Dak Won't be able to get Cooper the ball

[HungryLion]

To be fair, the 90 yard TD and 40 yard TD yesterday, skewed those stats heavily. While I agree Cooper was a great acquisition, and Dak actually seems like a better QB with him, Coop made both of those plays happen.

I hate this argument.

That’s how stats work in the NFL. You can’t subtract a players best plays.

The ability to take a pass 90 yards for a TD is part of what makes Cooper a special player. You can’t take that away from him.

The only way this argument works, is if you take every other receiver in the NFL and remove their “big plays”. Then compare the stats.

 

[foofighters]

Try and stay on topic. Not sure what the play to Gallup has to do with Cooper?

And if you notice, since you brought him up, Dak and Gallup are just not on the the same page. 42.9% catch percentage. I put a huge chunk of this failure on Gallup. Drops, bad routes and not looking for the ball. Dak has had some misses too but Dak is clearly not comfortable throwing to him.

I am talking about one pass during an important part of the game that Dak missed. It is something he is clearly not comfortable with. Gallup is a rookie showing signs of being a pretty good receiver. I am not saying Dak sucks. You Dak lovers get really defensive. Dak can do well but he will never be an elite QB. Again, he doesn't suck.

 

[xwalker]

Yes, it's easy to say "Dak should have made that throw" sitting in our living room watching the field from a viewpoint 50 yards above the field.

Not so easy when you've got 11 defenders and a moving target to hit. Same as those who say "Zeke missed that hole, should have run left instead of right" etc., he's got a split second to make his decision with 4 guys trying to mash him...

It sounds like you are describing the pass at the goalline. I think that receiver was Brown.

There was one to Gallup in the middle of the field where it was in Gallup's hands but he couldn't complete the catch. Aikman said it was short as if it was not catchable but that was false.

 

[Oh_Canada]

and yet Dak could have sealed the end of the game with that pass to Gallup at the end of the game but threw it short. Cooper's route running and YAC are winning right now. Dak is playing fine but I feel this is as good as it gets with Dak. Those passes, Dak had time to throw. He still struggles making quick decisions.

And yet his team won the game. Qb’s miss sometimes, I saw Drew Brees miss two open wr’s yesterday.

Also it looked like a Dlineman may have impeded that throw btw.

 

[foofighters]

Because of extreme effort by Gallup to stop and come back through the defender. That was a bad throw, brother....but not as bad as the easy TD he shorted...or the McNabb like skipper, when he lost his footing for no reason.

Other than those, he played a decent game though.

I agree with this. These fans have a hard time seeing someone call out issues of players. They want complete adoration of their favorite player. I sit right in the middle with Dak. He's ok and can do well but he's not great nor will he ever be. and he doesn't suck either.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Brees went 15/22 , 171 yards yesterday .

Did he not complete 7 passes ? ! ... no way ...

 

[Runwildboys]

I hate this argument.

That’s how stats work in the NFL. You can’t subtract a players best plays.

The ability to take a pass 90 yards for a TD is part of what makes Cooper a special player. You can’t take that away from him.

The only way this argument works, is if you take every other receiver in the NFL and remove their “big plays”. Then compare the stats.

I understand what you're saying, (and I'm happy about the Cooper pickup) but this is 2 plays that skew the whole ratio tremendously. If we were talking about 16 games, or even 8, I wouldn't mention those plays.

 

[foofighters]

And yet his team won the game. Qb’s miss sometimes, I saw Drew Brees miss two open wr’s yesterday.

Also it looked like a Dlineman may have impeded that throw btw.

You're right. My point in another thread is that can we do enough to overcome these issues on a consistent basis? It's simply a question.

 

[Runwildboys]

It sounds like you are describing the pass at the goalline. I think that receiver was Brown.

There was one to Gallup in the middle of the field where it was in Gallup's hands but he couldn't complete the catch. Aikman said it was short as if it was not catchable but that was false.

I thought we were talking about the long pass down the sideline?

 

[foofighters]

How short could that ball to Gallup have been. It was in both hands.

Did you see how Gallup had to pull back? Go back and watch. He had his guy beat. If Dak delivers that in stride, it's a TD.

 

[foofighters]

LOL-the haters are losing momentum.

No, not hating. Just questioning. Hating is talking about pink jerseys, cabo trips and backwards hats. These comments are strictly related to play. It's about looking how to get the best out of the team. I am not hating when I say this may be as good as Dak gets. If we had better coaching, it's a possibility that this offense could consistently run up and down the field. But if it's easier for you to simply call people haters instead of understanding the process of getting better then by all means, continue.

 

[Runwildboys]

Did you see how Gallup had to pull back? Go back and watch. He had his guy beat. If Dak delivers that in stride, it's a TD.

Here's the difference: When Rodgers or Brees throws a long pass, I'm thinking, "OH CRAP!"

When Dak throws a long ball, I'm thinking, "Oh crap".

 

[pansophy]

The haters said...resoundingly.

After 4 games...a comparison:

In 4 games with Dallas from Dak:

32 targets, 22 catches, 349 yards, 15.9 ypc, 3tds, 5.5rpg, 87.3 ypg, 68.8% catch%.


In 6 games with Oakland from Carr(a REAL qb):

32 targets, 22 catches, 280 yards, 12.7 ypc, 1 td, 3.7 rpg, 46.7 ypg, 68.8% catch %

So in two less games he has already eclipsed his production in Oakland.

I definitely had big concerns, mainly because how hard of a time Dak and Dez had connecting on routes. Dak and Cooper have seemed to have found chemistry immediately, even before yesterdays breakout game.

Proving to be a good trade already, so definitely happy and grateful for that.

 

[guag]

Dak looked better for sure .

Hey @skinsscalper no mention of the coaching staff in this post!

 

[LifetimeBoysFan]

Easily Dak's best game of the year, but also still at times his most inconsistent. It's not realistic to expect perfection from him, but at the same time, some of the throws he short hops (Gallup) when they have deep balls open is still a concern. I still subscribe to the theory that we really should have replaced Moore when we replaced Alexander as OL coach. Dak is too young to not have a solid QB coach to mentor him. Ask Troy if the change to Norv made a difference for him when he struggled. We have seen Dak make big plays and complete deep passes, but his accuracy seems to had declined noticeably and some of it is due to him holding the ball way too long too.

 

[guag]

Damn you beat me to it lol. Though I was gonna use a pun like "insistence is futile"

 

[cowboy_ron]

I’ll admit it I am pleasantly surprised at how Amari and Dak are playing together (and how quickly)...Actually fun to watch and I was not one of those happy with the trade initially. Team went from not watchable/boring to first place. There’s something to be said about that.

Well said Sarge.......my thoughts as well.

 

[xwalker]

Because of extreme effort by Gallup to stop and come back through the defender. That was a bad throw, brother....but not as bad as the easy TD he shorted...or the McNabb like skipper, when he lost his footing for no reason.

Other than those, he played a decent game though.

They are NFL WRs. I've seen middle school kids make that catch.

NFL Rule of Thumb: If the ball hits the WR in both hands, it should be a catch.


In regards to the goalline play, if you've ever tried throwing a football while moving backwards, it's really hard to judge distance. You basically have to tell yourself that you're going "aim" to throw it well past the receiver because the normal hand-eye coordination that you have for throwing a pass just doesn't account for the backwards motion. It's the same but opposite when the QB is running forward in that he has to "aim" short.

It's probably not a great idea to spend a lot of time practicing throwing while moving backwards because enough times doing that will result in normal throws going past the target.

Romo once talked about the concept in an interview. He basically said you just have to remind yourself to throw it longer/shorter due to backward/forward movement but that it's not really something you can practice and it's really just a guess.


I have no idea what happened when Dak slipped while throwing. I think he rushed that throw. That really shouldn't happen on turf indoors.

 

[percyhoward]

The deep ball down the sideline was half Gallup's fault, half Dak's. After the game, Dak said he wished he'd put more on the throw because Gallup would have scored. It was underthrown, but Gallup still dropped the underthrow.

Dak's mistake was the difference between a 40-yard gain and a TD. Gallup's mistake was the difference between a 40-yard gain and punting on the next play.

 

[Kevinicus]

Dak sucks for nearly 3 quarters and the offense sputters, then he gets a gift on a 2 yard route with the defender falling, then Amari breaks another one for 63 YAC (this one was admittedly a good throw) and all the sudden Dak is doing great things...smh.

Who didn't see this thread coming?