Ellsbury for a bad contract SP like Cueto, Samardijza or JZimmerman

That would leave them with
Severino
Tanaka
SGray
JMontgomery
JSamardijza

Hicks- CF (backed up by Clint Frazier)
Judge- RF
Didi- SS
Stanton- LF
Sanchez- C
Bird- 1B
CHeadley- 3B
MAdams- DH (or Logan Morrison or Adam Lind)
Gleybar Torres- 2B (#1 prospect in MLB)

 

[Nightman]

OK, but how is that Jeter's fault? Miami could not keep him. I mean, it's really that simple so you get young, you shed cap and you build for the future. How else are you gonna do it?

They have Yelich, Ozuna, Bour, Castro to build with

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Of course, sir. If they win even one Chip it was worth it.

I've actually been watching MLBTV this morning and reading more about Stanton. Him going to the Al East was a great move for him. TB, BOS, NYY are all major hitting parks.

Still, this really handcuffs them for obtaining a SP unless they move a contract or two and trade some their farm. Haven't seen the full package that landed Stanton.

He ruined his chances at further MVPs by playing in the AL with Trout. @MichaelWinicki

You are right about the AL East. He hit 59 playing in a park that is really not all that friendly for the long ball. Hitting in Yankee Stadium could be really good for him. He is protected, up and down the lineup, by guys who are all capable of taking you deep so he will probably see more pitches then he did in Miami. See if it all works I guess.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

They have Yelich, Ozuna, Bour, Castro to build with

And they will have a lot of young prospects to develop but this time, I don't think you will see the typical rinse and repeat with talent, like we've seen in the past, in Miami. I just think that none of this was Jeter's fault. Most of those deals were done before he was ever involved so now, he's got a job in front of him. He has to rebuild and all of those bad deals need to be taken off the books.

That's just what I think.

 

[RS12]

They have Yelich, Ozuna, Bour, Castro to build with

Except reports are they definitely getting rid of Ozuna and likely Yelich.

 

[RS12]

OK, but how is that Jeter's fault? Miami could not keep him. I mean, it's really that simple so you get young, you shed cap and you build for the future. How else are you gonna do it?

Come on man, I already said if you cant afford it, dont buy it. They obviously got a look at the books before hand, knew expenses, cash flow, etc. The team was bought on borrowed money by people who seem to be living the billionaire version of hand to mouth. MLB never should have let these guys have the team. This is Frank McCourt all over again.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Come on man, I already said if you cant afford it, dont buy it. They obviously got a look at the books before hand, knew expenses, cash flow, etc. The team was bought on borrowed money by people who seem to be living the billionaire version of hand to mouth. MLB never should have let these guys have the team. This is Frank McCourt all over again.

And I asked you how that is Jeter's fault. He isn't buying cause he can't afford it. That's exactly what's going on.

 

[RS12]

And I asked you how that is Jeter's fault. He isn't buying cause he can't afford it. That's exactly what's going on.

And neither can the guys whose money he is using. There in lies the problem.

 

[Ghost12]

I'd like to say the Yankees raped the Marlins in this deal, but you can't really call it rape when the owner of the Marlins so eagerly bent over and spread his cheeks for them.

The Commissioner should void this deal (but he won't). What a joke.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And neither can the guys whose money he is using. There in lies the problem.

I don't understand this point at all. What are you trying to say here? He isn't spending money he doesn't have, just like you want and he is trying to land quality prospects that will eventually turn into good young players with manageable cap numbers. How is any of that not what you want? I don't get it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'd like to say the Yankees raped the Marlins in this deal, but you can't really call it rape when the owner of the Marlins so eagerly bent over and spread his cheeks for them.

The Commissioner should void this deal (but he won't). What a joke.

On what grounds should he or can he void this deal?

 

[Ghost12]

On what grounds should he or can he void this deal?

Best interest of baseball based on how corrupt it is that an ex-Yankee bends over and lets his former team rape the city of Miami. Jeter may be enjoying it but the rest of South Florida isn't.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Best interest of baseball based on how corrupt it is that an ex-Yankee bends over and lets his former team rape the city of Miami. Jeter may be enjoying it but the rest of South Florida isn't.

I see. So the fact that Stanton denied two trades doesn't make a difference here. It's just whatever story you want to make up? I mean, I don't want to think that this is what's up here but it sure sounds that way. Jeter didn't call the Yankees on this deal. Miami had a deal with San Francisco but Stanton pulled the plug on that deal when the Yankees made it known that they might be interested. That deal with the Giants was a done deal. The player had full control over where he went because of the no trade clause. Stanton could have gone anywhere but he picked NY. That's not on Jeter or Miami. So I don't understand why it's being painted in that manner.

I'll ask again, on what grounds could the commissioner void that deal?

 

[Trouty]

Except reports are they definitely getting rid of Ozuna and likely Yelich.

Have heard the same.

Come on man, I already said if you cant afford it, dont buy it. They obviously got a look at the books before hand, knew expenses, cash flow, etc. The team was bought on borrowed money by people who seem to be living the billionaire version of hand to mouth. MLB never should have let these guys have the team. This is Frank McCourt all over again.

This. Owning a club is a billionaire's game. GM'ing isn't. But alas, Jeter isn't GM'ing. How much does Jeter own?

As a rival of the Yanks (I actually detest them with all of my being), I'm happy they made this move (no offense to you Yank fans).

 

[Trouty]

Best interest of baseball based on how corrupt it is that an ex-Yankee bends over and lets his former team rape the city of Miami. Jeter may be enjoying it but the rest of South Florida isn't.

But they want to investigate the Ōtani signing...

 

[Trouty]

I have a feeling in the pit of my stomach that the Angels are going to get Hernandez (2B, PHI). If we do get him, we win the AL West, I believe. We have 8 pitchers, and 2 others that can't pitch due to surgery, we also have two more in the minors that should be ready after the 2018 season. And 2 others that are good prospects. We are deep at pitching (majors and minors) and deep at OF prospects in the minors. PHI needs pitching.

Eppler has explicitly stated that he is all in on a plus 2B, and he has been in talks with PHI. They declined our first offer, but that was before we signed Shohei, who makes a Heaney or Skaggs even more expendable.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I have a feeling in the pit of my stomach that the Angels are going to get Hernandez (2B, PHI). If we do get him, we win the AL West, I believe. We have 8 pitchers, and 2 others that can't pitch due to surgery, we also have two more in the minors that should be ready after the 2018 season. And 2 others that are good prospects. We are deep at pitching (majors and minors) and deep at OF prospects in the minors. PHI needs pitching.

Eppler has explicitly stated that he is all in on a plus 2B, and he has been in talks with PHI. They declined our first offer, but that was before we signed Shohei, who makes a Heaney or Skaggs even more expendable.

Yankees need pitching. Yankees have a lot of hitters and young pitching prospects in the minors. Eppler knows the Yankees, he was their director of Scouting. I'm not saying it will happen but I can see where it could happen between those two teams.