Amari Cooper - All time Cowboys MVP?

[Runwildboys]

It’s difficult spelling out the narration in a title .

If you read thru the post you’d seen I mentioned other MVP’s that didn’t fit the criteria .

You didn't say or even allude to them not fitting any "criteria". You simply stated why you think Cooper may be more valuable. I disagree.

As I said though, if you wish to make it about who's come in midway through the season and turned things around, then yes, I'd put him in that discussion.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That’s redirecting the question.

Or could be considered moving the goalpost since you didn’t want to address his question or comment.

What's redirecting the question? Its moronic to bring up what Romo did his whole career and compare it to what Dak has done in 3 years. You know who has more game winning drives than Romo? Jake Plummer. Vinny Testerverde who played for forever. How about bring up how many game winning drives Romo had in his first 3 years in the league. That's a far better representation than bringing up what he did for a whole career. And you guys know that but it doesn't fit your agenda.

Randomly?...You brought up Romo, and how we now have a QB who shows up in the 4th qtr............How can you possibly try to deflect my response as randomly bringing up Romo's game winning drives?

You brought up what Romo did in a 10-12 year career to prove he's more clutch than Dak? The hell?

 

[DallasEast]

How am I moving goal posts when you rebuttal who's better in 4th quarters you bring up what Romo did his WHOLE CAREER knowing Dak is only a 3rd year pro. But I'm the goal post mover?

I simply asked a question since we wanted to bring up he's 19th in game winning drives. IS he 19th in win or go home games and playoff games?

You are confused after reading the point-by-point breakdown of your and @Runwildboys mini-discussion. I am similarly confused of the nature of your questions based on information included in my point-by-point breakdown so I am not certain if any reply will provide answers you may deem adequate.

 

[Runwildboys]

What's redirecting the question? Its moronic to bring up what Romo did his whole career and compare it to what Dak has done in 3 years. You know who has more game winning drives than Romo? Jake Plummer. Vinny Testerverde who played for forever. How about bring up how many game winning drives Romo had in his first 3 years in the league. That's a far better representation than bringing up what he did for a whole career. And you guys know that but it doesn't fit your agenda.



You brought up what Romo did in a 10-12 year career to prove he's more clutch than Dak? The hell?

I brought up Romo's game winning drives to refute your allusion that he wasn't good in the 4th quarter. Please don't insult me by trying to claim that wasn't your intention in that post.

 

[Diehardblues]

What's redirecting the question? Its moronic to bring up what Romo did his whole career and compare it to what Dak has done in 3 years. You know who has more game winning drives than Romo? Jake Plummer. Vinny Testerverde who played for forever. How about bring up how many game winning drives Romo had in his first 3 years in the league. That's a far better representation than bringing up what he did for a whole career. And you guys know that but it doesn't fit your agenda.



You brought up what Romo did in a 10-12 year career to prove he's more clutch than Dak? The hell?

That’s why those arguments are a losing or dead end venture because comparing a career to 3 years cant be compared in the narration they’re framed in.

The bottom line is Romo did lead a lot of comebacks in 4th qtr. The contributing factors is a separate argument.

The win or go home stat was one basically created to bash Romo. Nowhere can I find a NFL stat ranking QB’s on win or go home games. If you can please provide. Thanks

 

[Runwildboys]

I’d call it a pretty certain speculation. Lol

I'd agree with that.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

Exactly what I'm saying. The grade won't be any lower than a A-.......but it has potential to be a A+. Just too early to start grading IMO. Season hasn't finished out. If we go on a 3 game losing streak........not good.

We won't go on a 3 game losing streak... I will say this... I'm not worried about the Buckaneers or the Giants. I am worried about the Colts... That is the only game I see us potentially losing... We should still be in great shape though....

 

[GenoT]

There weren’t many who at 3-5 thought this team was going to win the division or be a SB contender.

The only way I’ll believe this team to be a SB contender is when they’re playing in the NFC Champ game — which I had predicted in the preseason. Until then, we’re an 8-5 team in a weak division.

Btw, considering what the title of your OP implies, and how you immediately walked the thread back with a wide array of qualitive criteria, I must congratulate you on your mastery of click-baiting.

Seriously, well-done, sir!

 

[Runwildboys]

True but again they didn’t come into a spiraling season headed to a collapse on a non playoff team.

None of those situations matched this one IMO.

0-2 was a tough start but they were the defending Champs.

Ah, but a big part of the reason they were defending champs was Emmitt.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

We won't go on a 3 game losing streak... I will say this... I'm not worried about the Buckaneers or the Giants. I am worried about the Colts... That is the only game I see us potentially losing... We should still be in great shape though....

That's fine. Me personally, I'm sitting back and letting things play out. I've seen enough of this team over the years to know anything is possible. That goes for any team in the NFL. I just saw the Raiders beat the Steelers and the Dolphins beat the Patriots....AGAIN.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You are confused after reading the point-by-point breakdown of your and @Runwildboys mini-discussion. I am similarly confused of the nature of your questions based on information included in my point-by-point breakdown so I am not certain if any reply will provide answers you may deem adequate.

Ok so let's stop the confusion. Do you think its fair to bring up what Romo did in a 10+ year career to what Dak did in a 3 year career? When it comes to stats that include "totals"?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

The point is ..it’s Already paid huge dividends on a team spirally down certain for an epic collapse.

Then just say that next time and save the gigantic exaggeration.

You really think this team would have collapsed or not won another game all year without the Cooper trade?

Come on, man..

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I brought up Romo's game winning drives to refute your allusion that he wasn't good in the 4th quarter. Please don't insult me by trying to claim that wasn't your intention in that post.

My intention was Dak is a better 4th quarter performer than Romo.

That’s why those arguments are a losing or dead end venture because comparing a career to 3 years cant be compared in the narration they’re framed in.

The bottom line is Romo did lead a lot of comebacks in 4th qtr. The contributing factors is a separate argument.

The win or go home stat was one basically created to bash Romo. Nowhere can I find a NFL stat ranking QB’s on win or go home games. If you can please provide. Thanks

I'm just using the eye-ball test. Romo had a few games where for whatever reason the football would end up in the hands of the other team.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Then just say that next time and save the gigantic exaggeration.

You really think this team would have collapsed or not won another game all yesterday without the Cooper trade?

Come on, man..

They were 3-4 at the time of the trade........depending on what games they won.......even without the Cooper deal they would've been in the thick of things for the NFC East title.

 

[Diehardblues]

You didn't say or even allude to them not fitting any "criteria". You simply stated why you think Cooper may be more valuable. I disagree.

As I said though, if you wish to make it about who's come in midway through the season and turned things around, then yes, I'd put him in that discussion.

I copied the segments that did refer to the criteria.

“... I don’t know a player in Cowboys history who almost single handidly saved a season propelling them from an almost certain collapse into divisional champ and potential Super Bowl contender.”

“...this situation with Cooper is unlike any I can recall in Cowboys history.”

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

That's fine. Me personally, I'm sitting back and letting things play out. I've seen enough of this team over the years to know anything is possible. That goes for any team in the NFL. I just saw the Raiders beat the Steelers and the Dolphins beat the Patriots....AGAIN.

This... I loved those Raiders and Dolphins wins...

 

[Runwildboys]

Ok so let's stop the confusion. Do you think its fair to bring up what Romo did in a 10+ year career to what Dak did in a 3 year career? When it comes to stats that include "totals"?

I'm not comparing Romo and Dak. I simply showed that Romo was good in the 4th quarter, because you implied that he wasn't.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I copied the segments that did refer to the criteria.

“... I don’t know a player in Cowboys history who almost single handidly saved a season propelling them from an almost certain collapse into divisional champ and potential Super Bowl contender.”

“...this situation with Cooper is unlike any I can recall in Cowboys history.”

“We were on the cusp of a major collapse .”

This team was spirally down faster than we’d seen since 1-7 in 2010. Most were saying we wouldn’t win another game...”

For the life of.me..i literally can't remember a single person ptedicting a collapse or saying we wouldn't win another game the rest of the year.

What a bunch of baloney.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'm not comparing Romo and Dak. I simply showed that Romo was good in the 4th quarter, because you implied that he wasn't.

I implied Dak is better in the clutch than Romo. How good or bad Romo was in the 4th quarter of games....I'll let you guys debate that. But Dak right now is much better in that regard than Romo is. And if the only stat you guys have is he's 19th all time behind Vinny Testerverde? That's not enough of a rebuttal.

 

[Diehardblues]

They were 3-4 at the time of the trade........depending on what games they won.......even without the Cooper deal they would've been in the thick of things for the NFC East title.

Using your eyeball test or instincts you felt at that point we were going to win the division and be the SB contender we are today ?

Do you have any post from that timeframe to support this claim?