Jerry Jones: Dak stats are “garbage time” [Personal Opinion Included]

Diehardblues said:

If fans can’t see the difference of this team with or without Dak then it’s not going to matter what’s said.Their agenda will continue driving the narrative.

Sound bites like this just provide some ammo for their narrative even if it’s taken out of context or intent.

As usual reality is somewhere in between. And I’ve often been critical of Dak if you read all of my post in this thread and history over the years but to be objective we must also provide his contributions.

If you don’t believe we have a better chance of winning with Dak then I’m not sure where to go with it.

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Better chance of winning 8 games with him with the current team, yes. Chance of winning more than 8 games after paying him 40 mill a year, no.

khiladi said:

No, Dalton won that game. Dak has proven himself BELOW the league average in QB rating NFL comebacks when he needs a TD to score within the last four minutes. Last year, he didn’t win a single game when down by half-time. He’s been that way for years.

Nothing of Dak’s history shows he would have beat the Giants..

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I can't even...Jesus.

You do realize, o wise one, that the Cowboys were up when Dak got hurt? That the game was in the 3rd quarter and Dak got injured on a first down run...which made it 2nd down and like 2...inside the redzone...in a game that the Cowboys were already up.

O happy days.

5Stars said:

Hmmm, I do like Dak and think he can win in this league, however, and that is a big however, I just wonder if some if his critics, like me, would calm down a little if Dak would lower his asking price to something reasonable to help HIS team? There is absolutely nobody in the world including other players, celebs, politicians, doctors, lawyers or indian chiefs that need to live on 35 million freaking dollars a year playing for a few months out of the year!

This, I think is one of the reasons Dak is taking such flack for being the average, or above average QB that thinks he needs that much cash to live on for the rest of his life even if he has a career ending injury. And for this I understand the criticism that he gets.

I can hear it now...but, but, but, so and so got paid! So what? It's about a Superbowl not how much more money can be made than others got. Greed > SB's...and that is not how it used to be with the 90's Cowboys...they had pride and wanted to win, not just get paid!

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I don't think Dak is thinking he needs $35 million a year to live, it's more about being compensated around the same level as players at a similar level who negotiate at a similar point in time. I think it's human nature for anyone to want to be compensated as well as those that bring similar talents to the table.

And let's not put this all on Dak. Outside of guys like Brady or Brees who could already fill a warehouse with money, everyone in the NFL is looking to get the maximum they can out of the market. That's not just a Dak thing.

WillieBeamen said:

How are yall gonna say “These QBs cant get the same results as Dak!!” but then make excuses when an actual QB (Gilbert) does?

Romo didnt get the benefit of the doubt and neither should Dakota...

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I always think Romo was underrated dont put me in that category. I am not taking anything away from Gilberts performance. At all. He played lights out and deserved a win. All I am saying is when you're studying tape from their high school days its hard to know what they are going to do lol. And Gilbert didnt put up Dak stats. Not even close. He did look good though. I am more talking about Dalton who everyone here swore up and down would look the same if not better than Dak. And are still trying to spin that.

WillieBeamen said:

How are yall gonna say “These QBs cant get the same results as Dak!!” but then make excuses when an actual QB (Gilbert) does?

Romo didnt get the benefit of the doubt and neither should Dakota...

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Umm.. 19 points? Gilbert and his 200 yards or passing with 1 TD and 1 INT are the "same results" as a guy who was averaging 381 yards passing a game and leading an offense that was scoring over 33 ppg? What am I missing.. 60% of the yards and less than 60% of the points? 6.4 yards per attempt vs 8.4 yards per attempt for Dak. 53% completion rate vs 68% for Dak.. "Same?" Please explain how that's the "same results?"

OmerV said:

I don't think Dak is thinking he needs $35 million a year to live, it's more about being compensated around the same level as players at a similar level who negotiate at a similar point in time. I think it's human nature for anyone to want to be compensated as well as those that bring similar talents to the table.

And let's not put this all on Dak. Outside of guys like Brady or Brees who could already fill a warehouse with money, everyone in the NFL is looking to get the maximum they can out of the market. That's not just a Dak thing.

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Your Honor, I would like to show exhibit #1. I knew this was coming.

If you don't think Dak is thinking he needs $35 mil a year to live on, then why is he asking for that?

(oh, but it's not Dak asking for that, it's his agent, not Dak). (this will come next).

Sevenup3000 said:

That offense has scored 2 TDs in 4 full games since Dak went down. I don't care if they waited to the last minute every game. Much of the same personnel, 2 TDs in 4 full games.

Dak deserves the MVP award for that alone.

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I didn't say it was Dak's fault I'm just saying obviously there was already an issue.

5Stars said:

Your Honor, I would like to show exhibit #1. I knew this was coming.

If you don't think Dak is thinking he needs $35 mil a year to live on, then why is he asking for that?

(oh, but it's not Dak asking for that, it's his agent, not Dak). (this will come next).

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I explained why he is asking for that. It's right there in the post you quoted. Hell, you bolded part of it, and coupled with the next sentence, there is your answer.

OmerV said:

I don't think Dak is thinking he needs $35 million a year to live, it's more about being compensated around the same level as players at a similar level who negotiate at a similar point in time. I think it's human nature for anyone to want to be compensated as well as those that bring similar talents to the table.

And let's not put this all on Dak. Outside of guys like Brady or Brees who could already fill a warehouse with money, everyone in the NFL is looking to get the maximum they can out of the market. That's not just a Dak thing.

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and if the team feels he's not worth it then that's their market. Tired of hearing teams should automatically pay what players want just because of so and so other player.

gjkoeppen said:

Except the other teams have know for a couple three years that they really didn't have to fear Elliott anymore. The coaches of the other 31 teams saw that Elliott's production has fallen off every year so they haven't bought into running it to open up the passing.
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very true . agree .

OmerV said:

I understand it's not 100% apples to apples, although I will say early in his career defenses were not worried that much about Brees. He didn't come into the league with the same status as Manning, and wasn't putting up 4,000+ yard seasons.

And I agree it's not the only measure, but that was the measure being used in the quote I responded to. I was actually making the point that that this isn't the only measure.

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agree. plus the zeke meteoric decline helped erode the offense.

5Stars said:

Hmmm, I do like Dak and think he can win in this league, however, and that is a big however, I just wonder if some if his critics, like me, would calm down a little if Dak would lower his asking price to something reasonable to help HIS team? There is absolutely nobody in the world including other players, celebs, politicians, doctors, lawyers or indian chiefs that need to live on 35 million freaking dollars a year playing for a few months out of the year!

This, I think is one of the reasons Dak is taking such flack for being the average, or above average QB that thinks he needs that much cash to live on for the rest of his life even if he has a career ending injury. And for this I understand the criticism that he gets.

I can hear it now...but, but, but, so and so got paid! So what? It's about a Superbowl not how much more money can be made than others got. Greed > SB's...and that is not how it used to be with the 90's Cowboys...they had pride and wanted to win, not just get paid!

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Your memory may be painting those guys with a more favorable brush than reality. Emmitt got the biggest RB contract in league history.. twice. Aikman was the highest paid QB at least once.. and was never out of the top 5. In fact I remember hearing that he had an escalator clause in one of his contracts that he would always get a raise to keep him there if the market left him behind. Irvin was always among the top 5 paid receivers. Novacek was top 5 among tight ends.. Larry Allen was tops among all o-linemen for a spell. And do I even need to mention the record Deion deal?

As for your first point.. there are people who hate Dak .. and would not shut up about him if he was playing for 1 million a year or a thousand a year. Dak is far above an average QB. It's debatable where he ranks in the top 10.. but very few experts rate him OUTSIDE the top 10. That's not average.. Second, as has been pointed out.. the salary isn't about "what I need to live on.." It's about market value and respect and appreciation for what a player has done and will do for his franchise. Not just for Dak but also for other players who will come behind him. The players association and Dak's agent probably remind him every 15 minutes that if he takes a deal significantly below market value he will be compromising the negotiating power of every player that comes after him. He would be taking money out of the pockets of his brothers. So that billionaire owners can have more money.. To hell with that.

InTheZone said:

and if the team feels he's not worth it then that's their market. Tired of hearing teams should automatically pay what players want just because of so and so other player.

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I'm not saying that. If the team decides they don't want to pay that level that's absolutely their decision to make. Every negotiation doesn't end in a deal.

OmerV said:

I explained why he is asking for that. It's right there in the post you quoted. Hell, you bolded part of it, and coupled with the next sentence, there is your answer.

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So, I was right...greed > SB's. Just because some other scrub got paid, then this scrub should get paid also? Got it...carry on. smh

OmerV said:

I'm not saying that. If the team decides they don't want to pay that level that's absolutely their decision to make. Every negotiation doesn't end in a deal.

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The hell you are not saying that, that is exactely what you are saying!

InTheZone said:

and if the team feels he's not worth it then that's their market. Tired of hearing teams should automatically pay what players want just because of so and so other player.

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Daddy Jerry, the kid down the street got a bigger bike than mine, I want a BIGGER ONE! (knowing that either one of them can't ride a freaking bike better than the other kid).

InTheZone said:

and if the team feels he's not worth it then that's their market. Tired of hearing teams should automatically pay what players want just because of so and so other player.

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"Other players" establish the market.. Teams don't automatically have to do anything. The Cowboys could have said sayonara to Dak before the season if they felt he was not the guy or that his asking price was out of their range. Every team has a right to pay what they wanna pay and every player has a right to ask for whatever they wanna ask for. That's just business. I think most sane people acknowledge that had the Cowboys not franchised Dak his list of suiters would have been long.. As I have stated many times.. just about every "expert" had him as the #1 free agent on the market. Not Brees, not Brady, not Rivers, not Newton, not Winston, not Bridgewater.... Prescott.. The Cowboys knew it too.. hence the tag..

RonnieT24 said:

If you're gonna post numbers then post them accurately or you're gonna get called on it. Happens to the best of us.. you'll live.

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There is an idiom that goes something like “missing the Forest for the trees.” Are you going to criticize spelling and grammar too? Dak’s numbers are nothing but inflated, against garbage defenses and in meaningless games, like his 4 TD performance against the Commanders in the last game of the season, while not being able to put up any points against Wentz and the Eagles third-string scrub secondaries so as to be eliminated from play off contention. Small issues like harping on 14 TDs instead of 16 TDs all coming from the same two teams, the bottom dwellers of the NFC East, is actually being Petty, not a legitimate case for accuracy.

Sevenup3000 said:

I can't even...Jesus.

You do realize, o wise one, that the Cowboys were up when Dak got hurt? That the game was in the 3rd quarter and Dak got injured on a first down run...which made it 2nd down and like 2...inside the redzone...in a game that the Cowboys were already up.

O happy days.

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Yeah, they can go up and then go down again, to lose. Dallas has scored first in plenty of games. Dak is still below league average in QB rating when down by 4 to 7 points with like five minutes left, like I stated. Acting like Dak would have won the game because they were up at ‘some point in time’, meaning the ‘third quarter’ belies his actual history of not being clutch at all.

Andy Dalton went 9-11 on the other hand and won the game. But of course Dak lovers were telling us it was because Gallup ‘bailed’ him out on a poor throw.

khiladi said:

There is an idiom that goes something like “missing the Forest for the trees.” Are you going to criticize spelling and grammar too? Dak’s numbers are nothing but inflated, against garbage defenses and in meaningless games, like his 4 TD performance against the Commanders in the last game of the season, while not being able to put up any points against Wentz and the Eagles third-string scrub secondaries so as to be eliminated from play off contention. Small issues like harping on 14 TDs instead of 16 TDs all coming from the same two teams, the bottom dwellers of the NFC East, is actually being Petty, not a legitimate case for accuracy.

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Dak's arm hurt in the eagle game, and his finger, I think?