Cowboys Admission of Guilt

[NEODOG]

Let me be clear so that I don't have to read a bunch of lazy brain responses. I and every Cowboys supporter want to watch the Cowboys succeed.

Hoping LVE turns out to be the second coming of Urlacher. Looking back or criticizing yourself to me is about learning the lesson and improving. Yesterday's pick was in general a full admission of guilt from the DC that they made a big mistake with the Jaylon Smith pick. They were hoping that he would eventually take over and play MLB and play every down next to Sean Lee for at least 3-4 years. Yes, he may still end up turning his career on full blast this season. But it won't be what they were envisioning. 2nd round picks need to contribute more than he has, and he will be used elsewhere like Sam which may be his best fit. Not going to be playing tons of downs if LVE works out like they are hoping and Sean Lee stays healthy (also like they are hoping).

Hopefully, the Cowboys learned that character concerns and injury concerns are definitely enough to take the player off till like the 5th round if not altogether. This crap about Jerry having an advantage because of his job security is bulsh. Just because you can take greater risk does not improve your odds of hitting the lottery...

Admission of guilt on Jaylon? That's hilarious.. .

 

[Aven8]

I'm fine with it. They got the biggest need addressed already with 9 picks to go. He was the BPA most likely when picked as well. I hope the kid is a flat out stud.

I was worried this would be like the year when we let Demarco go and never got a RB.

 

[Blitzen]

I see it as a combination of things. Smith is an unknown. We lost Hitchens and Lee is injury prone. We really had no choice but to draft an LB. Now had Lee never been injured and Jaylon played like a monster last year, I don't think we draft an LB 1st round.

I think you guys are missing my original point which may be my fault. I agree with the pick. I also think LVE may turn out to be a great pick and am feeling very optimistic that he will at least be solid.

The Cowboys NEEDED to make this move. My general point is that the team needs to be more conservative with round 1-3 picks unless they are on the major impact positions. A SAM LB for the Cowboys system does not play enough snaps to justify a second rounder (they have seemed happy to wait till the fourth round to fill the need and it has worked just fine). The plan for Jaylon was to play alongside Sean with the potential for transitioning to Sean's spot after he was gone.

My general point is that I believe this is now well off script for the plan for Jaylon which speaks to how cavalier the team can still be sometimes. And yes I believe LVE is already penciled in for MLB. If they go and cut Sean Lee or trade/bench him before the season I will recant.

 

[Denim Chicken]

So everyone is cool drafting for need now?

 

[Diehardblues]

The pick addresses a dire need on defense which was vacated losing Hitchens, Lee aging and continued health concerns along with uncertainty of Jaylon.

 

[blueblood70]

So everyone is cool drafting for need now?

They are all Needs WR, G and LB..regardless for starters or backup we had needs to fill and is Rsmith or James wasn't there it was Evans VS LVE and how do you know who had who rated BPA when they picked..I heard many sportcasters say LVE was the 3rd best LB in the draft and he was 3rd off the board so a coin flip the cowboys had to have reason of Lve over Evans , they were close in talent but LVE showed more measurable..we need to wait and see how the draft works out before we hard judge.. so some are disappointed some are fine with it.. the cowboys considered him the pick and ill give them the benefit of the doubt until i see otherwise..

 

[The Quest for Six]

Let me be clear so that I don't have to read a bunch of lazy brain responses. I and every Cowboys supporter want to watch the Cowboys succeed.

Hoping LVE turns out to be the second coming of Urlacher. Looking back or criticizing yourself to me is about learning the lesson and improving. Yesterday's pick was in general a full admission of guilt from the DC that they made a big mistake with the Jaylon Smith pick. They were hoping that he would eventually take over and play MLB and play every down next to Sean Lee for at least 3-4 years. Yes, he may still end up turning his career on full blast this season. But it won't be what they were envisioning. 2nd round picks need to contribute more than he has, and he will be used elsewhere like Sam which may be his best fit. Not going to be playing tons of downs if LVE works out like they are hoping and Sean Lee stays healthy (also like they are hoping).

Hopefully, the Cowboys learned that character concerns and injury concerns are definitely enough to take the player off till like the 5th round if not altogether. This crap about Jerry having an advantage because of his job security is bulsh. Just because you can take greater risk does not improve your odds of hitting the lottery...

Did you watch the linebacker play of this team when Sean Lee was out of the lineup, it was a steep drop off and Smith still wasn't completely healthy last year, which was also evident if you watched the games...I'd argue Dallas needs to come out of this draft with two linebackers, it's a drastic need for this team, along with a DT, G, S, WR,....

 

[dfense]

Sometimes the obvious pick is the right pick. They fooled themselves before reaching for players. LVE is a solid pick that fills a need. Give the guy a chance.

 

[Diehardblues]

I think you guys are missing my original point which may be my fault. I agree with the pick. I also think LVE may turn out to be a great pick and am feeling very optimistic that he will at least be solid.

The Cowboys NEEDED to make this move. My general point is that the team needs to be more conservative with round 1-3 picks unless they are on the major impact positions. A SAM LB for the Cowboys system does not play enough snaps to justify a second rounder (they have seemed happy to wait till the fourth round to fill the need and it has worked just fine). The plan for Jaylon was to play alongside Sean with the potential for transitioning to Sean's spot after he was gone.

My general point is that I believe this is now well off script for the plan for Jaylon which speaks to how cavalier the team can still be sometimes. And yes I believe LVE is already penciled in for MLB. If they go and cut Sean Lee or trade/bench him before the season I will recant.

The point of the thread appears to be about bashing the pick for Jaylon which I agree was a risk we couldn’t afford to take.

Now whether Jaylon had become at this point what we’d hoped we wouldn’t have needed another LB is still arguable .

Bottom line is considering our situation at LB we probably made the right move. Making a better decision now is better than making another bad decision.

 

[DHCBF66]

Let me be clear so that I don't have to read a bunch of lazy brain responses. I and every Cowboys supporter want to watch the Cowboys succeed.

Hoping LVE turns out to be the second coming of Urlacher. Looking back or criticizing yourself to me is about learning the lesson and improving. Yesterday's pick was in general a full admission of guilt from the DC that they made a big mistake with the Jaylon Smith pick. They were hoping that he would eventually take over and play MLB and play every down next to Sean Lee for at least 3-4 years. Yes, he may still end up turning his career on full blast this season. But it won't be what they were envisioning. 2nd round picks need to contribute more than he has, and he will be used elsewhere like Sam which may be his best fit. Not going to be playing tons of downs if LVE works out like they are hoping and Sean Lee stays healthy (also like they are hoping).

Hopefully, the Cowboys learned that character concerns and injury concerns are definitely enough to take the player off till like the 5th round if not altogether. This crap about Jerry having an advantage because of his job security is bulsh. Just because you can take greater risk does not improve your odds of hitting the lottery...

Jaylon will be one of the starters along with LVE and Lee so how are they admitting "guilt"?

 

[jrumann59]

I don't think this was a bad pick at all, we needed to replace Hitch.
but.... I probably wouldn't have taken him, we have other holes to fill and at 19 I would've grabbed a WR.
we could get a LB later in draft.

"It is what it is" Does JJ ever do what the fans expect?..lol

I do not think there is WR in this draft that will be better than Hurns. Waste of Rresources going WR in the 1st or 2nd. Defense needs to be addressed 1st and 2nd round.

 

[Dorsett33]

Let me be clear so that I don't have to read a bunch of lazy brain responses. I and every Cowboys supporter want to watch the Cowboys succeed.

Hoping LVE turns out to be the second coming of Urlacher. Looking back or criticizing yourself to me is about learning the lesson and improving. Yesterday's pick was in general a full admission of guilt from the DC that they made a big mistake with the Jaylon Smith pick. They were hoping that he would eventually take over and play MLB and play every down next to Sean Lee for at least 3-4 years. Yes, he may still end up turning his career on full blast this season. But it won't be what they were envisioning. 2nd round picks need to contribute more than he has, and he will be used elsewhere like Sam which may be his best fit. Not going to be playing tons of downs if LVE works out like they are hoping and Sean Lee stays healthy (also like they are hoping).

Hopefully, the Cowboys learned that character concerns and injury concerns are definitely enough to take the player off till like the 5th round if not altogether. This crap about Jerry having an advantage because of his job security is bulsh. Just because you can take greater risk does not improve your odds of hitting the lottery...

Sooooo.....it couldn't possibly be the fact that we lost our MLB in free agency, huh? Jaylon Smith was still waiting on his nerve to regenerate. He was technically a rookie that was really still injured. The guy played admirable and showed me that he should get better. LVE was drafted because a position of need....we lost two linebackers. And....he was good. I don't see this having anything to do with the way Jaylon played. From my understanding, he played more than expected and got better as the season progressed. And it couldn't be because Lee is getting long in the tooth? When Lee went out we were very thin at LB. Moving Smith to SAM is a great move to me. The same way it was a good move to move Lee to WILL. Lee, LVE, and Smith.....that could be a very good LB Corp.

 

[Denim Chicken]

They are all Needs WR, G and LB..regardless for starters or backup we had needs to fill and is Rsmith or James wasn't there it was Evans VS LVE and how do you know who had who rated BPA when they picked..I heard many sportcasters say LVE was the 3rd best LB in the draft and he was 3rd off the board so a coin flip the cowboys had to have reason of Lve over Evans , they were close in talent but LVE showed more measurable..we need to wait and see how the draft works out before we hard judge.. so some are disappointed some are fine with it.. the cowboys considered him the pick and ill give them the benefit of the doubt until i see otherwise..

I just think the FO has been very reactive. With the Taco pick last year and LVE this year. They seem like there looking to plug holes in the draft (which is understandable for a coach who's on the hot seat). But they'll never get ahead this way. I believe there were better players on the board.

 

[Blitzen]

Did you watch the linebacker play of this team when Sean Lee was out of the lineup, it was a steep drop off and Smith still wasn't completely healthy last year, which was also evident if you watched the games...I'd argue Dallas needs to come out of this draft with two linebackers, it's a drastic need for this team, along with a DT, G, S, WR,....

And they may. Jaylon is not being counted on to play one of the main LB slots going into his third season. Sean and LVE will almost certainly take those posts. Perhaps Jaylon will turn into the next Sean Lee, but they are obviously not banking on it.

That leads one to wonder where Jaylon will get the majority of his snaps this upcoming season. Probably SAM. Which was not the original plan and hence my call as admission of guilt.

 

[Blitzen]

I just think the FO has been very reactive. With the Taco pick last year and LVE this year. They seem like there looking to plug holes in the draft (which is understandable for a coach who's on the hot seat). But they'll never get ahead this way. I believe there were better player on the board.

Exactly. This is basically the general point of my thread. The Cowboys can be proactive or reactive. Past decisions can greatly affect future decisions, and that was how I felt after the pick. Smart move to make the team better (even if marginally) at an area of need.

The argument being that this brings the decision to draft Jaylon where they drafted him into greater scrutiny. Should injury concerns like that come up with a potential draft pick, it is probably best to bet after round 4. The current GM does not fear for his job, and thus still will still gamble occasionally with house money. Hopefully, they learn the lesson taught. As one poster keeps saying, you reap what you sow.

 

[DHCBF66]

I'm fine with it. They got the biggest need addressed already with 9 picks to go. He was the BPA most likely when picked as well. I hope the kid is a flat out stud.

I was worried this would be like the year when we let Demarco go and never got a RB.

I was feeling sick right before the pick, I thought it was going to be a wr...

 

[Aven8]

I was feeling sick right before the pick, I thought it was going to be a wr...

It was tempting. Mel and Herbie were gushing about the WR, but they stuck to their board and were disciplined. That's been so refreshing. Now the 2nd round will see. Although they bucked the trend last year with the Awuzi pick.

 

[21Savage]

You know when the Panthers drafted Shaq Thompson in the 1st round that was an admission of guilt on Keuckley. Or was it Thomas Davis?

Well I need to read up more on this theory.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Very poor and lazy post. You do realize teams need THREE starting LBers, right. We lost a starter in Hitchens and needed a replacement. LVE is that replacement and he’s also an upgrade.

We spend half the time out of the base defense. One of the LB spots is half time, whether you consider it SLB or MLB.
We spent on Lee. We spent on Jaylon. Now we're spending on LVE. One of those spots is half time. Could have saved on a run defense specialist MLB.

Unless we screw with Collins again, I don't see a LG. 100% player. I don't see improvement at starting WR. 80% player.

Hitchens was a 52% player last year. And that's with Lee missing 5 games, and Jaylon not being fully healthy but still taking 55% of the snaps. Jaylon should be in the 80s this year.

It looks like a great trio, but over provisioned.

 

[kevinhickey]

Very poor and lazy post. You do realize teams need THREE starting LBers, right. We lost a starter in Hitchens and needed a replacement. LVE is that replacement and he’s also an upgrade. Like far too many on here, all you want to do is whine and *****.

I also think Jaylon Smith is going to be a star. He was a risk worth taking if he can get back to his college form. Give the guy some time. LVE also has the potential to be special.