The Elite QB Farce

[Aviano90]

In thread after thread I keep seeing you make similar comments which amount to

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Saying you are dissatisfied is fine. Saying you don’t agree with the teams plans are fine. But, if you’re going to post in a thread that has turned into another Dak thread, it would really help contribute to the discussion if you would offer any real suggestions on *how* the Cowboys should go about achieving these things that you feel are so important.

I’m definitely not trying to be insulting but if you don’t have any ideas, that’s fine. It’s perfectly ok to just say “ARGH THIS SUCKS!!!” just don’t expect other posters to really understand your position.

This is not an unreasonable request especially considering who you are speaking. This is is the exact thing he requested be done when discussing Jason Garrett being fired. I’m actually interested in hearing his response.

 

[Diehardblues]

In thread after thread I keep seeing you make similar comments which amount to

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Saying you are dissatisfied is fine. Saying you don’t agree with the teams plans are fine. But, if you’re going to post in a thread that has turned into another Dak thread, it would really help contribute to the discussion if you would offer any real suggestions on *how* the Cowboys should go about achieving these things that you feel are so important.

I’m definitely not trying to be insulting but if you don’t have any ideas, that’s fine. It’s perfectly ok to just say “ARGH THIS SUCKS!!!” just don’t expect other posters to really understand your position.

I’ve offered the solutions are in the draft. The first round to be specific. I’ve said it time and time again.

I’m tired of trying to develop undrafted and later round QB’s. Let’s use the same method we have in addressing other big needs with higher picks in the drafts.

I researched it a couple years ago and on average about 80% of the starting QB’s in the NFL are drafted in 1st round .

 

[Kwyn]

I’ve offered the solutions are in the draft. The first round to be specific. I’ve said it time and time again.

I’m tired of trying to develop undrafted and later round QB’s. Let’s use the same method we have in addressing other big needs with higher picks in the drafts.

I researched it a couple years ago and on average about 80% of the starting QB’s in the NFL are drafted in 1st round .

Ok. Got you down for picking bear available QB at #17

Does the fact that McCarthy said yesterday that he’s committed to Dak and that the main thing that differentiates the Cowboys from the Other teams hiring a HC was the fact that we had Dak in the roster?

it looks like a lot of these discussions about “what do do with QB” are about to become moot because we know how Jerry feels and now McCarthy is unequivocally on the record as wanting Dak long term.

this will leave us with going forward for several years where folks who don’t want Dak can only complain Bout him because it looks like QB is about to be a done and dusted topic. Any near future suggestions of drafting a QB or signing a free agent QB are going to be like spitting in the wind

 

[Diehardblues]

This thread is a discussion about the lack of importance an Elite QB is in winning championships.

It’s the most important position in the NFL. It’s the highest paid position in the NFL. The largest portion of the Salary Cap once they pass their Rookie contract is invested at this position.

Once you pay this position then it lessens the ability to surround them with as much support. It’s why it’s difficult for these Elite QB’s to continue to win championships . But with an Elite QB you’re almost always in contention and why most of them are continuously in the playoffs and multiple championship appearances.

Yes, teams can win a championship without one but they must build a much better team around them and then hope they don’t face a team whose Elite QB is the difference.

And if you do build the team around them like a great defense much more difficult to maintain all of the supporting cast in Cap era. But everyone must have a QB and you must pay them.

The difference of how talented they are does make a huge difference in how you build your team and investments that need to be done to shore up those weaknesses.

It’s why we continue to see teams over reach in draft trading away valuable picks or moving up or over pay in FA to obtain their next QB. They realize the importance.

Unfortunately, not everyone can have one of the top QB’s and teams will continue attempting to build around more average QB’s but IMO it’s a tougher road to reaching our goals.

 

[Diehardblues]

Ok. Got you down for picking bear available QB at #17

Does the fact that McCarthy said yesterday that he’s committed to Dak and that the main thing that differentiates the Cowboys from the Other teams hiring a HC was the fact that we had Dak in the roster?

it looks like a lot of these discussions about “what do do with QB” are about to become moot because we know how Jerry feels and now McCarthy is unequivocally on the record as wanting Dak long term.

this will leave us with going forward for several years where folks who don’t want Dak can only complain Bout him because it looks like QB is about to be a done and dusted topic. Any near future suggestions of drafting a QB or signing a free agent QB are going to be like spitting in the wind

I understand. But I’m not here to just follow along with status quo. I’m here to point out what I believe will aide in reaching our goals.

You’re welcome to accept whatever decisions the team makes.

 

[Diehardblues]

This is what we do on a fan forum is second guess decisions playing Couch Coach ( no pun intended CC)and Monday Morning QB. We aren’t obliged to follow along with status quo.

If all some fans want to do is cheer along . That’s fine. That’s their prerogative. I reserve that for 60 minutes 16 weeks a year.

But my time here is going to be spent offering my perspective and spin on results and potential solutions to better reach our goals.

 

[BoysForLife]

This is what we do on a fan forum is second guess decisions playing Couch Coach ( no pun intended CC)and Monday Morning QB. We aren’t obliged to follow along with status quo.

If all some fans want to do is cheer along . That’s fine. That’s their prerogative. I reserve that for 60 minutes 16 weeks a year.

But my time here is going to be spent offering my perspective and spin on results and potential solutions to better reach our goals.

agreed. I kind of thought that’s why everyone was here

apparently you’re only allowed to do this if your opinions satisfy certain criteria. Otherwise you’ll get the full brunt of the mob directed your way

 

[G2]

I’ve offered the solutions are in the draft. The first round to be specific. I’ve said it time and time again.

I’m tired of trying to develop undrafted and later round QB’s. Let’s use the same method we have in addressing other big needs with higher picks in the drafts.

I researched it a couple years ago and on average about 80% of the starting QB’s in the NFL are drafted in 1st round .

We clearly have more dire needs than QB. I understand you have your own definition of elite, but that's not a prerequisite to a successful team regardless. Some fans think: "All we need to do is draft a 1st rounder." Yeah, sure. Because it always works out? No, it doesn't. That's the reality. You also suggest that we wouldn't need to develop said "elite" 1st rounder? Also not realistic. It would most likely take a couple years. And then we wait another couple years. Prescott played at a high level his entire career. Never missed a game. While "Elite" 1st rounders all over the place like Wentz can't even stay on the field.
Again, QB isn't a "big need."

 

[G2]

This is what we do on a fan forum is second guess decisions playing Couch Coach ( no pun intended CC)and Monday Morning QB. We aren’t obliged to follow along with status quo.

If all some fans want to do is cheer along . That’s fine. That’s their prerogative. I reserve that for 60 minutes 16 weeks a year.

But my time here is going to be spent offering my perspective and spin on results and potential solutions to better reach our goals.

The forum concept is what anyone wants it to be, not just the "World according to Greg." version. And that's how it works, people disagree and debates happen. It should be fun, but some suck the life out of anything remotely humorous.
Your perspective is very well documented because you tow the company line and hardly ever except other perspectives. But you're quick to illustrate how you think the forum should operate.

 

[Diehardblues]

The forum concept is what anyone wants it to be, not just the "World according to Greg." version. And that's how it works, people disagree and debates happen. It should be fun, but some suck the life out of anything remotely humorous.
Your perspective is very well documented because you tow the company line and hardly ever except other perspectives. But you're quick to illustrate how you think the forum should operate.

I challenge status quo.I wouldn’t describe following status quo as a perspective. Lol

I hardly ever accept status quo.

 

[Diehardblues]

We clearly have more dire needs than QB. I understand you have your own definition of elite, but that's not a prerequisite to a successful team regardless. Some fans think: "All we need to do is draft a 1st rounder." Yeah, sure. Because it always works out? No, it doesn't. That's the reality. You also suggest that we wouldn't need to develop said "elite" 1st rounder? Also not realistic. It would most likely take a couple years. And then we wait another couple years. Prescott played at a high level his entire career. Never missed a game. While "Elite" 1st rounders all over the place like Wentz can't even stay on the field.
Again, QB isn't a "big need."

It is if you want to reach the next level. If this is Daks performance at a high level. I’m not impressed and the results haven’t taken us where our ultimate goals are.

You're certainly entitled to your opinions and if we are content where we are then I can see accepting status quo.

 

[cern]

I understand. But I’m not here to just follow along with status quo. I’m here to point out what I believe will aide in reaching our goals.

You’re welcome to accept whatever decisions the team makes.

And you are free to do so, no matter how wrong you might be.

 

[cern]

It is if you want to reach the next level. If this is Daks performance at a high level. I’m not impressed and the results haven’t taken us where our ultimate goals are.

You're certainly entitled to your opinions and if we are content where we are then I can see accepting status quo.

The elder wand only answers to you.

 

[CouchCoach]

We clearly have more dire needs than QB. I understand you have your own definition of elite, but that's not a prerequisite to a successful team regardless. Some fans think: "All we need to do is draft a 1st rounder." Yeah, sure. Because it always works out? No, it doesn't. That's the reality. You also suggest that we wouldn't need to develop said "elite" 1st rounder? Also not realistic. It would most likely take a couple years. And then we wait another couple years. Prescott played at a high level his entire career. Never missed a game. While "Elite" 1st rounders all over the place like Wentz can't even stay on the field.
Again, QB isn't a "big need."

This is the critical part. I do not recall a team with a new HC having the QB, WR1 and CB1 all up at the same time. There are some other considerations like the FA DE and WR but this is new territory.

Let's all go back to the one thing we seem to be able to agree on, the coaching was a drawback to the advancement of this team. While I do not agree about the talent level of this team, I completely agree that they should have won the East and should have beaten SEA. GB? That's another game.

If this is true, then with a 90% coaching change, doesn't it stand to reason that too many changes can actually put us back, not take us forward.

The HC has said the QB in place was one of the lures that caught him. What he stopped short of saying was the team underperformed because that's taking a shot at the guy going out the door. He knew this was the job to have and he believes this QB can run his offense. And do not underestimate the fact he has identified a QB with a team ego, not the ones he had to deal with in GB.

The bottom line for me is easy. There were two HC's I wanted and they got one of them. I am good with his decisions, particularly at QB, because he knows a hell of a lot more than I do and his butt is on the line and he's not just looking to win, he's looking for redemption.

I believe what won the Joneses over was his desire to build around this QB. They like him, and not only for his play on the field, they genuinely like the way he handles being the player in the most polarizing position in all sports. The previous QB had to learn how to handle that, this one came ready to do that. Roger and Troy don't have to endorse him, they don't have to say anything but both take the opportunity to sing his praises. Troy was the one with the "accuracy can't be changed" position and he is solidly in Prescott's camp he thinks Dak is on the edge of elite, if not there.

 

[Diehardblues]

And you are free to do so, no matter how wrong you might be.

It always amazes me how many fans want to align themselves with status quo of this franchise with the results , decisions and direction we’ve had this era.

 

[Diehardblues]

The elder wand only answers to you.

I don’t expect anyone to accept or agree with my perspective. My agenda is only to present and provide a perspective or insight not everyone has thought of or considered. And hopefully plant some seeds which can grow.

Much like in my social campaigns I often take on status quo. I’ve been a rebel since my school days and I don’t expect my attitudes to change in my senior years.

 

[CouchCoach]

And you are free to do so, no matter how wrong you might be.

Ain't that grand? A place where we are actually allowed to be wrong? Where every opinion is equal? But the best part is being allowed to change one's opinion without recriminations.

That's the beauty of this place, you can hold your opinion up against the light to see how it holds up. You can have opposing opinions and views and still be civil, hell, even like one another.

Oh, forgive me, I was off in CC's Fantasy Forum. Time to feed the unicorns, gaze upon the rainbows and frolic in the sunshine with the butterflies of brotherhood.

 

[Diehardblues]

This is the critical part. I do not recall a team with a new HC having the QB, WR1 and CB1 all up at the same time. There are some other considerations like the FA DE and WR but this is new territory.

Let's all go back to the one thing we seem to be able to agree on, the coaching was a drawback to the advancement of this team. While I do not agree about the talent level of this team, I completely agree that they should have won the East and should have beaten SEA. GB? That's another game.

If this is true, then with a 90% coaching change, doesn't it stand to reason that too many changes can actually put us back, not take us forward.

The HC has said the QB in place was one of the lures that caught him. What he stopped short of saying was the team underperformed because that's taking a shot at the guy going out the door. He knew this was the job to have and he believes this QB can run his offense. And do not underestimate the fact he has identified a QB with a team ego, not the ones he had to deal with in GB.

The bottom line for me is easy. There were two HC's I wanted and they got one of them. I am good with his decisions, particularly at QB, because he knows a hell of a lot more than I do and his butt is on the line and he's not just looking to win, he's looking for redemption.

I believe what won the Joneses over was his desire to build around this QB. They like him, and not only for his play on the field, they genuinely like the way he handles being the player in the most polarizing position in all sports. The previous QB had to learn how to handle that, this one came ready to do that. Roger and Troy don't have to endorse him, they don't have to say anything but both take the opportunity to sing his praises. Troy was the one with the "accuracy can't be changed" position and he is solidly in Prescott's camp he thinks Dak is on the edge of elite, if not there.

If Dak becomes Elite then our fortunes will change.

Mike endorsing Dak simply lended support for his hire which no one else had offered him a job. Perhaps his first sign of puppetry.

Maybe he thinks he can further develop Dak? I certainly hope so because if we see more of the same we saw like in Egirls game when the season was on the line I’m not very hopeful.

Dak shows spurts of greatness but not enough against greater teams and defenses. And his lack to overcome these slow starts when we get behind is a concern also. Dak doesn’t need to be the reason we lose but at some point he needs to be why we win if we expect to reach the next level.

 

[Diehardblues]

Ain't that grand? A place where we are actually allowed to be wrong? Where every opinion is equal? But the best part is being allowed to change one's opinion without recriminations.

That's the beauty of this place, you can hold your opinion up against the light to see how it holds up. You can have opposing opinions and views and still be civil, hell, even like one another.

Oh, forgive me, I was off in CC's Fantasy Forum. Time to feed the unicorns, gaze upon the rainbows and frolic in the sunshine with the butterflies of brotherhood.

Right

I believe it was you that said that’s what makes this forum so much fun. We can throw out our opinions , be wrong and come right back with our next thought.

Which is much like the experts do in handicapping games. They are all in until they’re proven wrong. Then they have to come right back and handicap the next game.

In the end much like handicapping to maintain some following or respect you only need to be right a little more than 50%.

 

[BoysForLife]

It always amazes me how many fans want to align themselves with status quo of this franchise with the results , decisions and direction we’ve had this era.

This is a very valid point. Many of the same people bashing Jerry for a litany of decisions he has made are the first ones who have his back because he supports Dak

Like this is the one magical time Jerry is somehow going to get it right By setting the market with a massive contract LOL