Is Dak a so-called bus driver?

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What's wrong with driving the bus? Executing the offense?

Best bus driver comment ever was after Simms had called Romo a bus driver and Parcells responded "Phil Simms had some Ralph Kramden in him too". This was the character Jackie Gleason played in The Honeymooners, a city bus driver.

What successful QB isn't part or mostly bus driver. Starr, Bradshaw, Staubach, Aikman, Montana and Brady all played the part of the driver of the bus getting the ball into their playmakers' hands. That's their job, execute the play as called and some can improvise beyond that but they are being asked to drive the bus.

Prescott brings a little more because he can create plays with his legs but he can do fine as a bus driver as long as he's got a good dispatcher designing his routes.
 

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Wasn’t Romo the QB for the non-catch? What does that have to do with Dak? In fact, if Romo won that game, he may have gone to the Suoer Bowl and thus he probably wouldn’t have been benched for Dak at the end of 2016, and may have very well come back for 2017. literally the opposite of your point.

yea, probably, i thougt it was Daks first year, my apologizes.
 

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Well, what constitutes a QB that isn’t a game manager? Game managers can have good stats too. Let’s see:

1. Just went through all of Dak’s game winning drives. He has never won an NFL game when his team was down 2 scores with 10 min left in the fourth quarter. He only has 1 4th quarter comeback ever when he was down 2 scores, and that’s because his kicker brought it within 1 score right away in the period. So if you can get up by 9-10 points into the 4th quarter, thusfar in his career that is his deathknell.

2. Dak Prescott is 4-7 when the Cowboys don’t rush for 100 yards as a team. For context, Eli Manning has won 6 such games in that timespan. 7 for Andy Dalton. 16 for Matthew Stafford. Nick Foles even had 4 in only 13 starts. Ryan Tannehill has 7(!) despite missing all of 2017. Joe Flacco even has a whopping 9 wins in that span, he’s almost better when he’s forced to throw a lot... many losses with 100+ rushing yards. Just some QBs I commonly see Dak ranked higher than on this site.

3. Dak has a 53.3 QB rating on fourth down in his career. That is easily the worst in the NFL for any Quarterback with at least 30 starts over the last 3 years. Carson Wentz 97.6. Eli Manning 76.8. Andy Dalton 119.7. Joe Flacco 81.6. It’s the only down that’s almost guaranteed to be a pass, and QBs can’t rely on defenses stacking the box. 53.3.

4. Dak’s QB rating when leading? 101. Opponents eat up that I-formation. When trailing? 88.... Russell Wilson has over 100 qb rating when trailing. Think about that. Philip Rivers is 92 for his career while trailing, and he’s had some bad years in there. 107 though last year, staggeringly good. Eli Manning QB rating is the same when he’s trailing or leading. Andy Dalton difference in trailing/leading is half what Dak’s is. Carson Wentz’s is less of a drop than Dak’s is, and his trailing QB ratings were 101 and 96 over the last 2 years after his mediocre rookie year. Tannehill is only a 6 point difference between trailing and leading. Flacco an 8 point difference, also has had some bad years in that career. Dak drops 13 points when he has to take the wheel. Will take me awhile to confirm whether or not that’s unprecedented.

I’m in no way saying it’s confirmed, but it’s not necessarily fair to say the argument doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Think about all the great QBs who don’t have historically good rbs and Olines, and what that might to do skyrocket their stats as well.
Forget Wince, stats from part-time QB's don't count.
 

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Is he a bus driver? So far, yes.
He's a great leader and is better than he appears because of his ability to run the ball.
But he is woefully inaccurate, based on the open receivers he misses and his hesitancy in the pocket.
If we had a better quarterback, we're in the NFC Championship Game. We had receivers running wide open in that game, but Dak failed to connect.
But I'll give him grace. He's still learning. The first year was too easy for him. Second year was a reality check. Third year he was average.
Fourth year is the "Money year". No more excuses.
 

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Aikman averaged less than 200 yards per game for his career. Bus driver?
Once again, a Dak stan dissing a legend to make boy wonder look better.

Troy was MVP of a Super Bowl and had numerous top 5 years in passer rating. Just stop please
 

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Peyton Manning was the ultimate bus driver. Trent Dilfer has this reputation of being one but that’s not bus driving to me.
 

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Different era, he certainly wouldnt now when all they do is pass. And another thing Aikman could strike the head of a match at 40 yards, Dak not so much.

I agree but Omerv is right also.....setting QB standard solely on passing yards is misguided.
 

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He’s a good QB with fantastic intangibles. He’s not great. He’ll get better because of the intangibles thing. We should take QB off the board as a thing to worry about and focus on putting a team around him. He’s better than several QBs who have won recent Superbowls already.
 

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Peyton Manning was the ultimate bus driver. Trent Dilfer has this reputation of being one but that’s not bus driving to me.

Peyton Manning was the least bus driving QB in the history of the national football league. Maybe Marino slightly outshines him. The major knock everyone has on Peyton is if he drove the bus even just a little bit he probably would have won more.

I couldn’t fathom how you came to that conclusion.
 
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Different era, he certainly wouldnt now when all they do is pass. And another thing Aikman could strike the head of a match at 40 yards, Dak not so much.

I didn't say it was 100% apples to apples, but the truth is Aikman's passing stats were very mundane for his time. And let's not act as if passing wasn't prolific in Aikman's day. Favre, Marino, Elway and others came out of that era. Aikman also never had a 20 TD season, which other top passers of his day, and even average passers, did routinely.

I don't say any of this to belittle Aikman. If you will read another of my posts 15 or 20 minutes ago you will see that I don't rely solely on stats to measure a QB, and or a QB's status as a bus driver or not. I have a great deal of respect for Aikman. My point is simply that judging solely on yardage stats isn't a fair standard.
 

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His “resume?”

Let me guess...are you feeling the urge to trot out W/L record, which is a team stat?
Like or not, right or wrong, qbs get wins and losses attached to their name's. You can find multiple site's who keep up with wins and losses for qbs. You can't find ONE that keeps up with a DT wins and losses or any other position. You hear qb X had X amount of wins, or X amount wins vs winning team's and many other comments from media, analyst and even coaches and gms. But you won't ever hear that about any other position. I know it's destroys your narrative with Dak but it is what it is.
 

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Once again, a Dak stan dissing a legend to make boy wonder look better.

Troy was MVP of a Super Bowl and had numerous top 5 years in passer rating. Just stop please

Let me ask you this.......does Aikman win three Super Bowls WITHOUT Emmitt Smith and/or Michael Irvin?
 

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I didn't say it was 100% apples to apples, but the truth is Aikman's passing stats were very mundane for his time. And let's not act as if passing wasn't prolific in Aikman's day. Favre, Marino, Elway and others came out of that era. Aikman also never had a 20 TD season, which other top passers of his day, and even average passers, did routinely.

I don't say any of this to belittle Aikman. If you will read another of my posts 15 or 20 minutes ago you will see that I don't rely solely on stats to measure a QB, and or a QB's status as a bus driver or not. I have a great deal of respect for Aikman. My point is simply that judging solely on yardage stats isn't a fair standard.
Well said. Obviously Troy needed Elite supporting cast . And look what he did with it.

Merideth, Morton and White had a pretty good supporting cast going to championship appearances but only one QB elevated us to a championship.

I think the question for Dak is ; how much elite surrounding support does he need to elevate us to the next level?

Not directed at you but your thought spurred mine.
 
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