*** SPOILERS *** Avengers Endgame Discussions

[joseephuss]

@DallasEast , I know you said you were finished with this thread, but I just saw an ad on the CW, with a redheaded Batgirl standing next to the Batsignal.

Batwoman has already appeared in the crossover event(Arrow, Supergirl, The Flash) earlier this season and will have her own series. This is a different character than the Batgirl.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batwoman

 

[Runwildboys]

Batwoman has already appeared in the crossover event(Arrow, Supergirl, The Flash) earlier this season and will have her own series. This is a different character than the Batgirl.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batwoman

So I saw Batwoman, not Batgirl? Nice! All the drool, with none of the guilt!

 

[Juggernaut]

The numbers motivated me into making this graphic:

As usual, audience options vary about the movie. However, is it valid saying A:E 's explosive box office growth clearly illustrates just how insanely popular this movie has been? I mean, Endgame has netted over 83% of Avatar box office in a mere fraction of the latter's theatrical run. It is positively psychotic.

Cameron's a Type A personality and extremely competitive. He had already voiced his disapproval of Disney/Marvel pumping out comic book adaptations on an assembly line (my words/not his). Endgame's success is likely eating at him like a stomach ulcer. It makes me wonder two things:

A. I wonder how he will feel when Endgame topples Avatar, barring a severe dip in worldwide appeal?
B. I wonder how crazily dedicated he has been in the development of his Avatar sequels?

 

[DallasEast]

DallasEast Interviews James Cameron...

DE: Mr. Cameron, Endgame finally topped Avatar in worldwide box office. Any comment?
Cameron: Dang China! Dang it to heck!!!

 

[Stash]

OK, just found this and it was new and funny to me, so I felt I had to share it:

 

[DallasEast]

OK, just found this and it was new and funny to me, so I felt I had to share it:

That's fantastic!

 

[quickccc]

With Avengers End Game:

As much hype and hooplah given to End Game Avengers by critics and general audiences, i was actually disappointed with it.

though considering the astounding record breaking box office numbers, i thought it was a ripoff from the astounding set up and build up that Infinity War brought in for it.

- Infinite war left me on such a high and anticipating the End game , while end game actually totally deflated that build up, it was totally day and night difference between the two movies.

- It kinda reminded me of Kill Bill volumes, as first version just wowed me out of my seat,..and totally deflated and disappoint with the 2nd version with way too long dialogue spots, meaningless scenes and characters and ridiculously disappointing ending.
the big difference is i really.enjoyed the finale battles and send off with End game vs the likes of Kill Bill Vol 2 with the ridiculous 2 second fight vs Bill

- but oh how i hated the first half of the End game film !!
For much of the first half of the film it was.just too slow paced and boring, .and it was all kinds of holes and confusion in the plot with this time line, travel back to time, meeting your double, trying to pack some comedy and humor into it via a fat retired Thor, an intellect glass nerd Hulk, etc that i was losing interest and adrenaline fast trying to view it.
i actual had to fight sleep and snoring off on it just to keep interest, but the last 30 minutes was very appealing, though i didn't understand how everyone was brought back to life that died in Infinity War ,.. except the Vision.

- And to make matters worst - they decided to make Hawkeye a big character in this movie but he has ALWAYS been just too boring and non-appealing (ditto with Capt. Marvel Brie Lauson !) .... Jeremy Remmers' Hawkeye simply brought absolutely nothing of splash to this film. i thought hawkeye should be the one that should have been died off instead of Black widow

- Not only was the end easily the best part because of it's explosive action sequences and CGI special effects with the battle vs Thanos who has become one of the all time villains in any movie, imo. but something tragically happens that totally changes the future outcome of any and all connections with Avengers related movie or character. So the rumors were true for some Avengers characters unfortunately.

- Marvel studio is trying to build up this Captain Marvel but even in this End Game film, she is utterly boring and non- appealing. Brie Lauson is a bad actress to me., .or is she is just totally miscast for this character.
i really believe the success of Capt Marvel box office smash success clearly was so connected to End game - if you separate the two, we'd hear bust bomb reviews from critics and it would have come to an end at just the solo movie alone. But such is the phenomenal attention, attraction and success of the Avengers series - especially when clued into Infinity War ..and End Game.
it's a phenom we probably won't ever see in our era again ....

On a scale of 1 to 10, .i gave End Game 7.0

 

[Runwildboys]

With Avengers End Game:

As much hype and hooplah given to End Game Avengers by critics and general audiences, i was actually disappointed with it.

though considering the astounding record breaking box office numbers, i thought it was a ripoff from the astounding set up and build up that Infinity War brought in for it.

- Infinite war left me on such a high and anticipating the End game , while end game actually totally deflated that build up, it was totally day and night difference between the two movies.

- It kinda reminded me of Kill Bill volumes, as first version just wowed me out of my seat,..and totally deflated and disappoint with the 2nd version with way too long dialogue spots, meaningless scenes and characters and ridiculously disappointing ending.
the big difference is i really.enjoyed the finale battles and send off with End game vs the likes of Kill Bill Vol 2 with the ridiculous 2 second fight vs Bill

- but oh how i hated the first half of the End game film !!
For much of the first half of the film it was.just too slow paced and boring, .and it was all kinds of holes and confusion in the plot with this time line, travel back to time, meeting your double, trying to pack some comedy and humor into it via a fat retired Thor, an intellect glass nerd Hulk, etc that i was losing interest and adrenaline fast trying to view it.
i actual had to fight sleep and snoring off on it just to keep interest, but the last 30 minutes was very appealing, though i didn't understand how everyone was brought back to life that died in Infinity War ,.. except the Vision.

- And to make matters worst - they decided to make Hawkeye a big character in this movie but he has ALWAYS been just too boring and non-appealing (ditto with Capt. Marvel Brie Lauson !) .... Jeremy Remmers' Hawkeye simply brought absolutely nothing of splash to this film. i thought hawkeye should be the one that should have been died off instead of Black widow

- Not only was the end easily the best part because of it's explosive action sequences and CGI special effects with the battle vs Thanos who has become one of the all time villains in any movie, imo. but something tragically happens that totally changes the future outcome of any and all connections with Avengers related movie or character. So the rumors were true for some Avengers characters unfortunately.

- Marvel studio is trying to build up this Captain Marvel but even in this End Game film, she is utterly boring and non- appealing. Brie Lauson is a bad actress to me., .or is she is just totally miscast for this character.
i really believe the success of Capt Marvel box office smash success clearly was so connected to End game - if you separate the two, we'd hear bust bomb reviews from critics and it would have come to an end at just the solo movie alone. But such is the phenomenal attention, attraction and success of the Avengers series - especially when clued into Infinity War ..and End Game.
it's a phenom we probably won't ever see in our era again ....

On a scale of 1 to 10, .i gave End Game 7.0

I think you were expecting Endgame to be on a different level than anything ever made,rather than a continuation of the first half.

 

[visionary]

With Avengers End Game:

As much hype and hooplah given to End Game Avengers by critics and general audiences, i was actually disappointed with it.

though considering the astounding record breaking box office numbers, i thought it was a ripoff from the astounding set up and build up that Infinity War brought in for it.

- Infinite war left me on such a high and anticipating the End game , while end game actually totally deflated that build up, it was totally day and night difference between the two movies.

- It kinda reminded me of Kill Bill volumes, as first version just wowed me out of my seat,..and totally deflated and disappoint with the 2nd version with way too long dialogue spots, meaningless scenes and characters and ridiculously disappointing ending.
the big difference is i really.enjoyed the finale battles and send off with End game vs the likes of Kill Bill Vol 2 with the ridiculous 2 second fight vs Bill

- but oh how i hated the first half of the End game film !!
For much of the first half of the film it was.just too slow paced and boring, .and it was all kinds of holes and confusion in the plot with this time line, travel back to time, meeting your double, trying to pack some comedy and humor into it via a fat retired Thor, an intellect glass nerd Hulk, etc that i was losing interest and adrenaline fast trying to view it.
i actual had to fight sleep and snoring off on it just to keep interest, but the last 30 minutes was very appealing, though i didn't understand how everyone was brought back to life that died in Infinity War ,.. except the Vision.

- And to make matters worst - they decided to make Hawkeye a big character in this movie but he has ALWAYS been just too boring and non-appealing (ditto with Capt. Marvel Brie Lauson !) .... Jeremy Remmers' Hawkeye simply brought absolutely nothing of splash to this film. i thought hawkeye should be the one that should have been died off instead of Black widow

- Not only was the end easily the best part because of it's explosive action sequences and CGI special effects with the battle vs Thanos who has become one of the all time villains in any movie, imo. but something tragically happens that totally changes the future outcome of any and all connections with Avengers related movie or character. So the rumors were true for some Avengers characters unfortunately.

- Marvel studio is trying to build up this Captain Marvel but even in this End Game film, she is utterly boring and non- appealing. Brie Lauson is a bad actress to me., .or is she is just totally miscast for this character.
i really believe the success of Capt Marvel box office smash success clearly was so connected to End game - if you separate the two, we'd hear bust bomb reviews from critics and it would have come to an end at just the solo movie alone. But such is the phenomenal attention, attraction and success of the Avengers series - especially when clued into Infinity War ..and End Game.
it's a phenom we probably won't ever see in our era again ....

On a scale of 1 to 10, .i gave End Game 7.0

I liked End Game but totally totally agree with you about how slow the first half was (could have easily chopped off 30+ min) I was literally pulling my hair out and Capt Marvel

 

[Kevinicus]

I think you were expecting Endgame to be on a different level than anything ever made,rather than a continuation of the first half.

Nah, a 7 is about right. It's very flawed and pales in comparison to Infinity War.

 

[Runwildboys]

Nah, a 7 is about right. It's very flawed and pales in comparison to Infinity War.

Different strokes, I guess. Being a movie based on comic books, I don't look too deeply into the feasibility aspects or time travel holes...though since nobody actually knows what the ramifications of time travel would be, I don't think anyone can really gripe too much about that.

 

[quickccc]

I think you were expecting Endgame to be on a different level than anything ever made,rather than a continuation of the first half.

my question would be why couldn't the brothers continue to that from Infinity to End Game -

Infinity really hit the ground running from the opening moment,... the involvement of spider man and his new tenacles legged suit, the awesome cliff hanging ending, the strategy to rescue Dr. Strange, Thanos and Gamora, the deal with Death to obtain another gem, how Avengers met Guardians, it was so wonderfully paced and flowing, and it still was able to implement plenty of humor in several spots and occasions during the film without halting and dragging the flow.

And they very well properly used and utilized just about every superhero that was in the - the introduction of character development of Thanos so brilliantly done. And if you've watched Xmen Apocalypse, and what they did to Apocalypse, ( or didn't do) you can tell the directors touch makes a world of difference in bringing out the best out of that Villain element.

I admit that after seeing Infinity and being so incredibly wow factor impressed leaving the theater, I was just hyped and built up and fired up can't wait to see End Game, ( and you wouldn't believe how hard I tried to avoid all the leak news and spoiler alerts) but every thing just was put on a slow down new format ( a talking, heckling, joking Hulk with glasses ?!!) that I wasn't close to preparing for.

 

[quickccc]

Nah, a 7 is about right. It's very flawed and pales in comparison to Infinity War.

it did. it really did.

Only thing that really left him in awed in End Game was the loss of Tony Stark, Natassia Black Widow and Capt. America ( super aged Steve Rogers) and an send off goodbye to future Avengers
films. and especially since Capt. A also gave me one of my other favorite superhero film with the awesome " Winter Soldier."

and I could be very wrong, but I just do not see Marvel/Disney ever coming even close to replacing Robert Downey Jr.'s Tony Stark character. He really made Stark quite a unique character to behold in these films .
Good luck with that.

 

[nobody]

I gotta agree on giving it a 7. Not all movies have to be an 8-10 to be enjoyable enough to watch in a theater.

I liked Spider-man Far From Home much better than Endgame....and even it had some meh moments and stupid ideas.

 

[quickccc]

such was the tremendous growing power of popularity with Marvels Avengers - and having the smash success of Winter Soldier, Civil War and Black Panther rolling momentum and
involvement into Infinity/End Game series definitely had a major factor in it.

I had heard even non- superhero audience viewers that normally would not be that interested in Infinity/End game, all of sudden finding themselves craving to see it because they
had to see what the hype was all about.
it build like a tidal wave and combined that with Infinity's enormous box office success - and that shocking cliff hanger of it, ..into seeing the continuation of End Game.

Even the very average Captain Marvel film, has enjoyed incredible box office success both in the States as well as world wide.
But we know that had to be completely tied into her involvement and link to End Game.
That's just how powerful a viewers' interest End Game was generating,

 

[John813]

it did. it really did.

Only thing that really left him in awed in End Game was the loss of Tony Stark, Natassia Black Widow and Capt. America ( super aged Steve Rogers) and an send off goodbye to future Avengers
films. and especially since Capt. A also gave me one of my other favorite superhero film with the awesome " Winter Soldier."

and I could be very wrong, but I just do not see Marvel/Disney ever coming even close to replacing Robert Downey Jr.'s Tony Stark character. He really made Stark quite a unique character to behold in these films .
Good luck with that.

There is no replacing RDJ impact on the films.

I understood he didn't want to play the character much longer, as they gave him several outs over the years. Just a shame he's truly gone. Just sort of wish he "retired" and not died, but hey I'm no film writer.

 

[quickccc]

There is no replacing RDJ impact on the films.

I understood he didn't want to play the character much longer, as they gave him several outs over the years. Just a shame he's truly gone. Just sort of wish he "retired" and not died, but hey I'm no film writer.

so was that the same "done with Avenger-ing, and wanting out " decision with Chris Evans and his Capt. America character as well ?
he also announced that he was done with superhero bid, and it was time to move on, Coincidence that both top stars decided to call it quits ?
At one point, I was hearing the rumors of way too much money demands with the two lead characters.

 

[Runwildboys]

my question would be why couldn't the brothers continue to that from Infinity to End Game -

Infinity really hit the ground running from the opening moment,... the involvement of spider man and his new tenacles legged suit, the awesome cliff hanging ending, the strategy to rescue Dr. Strange, Thanos and Gamora, the deal with Death to obtain another gem, how Avengers met Guardians, it was so wonderfully paced and flowing, and it still was able to implement plenty of humor in several spots and occasions during the film without halting and dragging the flow.

And they very well properly used and utilized just about every superhero that was in the - the introduction of character development of Thanos so brilliantly done. And if you've watched Xmen Apocalypse, and what they did to Apocalypse, ( or didn't do) you can tell the directors touch makes a world of difference in bringing out the best out of that Villain element.

I admit that after seeing Infinity and being so incredibly wow factor impressed leaving the theater, I was just hyped and built up and fired up can't wait to see End Game, ( and you wouldn't believe how hard I tried to avoid all the leak news and spoiler alerts) but every thing just was put on a slow down new format ( a talking, heckling, joking Hulk with glasses ?!!) that I wasn't close to preparing for.

But you had to expect a lull in the action, simply to remind the audience to grieve. Had they just thrown the movie into overdrive from the start, it would have been the typical Hollywood story: Good defeats evil. IMO, it was necessary to make us wonder, at least to a degree, if they were going to be able to save anyone, much less everyone.

The mood of Endgame had to be somber long enough to make the audience feel it. That's my take, anyway. I loved it.

 

[quickccc]

But you had to expect a lull in the action, simply to remind the audience to grieve. Had they just thrown the movie into overdrive from the start, it would have been the typical Hollywood story: Good defeats evil. IMO, it was necessary to make us wonder, at least to a degree, if they were going to be able to save anyone, much less everyone.

The mood of Endgame had to be somber long enough to make the audience feel it. That's my take, anyway. I loved it.

I've seen some great hero films that continued a great pace along with it's action sequences, that had sad, heartbreaking moving moments without having dull spell dialogue and senseless moments to slow the film.
- Spider-Man (sam raimi/Tobey McGuire version) with uncle ben dying, ..
. - Rachel getting the bomb in Dark Knight... -
- Jean Grey self-sacrifice in Xmen United,
- Professor Xavier stabbed to death in his sleep in Logan
- Steve Trevor in self sacrifice bombing in Wonder Woman
there were grieving death moments with death-passing in these films without a need to lull the movies down. And when there is a death such as those mentioned, it doesn't become
the usual 'good vs evil.' Aside from Uncle Ben, we didn't see these other unexpected surprised deaths.

 

[Runwildboys]

I've seen some great hero films that continued a great pace along with it's action sequences, that had sad, heartbreaking moving moments without having dull spell dialogue and senseless moments to slow the film.
- Spider-Man (sam raimi/Tobey McGuire version) with uncle ben dying, ..
. - Rachel getting the bomb in Dark Knight... -
- Jean Grey self-sacrifice in Xmen United,
- Professor Xavier stabbed to death in his sleep in Logan
- Steve Trevor in self sacrifice bombing in Wonder Woman
there were grieving death moments with death-passing in these films without a need to lull the movies down. And when there is a death such as those mentioned, it doesn't become
the usual 'good vs evil.' Aside from Uncle Ben, we didn't see these other unexpected surprised deaths.

But these weren't on the scale of the amount of life taken in Infinity War. Also, most of the ones you mention didn't start the movie off, in fact, most were toward the end of a single movie.

Uncle Ben: As you alluded to, a well established event, so no need to spend a huge amount of time on it.
Rachel: I personally didn't like her anyway, and she wasn't really a character the audience had much invested in.
Jean Grey: At the end of the movie.
Prof X: Already saw him die once, in a previous movie, in a much more dramatic fashion.
Steve Trevor: End of the film, and it was a poor copy of Captain America's airplane sacrifice...and I absolutely saw his death coming, because we first saw WW in the present, where he obviously wouldn't be.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this subject. All due respect.