Who’s to say that Tolbert or Fehoko, Brown, Vasher or Turbin isn’t the answer?

Brax · Aug 3, 2022

gimmesix said:
It's absolutely OK to be skeptical. I know that runs counter to your programming, but not all skepticism is hating.

With Tolbert, Fehoko, Brown, Vasher and Turbin (and you left out Dennis Houston, who has been receiving some praise in camp), we're looking at a third-round pick, fifth-rounder, sixth-rounder, two UDFAs and smaller-league journeyman. The odds are against them becoming successful No. 2 and 3 receivers. Doesn't mean they won't, but some of us would prefer that the team prepare better for the strong possibility that they won't.

As I pointed out in another thread, the last UDFA receiver who proved to be more than a fourth-stringer (Miles Austin) was signed by us in 2005, that's 17 years ago, and it took him a while to become more than just a special-teamer. Of the 10 receivers we've drafted since 2009, only four have turned out to be No. 2 or No. 3 receivers, and two of those were drafted in the third round and didn't necessarily contribute at a high level their first year.

We're asking a lot of this group, and expecting them to deliver is very optimistic.

I feel much better about the line because four of the starters return from last year and we used a first-round pick on the other starting spot. The expectations should be higher even if there are some questions there.

Hater, negative Nancy.
JK good post

nalam · Aug 3, 2022

jazzcat22 said:
We are winning the super bowl. Yes, this season.

My parting post as I hit the road for trip with my son. I will check in for comments later.

Did you have the meg millions numbers correctly too , appreciate the next set of numbers , thanks ! :laugh:

tunahelper · Aug 3, 2022

Aerolithe_Lion said:
Everything in football can be broken down into probability. Drafting, hiring coaches, analytics… it’s all about playing the best hand you can and trying to skew the chances to your favor. Nothing favorable is assured, and on the flip side, sometimes even perceived bad decisions are home runs.

What is the probability the worst guy on the roster becomes the best guy? In 2016 you decided to roll the dice with Dak instead of bringing in another quarterback. And it worked better than anyone could have foreseen. Then in 2018, you cut Dez and decided to roll with a very mediocre receiver group. It turned out that mediocre would have been a complement to that group, and it crippled the team. So badly, in fact, that Jerry was forced to splurge for yet another 1st round pick-for-WR trade. In hindsight, he probably overpaid a bit for Amari, and then was forced to overpay once again in contract talks so as to not lose out on that first round investment. Dumping that contract burden was one of the highlights of this offseason.

So what is the probability there is a Dak Prescott in that receiver room? Could happen. Or, what is the probability we’ll see 2018 over again (even if for a short period until players return)? To sign an inexpensive veteran or trade for some insurance in the position can only improve your odds of success. What is the downside? Noah Brown gets fewer opportunities to show he’s still Noah Brown? What is the risk if Tolbert isn’t an instant star his rookie season as few receivers are? Some big games early on.

Sign a vet and sit the inexperienced scrubs. If they continue to practice well then increase their snaps as you go, however you need a fall back position.

Good GM's understand this and their job is to shore up the leak. You don't need a Jerry Rice, but we don't need a Turpin playing 50 snaps against the Bucs either.

JD_KaPow · Aug 3, 2022

Rockport said:
There’s so much negativity posted here about the WR position and the OL position. It’s like CZ posters actually know what’s going on in practice, in the locker room , in the classroom. This place is flooded with posters who think they know more than the Cowboys scouts, coaches.

Who’s to say that Tolbert or Fehoko, Brown, Vasher or Turbin isn’t the answer?

Who’s to say Biadiaz, Farniok, McGovern, Tyler Smith, Josh Ball, Alarcon aren’t the answer?

The truth is that no one can say 100% on any of this. Every year is a different team. So the haters like P and M and C out there who consistently crap on the QB, and thus the Cowboys, do not know squat. They HOPE that the Cowboys fail so they can blame the QB. But it’s only hope on their part. And that my friends, is sad.

Ah, I remember the 2018 preseason, when half of the folks here were like, "who's to say a WR corps of Gallup, Beasley, Tavon Austin and Hurns won't be awesome?" Well, pretty much everyone outside of here was saying that, and they were right.

Rockport · Aug 3, 2022

Brax said:
Truth is even the coaches don’t know, if they do they aren’t saying so. Truth is you don’t know anything more or less than anyone else. Truth is we won’t know until game 3-4 what everyone is capable of. Truth is you’re a blind miserable homer who has no idea of what the CZ is about and maybe you need to take another break because you are having trouble coping with others views. To be honest there are many some posters here that post observations, beliefs, reviews that are entertaining and enjoyable agree or not it’s what discussing is all about, you should find a new place to vent and everyone has your limited same type views. Stop crying and man up learn to discuss not rant.

Lot of whining again from you. Do you ever stop? Rhetorical question.

Toro9 · Aug 3, 2022

Brown has the best chance from what I've seen in two padded TC practices. He entered the league 6 years ago as a seventh round pick. The thing is, he was only 19. He's developed as a blocking WR but has also shown some ability as a real WR in spot time. Looks like he's leaned down a bit and has been making some plays in TC.

In the last 15 years, the Cowboys have had two UDFA WRs make an impact: Miles Austin and Cole Beasley. But who besides those two? Every year, there's some hype on an undrafted WR and almost every year they don't even make the PS.

Cedric Houston - I really don't know much about this guy other than he's an UDRFA. He's been running with ones since Washington's injury though... ???

I like T.J. Vasher's ability from what I've seen but in all honesty, he looks like a basketball player playing football. He knows how to run routes and catch, but.... Imo, Way too thin for comfort. He needs to add 15lbs in muscle.

As for Fehoko, I think he needs another year. He's kind of the Miles Austin type. It took Austin 3 years before he saw the field on a consistent basis.

Sydla · Aug 3, 2022

gimmesix said:
It's absolutely OK to be skeptical. I know that runs counter to your programming, but not all skepticism is hating.

With Tolbert, Fehoko, Brown, Vasher and Turbin (and you left out Dennis Houston, who has been receiving some praise in camp), we're looking at a third-round pick, fifth-rounder, sixth-rounder, two UDFAs and smaller-league journeyman. The odds are against them becoming successful No. 2 and 3 receivers. Doesn't mean they won't, but some of us would prefer that the team prepare better for the strong possibility that they won't.

As I pointed out in another thread, the last UDFA receiver who proved to be more than a fourth-stringer (Miles Austin) was signed by us in 2005, that's 17 years ago, and it took him a while to become more than just a special-teamer. Of the 10 receivers we've drafted since 2009, only four have turned out to be No. 2 or No. 3 receivers, and two of those were drafted in the third round and didn't necessarily contribute at a high level their first year.

We're asking a lot of this group, and expecting them to deliver is very optimistic.

I feel much better about the line because four of the starters return from last year and we used a first-round pick on the other starting spot. The expectations should be higher even if there are some questions there.

Oh look.

gimme bringing the common sense.

Well done, fella.

Brax · Aug 3, 2022

Rockport said:
Lot of whining again from you. Do you ever stop? Rhetorical question.

Don’t see any whining except from you. CZ is such a hard place for you, it’s almost funny if it wasn’t so sad.

Bullflop · Aug 3, 2022

The Cowboys have some promising candidates at WR to challenge for spots as legitimately good players. Here's hoping the good reports continue to be forthcoming in the weeks ahead.

I'd much prefer to see some of our young talents qualify as energetic and healthy starters than forced to consider spending excessively for old, injury-prone veterans who linger on the verge of retirement. We've spent too much time doing that in the past.

We need players that we can keep and develop for the future as our starters. That's how smart teams manage developing their players' skills to become championship-level teams. They allow their coaches to do what it takes to bring their most promising players along.

blueblood70 · Aug 3, 2022

Rockport said:
There’s so much negativity posted here about the WR position and the OL position. It’s like CZ posters actually know what’s going on in practice, in the locker room , in the classroom. This place is flooded with posters who think they know more than the Cowboys scouts, coaches.

Who’s to say that Tolbert or Fehoko, Brown, Vasher or Turbin isn’t the answer?

Who’s to say Biadiaz, Farniok, McGovern, Tyler Smith, Josh Ball, Alarcon aren’t the answer?

The truth is that no one can say 100% on any of this. Every year is a different team. So the haters like P and M and C out there who consistently crap on the QB, and thus the Cowboys, do not know squat. They HOPE that the Cowboys fail so they can blame the QB. But it’s only hope on their part. And that my friends, is sad.

agreed..i gotcha back

Runwildboys · Aug 3, 2022

Rockport said:
Lot of whining again from you. Do you ever stop? Rhetorical question.

Rocky, I want to ask you a question, seriously. Do you think constantly jabbing at people who don't share your opinion helps things? I can see if someone comes at you directly, but when they simply disagree with your take, why not calmly explain why you think you're right, rather than call them names or complain that they're "whining", "trolling", etc.?

I understand it gets on your nerves - sometimes it gets on mine too. But I find that either explaining my point of view rationally, or ignoring them makes it pass more quickly.

G2 · Aug 3, 2022

Runwildboys said:
Rocky, I want to ask you a question, seriously. Do you think constantly jabbing at people who don't share your opinion helps things? I can see if someone comes at you directly, but when they simply disagree with your take, why not calmly explain why you think you're right, rather than call them names or complain that they're "whining", "trolling", etc.?

I understand it gets on your nerves - sometimes it gets on mine too. But I find that either explaining my point of view rationally, or ignoring them makes it pass more quickly.

There's obviously a lot that goes unnoticed ( or ignored). This has been a significant issue here. It doesn't just escalate to this level.
But, you're 100% spot on. Ignoring them is the only answer.

Mannix · Aug 3, 2022

Rockport said:
There’s so much negativity posted here about the WR position and the OL position. It’s like CZ posters actually know what’s going on in practice, in the locker room , in the classroom. This place is flooded with posters who think they know more than the Cowboys scouts, coaches.

Who’s to say that Tolbert or Fehoko, Brown, Vasher or Turbin isn’t the answer?

Who’s to say Biadiaz, Farniok, McGovern, Tyler Smith, Josh Ball, Alarcon aren’t the answer?

The truth is that no one can say 100% on any of this. Every year is a different team. So the haters like P and M and C out there who consistently crap on the QB, and thus the Cowboys, do not know squat. They HOPE that the Cowboys fail so they can blame the QB. But it’s only hope on their part. And that my friends, is sad.

FIVE long years of seeing Brown do nothing, tell me with 100% certainty that he not the answer.

Diehardblues · Aug 3, 2022

Rockport said:
I don’t care what you do. It’s your choice to be miserable. Go forth and be a Karen.

What’s your frikin problem ? Who’s miserable ?

If you think you are someone special for bashing about the critics. You go for it. Grab you some Pom Poms and get a skirt. We need cheerleaders too. Lol

darthseinfeld · Aug 3, 2022

Rockport said:
There’s so much negativity posted here about the WR position and the OL position. It’s like CZ posters actually know what’s going on in practice, in the locker room , in the classroom. This place is flooded with posters who think they know more than the Cowboys scouts, coaches.

Who’s to say that Tolbert or Fehoko, Brown, Vasher or Turbin isn’t the answer?

Who’s to say Biadiaz, Farniok, McGovern, Tyler Smith, Josh Ball, Alarcon aren’t the answer?

The truth is that no one can say 100% on any of this. Every year is a different team. So the haters like P and M and C out there who consistently crap on the QB, and thus the Cowboys, do not know squat. They HOPE that the Cowboys fail so they can blame the QB. But it’s only hope on their part. And that my friends, is sad.

Do actually know anything about any of the names you have mentioned? Or are they just guys you believe in because they are Cowboys

Rockport · Aug 3, 2022

Diehardblues said:
What’s your frikin problem ? Who’s miserable ?

If you think you are someone special for bashing about the critics. You go for it. Grab you some Pom Poms and get a skirt. We need cheerleaders too. Lol

Just ignore me. One less thing for you to be miserable about.

kevm3 · Aug 3, 2022

This is how Jerry Jones and crew can keep a perennially losing franchise so profitable.

We have to suspend reality and act like low draft picks are going to replace a number 1 wr we traded away for a 5th rounder.

Other teams who have actually been in superbowls and winning them have been active in free agency and bringing in talented guys to get better. Meanwhile we are trading away some of our best talent or letting them walk and trying to replace them with guys who fell off of other teams or low round draft picks. This penny pinching formula is likely to see us with a first or second round playoff exit again

SteveTheCowboy · Aug 3, 2022

Mannix said:
FIVE long years of seeing Brown do nothing, tell me with 100% certainty that he not the answer.

You think they gave him a serious fair shot? I mean like Hurns fair?
You may have seen nothing. Doesnt mean there is nothing. But for the sake of fandom and fellowship....lets say there is something. NOW is the time....his best shot, right?. Lets try to cheer him on. His success is ours too.

Brax · Aug 3, 2022

Diehardblues said:
What’s your frikin problem ? Who’s miserable ?

If you think you are someone special for bashing about the critics. You go for it. Grab you some Pom Poms and get a skirt. We need cheerleaders too. Lol

He’s so miserable it must suck to be him so he takes it out on folks behind the safety of his keyboard . Maybe he’s off his meds so we need to cut him some slack, maybe they will net him again.

noshame · Aug 3, 2022

Rockport said:
Then go root for another team if you’re going to be a Karen and give up.

You could have made it easier on yourself and simply said I got nothin :thumbup:

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