Stephen on Dak as a franchise quarterback

[Sydla]

Franchise QB's get huge money. Thats just the way it is. In case you didnt notice. Especially the young QB's typically get paid some on potential rather than what they have done. Simple, simple, NFL QB contract basics.

Heck, I hate to think about blowing 25-30 million on a QB as well, but I understand the process. Hell, I hated paying 20 million to Lawrence. And you dont like Prescott so of course you are going to complain. LOL.....You didnt like him at 500k so I wouldnt expect you to like him at 28 million.

The alternative is not even worth discussing. In 2 or 3 years the contracts will be up to 35 million, Dak will be in his prime and a top 10 QB. It will look like a bargain as did the Romo contract as it went forward.

But before you find something else to complain about with Dak, maybe you should just wait and see what the contract is.

If you could sign Dak for like $17-20MM, I'd be much more willing to accept that.

But the logic that you can pay him Top 3 money now because he'll be cheaper in the future is bizarre and *** backwards. That's how you end up with bad contracts eating up cap space.

He's not a Top 5 QB and therefore you shouldn't sign him to a Top 5 contract. It's just that simple.

 

[Sydla]

What stats are those? Wins? Playoffs? Pro bowls? Probably the most important stats right there.

Pro Bowls are one of the most important stats?

 

[CowboyRoy]

If you could sign Dak for like $17-20MM, I'd be much more willing to accept that.

But the logic that you can pay him Top 3 money now because he'll be cheaper in the future. That's how you end up with bad contracts eating up cap space.

He's not a Top 5 QB and therefore you shouldn't sign him to a Top 5 contract. It's just that simple.

Some of these QB's getting paid closer to 20 million are at the end of long term contracts. And we all know a guy like Brady specifically takes less to help his team as he has plenty of money already. In 3 years, Dak will probably be around the 10th highest paid QB. But thats not the way it looks in the beginning.

ANY team with a QB worth a dam is going to be paying around 30 million on ANY new contract.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Pro Bowls are one of the most important stats?

Not to your agenda it isnt.

 

[Sydla]

Some of these QB's getting paid closer to 20 million are at the end of long term contracts. And we all know a guy like Brady specifically takes less to help his team as he has plenty of money already. In 3 years, Dak will probably be around the 10th highest paid QB. But thats not the way it looks in the beginning.

ANY team with a QB worth a dam is going to be paying around 30 million on ANY new contract.

Then let's not be that team until we are absolutely sure Dak is that type of QB. Let him play out his final year and then sign him.

This franchise is going to look idiotic if they hand over a $30MM+ year contract to Dak and he continues to just be a borderline Top 10 QB.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Then let's not be that team until we are absolutely sure Dak is that type of QB. Let him play out his final year and then sign him.

This franchise is going to look idiotic if they hand over a $30MM+ year contract to Dak and he continues to just be a borderline Top 10 QB.

Who is the we? A handful of Dak haters that are still sore that Romo got passed over?

Many fans and more importantly the Cowboys know how good this kid is and can become. Heck, I knew his rookie year. It was OBVIOUS!!!

3 years later.....................Rookie of the year, 2 pro bowls, 3 winning seasons, two playoffs and a playoff win later and you still cant give the kid any credit.

But now the narrative has changed for you guys. Now its that he is good, he just isnt worth the big money.

No different with the Romo haters for 10 years. Some people just hate to hate.

 

[Sydla]

Not to your agenda it isnt.

No, Pro Bowls are not important stats to anyone who has common sense.

All Pro is way more important than Pro Bowls.

Further, you do realize that Prescott was actually the 6th choice at QB for the Pro Bowl right? Rodgers, Goff and Brees were the first Pro Bowlers named. Rodgers dropped out due to injury and Goff couldn't play because he was in the SB. Those two were then replaced with Wilson and Mitch Trubisky.

When Brees backed out, then they picked Prescott to fill his spot. So the pecking order for pro bowl QBs was:

- Rodgers
- Brees
- Goff

Then.........

- Wilson (replaced Rodgers)
- Trubisky (replaced Goff)

Then.........

- Dak (replaced Brees)

 

[Sydla]

Who is the we? A handful of Dak haters that are still sore that Romo got passed over?

Many fans and more importantly the Cowboys know how good this kid is and can become. Heck, I knew his rookie year. It was OBVIOUS!!!

3 years later.....................Rookie of the year, 2 pro bowls, 3 winning seasons, two playoffs and a playoff win later and you still cant give the kid any credit.

But now the narrative has changed for you guys. Now its that he is good, he just isnt worth the big money.

No different with the Romo haters for 10 years. Some people just hate to hate.

As is always, you simply make things up to try to prove your point.

This notion that I have never given Prescott credit for anything is straight up BS but that's the medium you like to deal in.......... you often exaggerate and make up the positions people take on this team.

I have always said he's a Top 12ish type QB. He's not Top 5, he's not elite. His best season was 3 years ago as a rookie. His 2nd season was mediocre. He improved last year. So what we have is a QB that has had a great season, a mediocre one and an improved one. The narrative has never changed. I have stated this over and over and over and over about Dak. I've said for months I would not sign him now and make him play out his final year of his rookie deal.

If you think that means he's elite and worth Top 3 money, great. I think it's foolish to make that determination now without seeing more. And if we are to believe what came out yesterday, apparently Stephen Jones isn't ready to make him a Top 3-5 paid QB either as it was reported he wants Dak to sign a team friendly deal.

 

[Diehardblues]

This is what many of Dak's critics are struggling with. They see him as just a quarterback. The Jones see him as the Cowboys franchised quarterback.

Of course they do . They see $$$$$$ with Dak. I’d be much more excited about the revenue Dak is creating if I had a stake in ownership too.

 

[Diehardblues]

As is always, you simply make things up to try to prove your point.

This notion that I have never given Prescott credit for anything is straight up BS but that's the medium you like to deal in.......... you often exaggerate and make up the positions people take on this team.

I have always said he's a Top 12ish type QB. He's not Top 5, he's not elite. His best season was 3 years ago as a rookie. His 2nd season was mediocre. He improved last year. So what we have is a QB that has had a great season, a mediocre one and an improved one. The narrative has never changed. I have stated this over and over and over and over about Dak.

If you think that means he's elite and worth Top 3 money, great. I think it's foolish to make that determination now without seeing more. And if we are to believe what came out yesterday, apparently Stephen Jones isn't ready to make him a Top 3-5 paid QB either as it was reported he wants Dak to sign a team friendly deal.

Yea, he leads the Dakster charge insulting everyone along the way. Not sure why he’s allowed to continue his wrath on anyone critical of his idol.

 

[Diehardblues]

No, Pro Bowls are not important stats to anyone who has common sense.

All Pro is way more important than Pro Bowls.

Further, you do realize that Prescott was actually the 6th choice at QB for the Pro Bowl right? Rodgers, Goff and Brees were the first Pro Bowlers named. Rodgers dropped out due to injury and Goff couldn't play because he was in the SB. Those two were then replaced with Wilson and Mitch Trubisky.

When Brees backed out, then they picked Prescott to fill his spot. So the pecking order for pro bowl QBs was:

- Rodgers
- Brees
- Goff

Then.........

- Wilson (replaced Rodgers)
- Trubisky (replaced Goff)

Then.........

- Dak (replaced Brees)

Facts can be brutal. Lol

Well done !!

 

[CowboyRoy]

As is always, you simply make things up to try to prove your point.

This notion that I have never given Prescott credit for anything is straight up BS but that's the medium you like to deal in.......... you often exaggerate and make up the positions people take on this team.

I have always said he's a Top 12ish type QB. He's not Top 5, he's not elite. His best season was 3 years ago as a rookie. His 2nd season was mediocre. He improved last year. So what we have is a QB that has had a great season, a mediocre one and an improved one. The narrative has never changed. I have stated this over and over and over and over about Dak. I've said for months I would not sign him now and make him play out his final year of his rookie deal.

If you think that means he's elite and worth Top 3 money, great. I think it's foolish to make that determination now without seeing more. And if we are to believe what came out yesterday, apparently Stephen Jones isn't ready to make him a Top 3-5 paid QB either as it was reported he wants Dak to sign a team friendly deal.

Why would you expect a 3rd year QB to be elite or top 5 already? Its laughable. And who says he ever needs to get there? It shows a lack of understanding by actilling like he should be top 5 already.

12-15 if my range currently. If you want to somehow generalize. There are things that Dak is already elite at. And if you want to talk YOUNG QB's, he uproching top 5.

If im guilty of anything, its lumping you doubters all together. Cant keep track of each poster and all their little quibbles.

 

[Sydla]

Facts can be brutal. Lol

Well done !!

And since he said Pro Bowls are really important, the 2018 pro bowl shows he's apparently only the 6th best QB in the NFC. Then when you start to throw in names like Brady and Rivers and Mahomes and Luck, he's apparently not even a Top 10 QB using the Pro Bowl as an important "stat".

 

[Diehardblues]

To me team friendly would be in the neighborhood of Bortyles contact . 3 years 50 million with 15 million signing bonus.

Anything over 20 million will limit surrounding Dak with the Elite talent he currently has which we know is vital to our success and his effectiveness.

I’d also stay away from a long term deal. 3 years is fine. If he develops further than expected then we can renegotiate. For example, if he leads us to a championship then open up the checkbook.

 

[Diehardblues]

And since he said Pro Bowls are really important, the 2018 pro bowl shows he's apparently only the 6th best QB in the NFC. Then when you start to throw in names like Brady and Rivers and Mahomes and Luck, he's apparently not even a Top 10 QB using the Pro Bowl as an important "stat".

Naming Trubisky over Prescott says it all. Lol

Right. I’d agree. Dak is middle of the pack QB . Nothing wrong with that. About half the league is better and half the league is worse.

 

[Sydla]

Why would you expect a 3rd year QB to be elite or top 5 already? Its laughable. And who says he ever needs to get there? It shows a lack of understanding by actilling like he should be top 5 already.

12-15 if my range currently. If you want to somehow generalize. There are things that Dak is already elite at. And if you want to talk YOUNG QB's, he uproching top 5.

If im guilty of anything, its lumping you doubters all together. Cant keep track of each poster and all their little quibbles.

So you admit he's not a Top 5 QB now but think it's perfectly fine to make him one of the 3-5 highest paid QBs in football?

And I never said or acted like he should be Top 5 by now. Again, stop making stuff up to suit your needs in a debate.

 

[Diehardblues]

So you admit he's not a Top 5 QB now but think it's perfectly fine to make him one of the 3-5 highest paid QBs in football?

And I never said or acted like he should be Top 5 by now. Again, stop making stuff up to suit your needs in a debate.

He forgets that most Elite QB’s we actually know pretty early in their career like Brady, Rodgers, Rothleisburger, Luck, Goff and Mahommes to name a few off the top of my head.

Others can take longer to develop pending the team around them but Dak has been blessed with a pretty decent supporting cast.

Look how Aikman struggled early but when surrounded with Elite talent wins a few Super Bowls. How much more Elite talent does Dak need around him to begin winning championships?

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Naming Trubisky over Prescott says it all. Lol

Actually we don’t really know what the whole replacement process is, outside of who are the starters and the alternate. Dak was neither, so all we know is that some point he was called but who knows how many people they called before him. Frankly I would be shocked if they didn’t call Matt Ryan before either Trubisky or Dak... he blew them away.
Either way, I knew it wouldn’t be long before Dak slobberers started touting Dak’s “Pro Bowls”. Can we at least wait until enough time has passed for some of us to go senile before trying to act like Dak was a legit Pro Bowler?

 

[Sydla]

Actually we don’t really know what the whole replacement process is, outside of who are the starters and the alternate. Dak was neither, so all we know is that some point he was called but who knows how many people they called before him. Frankly I would be shocked if they didn’t call Matt Ryan before either Trubisky or Dak... he blew them away.
Either way, I knew it wouldn’t be long before Dak slobberers started touting Dak’s “Pro Bowls”. Can we at least wait until enough time has passed for some of us to go senile before trying to act like Dak was a legit Pro Bowler?

Good point. Dak was the 6th QB we "know" was asked. As you said, they could have gotten a stiff arm from Ryan before asking any of the alternatives like Trubisky or Dak.

 

[DFWJC]

Not in order, cause I’m going off the top of my head:

These QBs are inarguably better:

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Patrick Mahomes
3. Russell Wilson
4. Tom Brady
5. Drew Brees
6. Andrew Luck
7. Big Ben
8. Phillip Rivers
9. Baker Mayfield
10. Matt Ryan
11. Deshaun Watson

These guys you could argue but most would say are better than Dak:

12. Cam Newton
13. Carson Wentz
14. Jared Goff
15. Kirk Cousins

And these guys, you could argue either way, but I would definitely choose Dak over them:

16. Andy Dalton
17. Matthew Stafford
18. Mitchell Trubisky

Regardless of the order, that's a good list.

I've said all along, Dak is getting paid due to the position he plays and the market. People have to live with that.

I'll also say this: there is only one team on that list of 18 that would trade their QB for Dak at his expected new contract level...and even that team is just a guess.
That team would be Cincy w/ Dalton.