Twitter: Dak rank 32nd (worst) first down passing percentage on 3rd down

Hennessy_King · Oct 31, 2018

Kevinicus said:
Does this OneCoolCustomer guy understand the difference between first, second, and third down?

QCE already said he wanted the post deleted cuz the one cool customer guy is an idiot.

jazzcat22 · Oct 31, 2018

atlantacowboy said:
Which is why i'm referring back to my original quote about one stat not mattering as much as the whole picture. Clearly, Dak is not in league with those guys. But nice to see you finally bothered looking something up.

As I said, I do not post crap just to post it.
that was a real article about the wins and loss of 200 vs. 300 yard game.
I think it was a link in a tweet. But as I said, I do not do twitter.

So stop you insults about looking stuff up. I haven't seen you post any links to back up your crap.

jazzcat22 · Oct 31, 2018

atlantacowboy said:
Comparisons are made but not on sheer passing yards unless 2 QB;s played in the same era. Winning is the only measure that cuts across eras. Otherwise, we would have clueless folks like you making claims like Romo is better than Roger Staubach. Or Dak is on par with Brady so far. ...... Dak doesn't measure up to the great Qbs of this or any other era.

You are the only one that is clueless. You can't prove anything, you have been proven wrong. So you start throwing out insults. I am about done with your useless diarrhea of the keyboard.

Hawkeye0202 · Oct 31, 2018

Kevinicus said:
Does this OneCoolCustomer guy understand the difference between first, second, and third down?

Brees' numbers are off (only one I've checked so far).

48 pass attempts, 7 sacks, 5 rushes. And 24 first downs. That's 40%. Actually, I forgot to add the TDs, so that's a total of 27 FD/TD or 45%.

Think he's a bit confused......lol

Kevinicus · Oct 31, 2018

Hawkeye0202 said:
Think he's a bit confused......lol

Yeah. Seems whoever provided the other stats to ESPN (PFF?) is confused too.

Hawkeye0202 · Oct 31, 2018

Denim Chicken said:
Sacks & negative plays in general as well.

How I missed these two? lol
tys

Irvin88_4life · Oct 31, 2018

CashMan said:
This is exactly why Dak is not the problem!

Dak has his moments where he has made mistakes but the real question is why we aren't running the ball on 3rd down. Because of penalties and being in 3rd and long.

Example, against Washington Connor has a holding call which had us 3rd and 15. Without that hold we had the first down. Now we have to throw the ball.

SoupcanSam · Oct 31, 2018

Number1 said:
Brees is bottom 5 ... I'd like to see exactly what's being measured

I'd like to see what their 2nd down success rate is. I dont think the saints are in too many 3rd down situations the way their offense moves but when they are, they aren't converting them as much.

But if you are moving just fine on 1st and 2nd while putting points on the board then who needs 3rd!

speedkilz88 · Oct 31, 2018

CashMan · Oct 31, 2018

Irvin88_4life said:
Dak has his moments where he has made mistakes but the real question is why we aren't running the ball on 3rd down. Because of penalties and being in 3rd and long.

Example, against Washington Connor has a holding call which had us 3rd and 15. Without that hold we had the first down. Now we have to throw the ball.

Dak is not an NFL QB, and people are going to use anything to say otherwise. To be an NFL QB, you gotta be accurate and throw yards in the current NFL.

Creeper · Oct 31, 2018

I'd like to see average yardage by down as well as penalties per down. It seems like most 1st down runs this year have gone for less than 3 yards. The holes just haven't been there. The Cowboys need a way to get 6 or 7 yards on first down so they can run or pass on second and third.

Staubacher · Oct 31, 2018

Only since Dak is the QB position not the most important one on the field.

Now it's everyone but the QBs fault.

News flash: IT'S THE QB

aikemirv · Oct 31, 2018

Number1 said:
Brees is bottom 5 ... I'd like to see exactly what's being measured

It says right there at the top of the page!

Aviano90 · Oct 31, 2018

Creeper said:
I'd like to see average yardage by down as well as penalties per down. It seems like most 1st down runs this year have gone for less than 3 yards. The holes just haven't been there. The Cowboys need a way to get 6 or 7 yards on first down so they can run or pass on second and third.

Here is a link to all of Zeke's rushes this year:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElliEz00/rushing-plays/2018/

He's had 82 rushes on 1st down. 45 of them have been for 3 yards or less (54.8%). As a comparison, in 2016 he had 204 first down rushes and was held to 3 yards or fewer on 98 of them. (48%).

Here is a list of all our penalties:

http://www.nflpenalties.com/team/dallas-cowboys?year=2018&view=log

CowboyStar88 · Oct 31, 2018

Doomsday101 said:
However when you look at home stats vs road stats his 3rd down conversion are 35.4 QB rating of 107. 63% completion rate and 7.6 yards per pass. TD to ints 5-0 at home 3-4 on road. His road numbers have been poor. Cowboys and Dak need to find a way to correct this.

But this what separates the Elite QB’s from the average. Being able to convert 3rd downs on the road.

JD_KaPow · Oct 31, 2018

Irvin88_4life said:
Dak has his moments where he has made mistakes but the real question is why we aren't running the ball on 3rd down. Because of penalties and being in 3rd and long.

Example, against Washington Connor has a holding call which had us 3rd and 15. Without that hold we had the first down. Now we have to throw the ball.

We run the ball more than all but 5 teams on 3rd down. All of those other teams are in the top 8 for fewest yards to go (<=6.45). We're 23rd, at 7.38.

Doomsday101 · Oct 31, 2018

CowboyStar88 said:
But this what separates the Elite QB’s from the average. Being able to convert 3rd downs on the road.

I have not claimed he was elite. I find it interesting that the numbers were opposite last season where he produced better on the road than at home.

hairic · Oct 31, 2018

I took a few minutes to do the Commanders game by hand. For what this stat is trying to claim (QB responsibility for first down via run or pass on 3rd downs), he was at 23.1% against the Commanders. Edit: I double copied wrong and missed a play.

3rd-16 - incomplete (0%)
3rd-5 - 4 yard gain (0%)
3rd-6 - 5 yard gain (0%)
3rd-3 - 3 yard gain (0%)
3rd-5 - 4 yard gain (20%)
3rd-19 - 8 yard sack (16.67%)
3rd-4 - incomplete (14.29%)
3rd-12 - incomplete (12.5%)
3rd-3 - 0 yard sack (11.1%)
3rd-14 - sack fumble d touchdown (10%)
3rd-20 - 7 yard gain (9%)
3rd-1 - 1 yard scramble TD (16.67%)
3rd-10 - 18 yard pass (23.1%)

JD_KaPow · Oct 31, 2018

It sure looks to me like the numbers in the original tweet are wrong (and not in the way that OneCoolCustomer tried to claim). According to PFR, Drew Brees has thrown 48 passes, been sacked 7 times and run 5 times on 3rd down, and picked up 24 first downs. That's 24/60 = 40%.

WarDaddy · Oct 31, 2018

Doomsday101 said:
However when you look at home stats vs road stats his 3rd down conversion are 35.4 QB rating of 107. 63% completion rate and 7.6 yards per pass. TD to ints 5-0 at home 3-4 on road. His road numbers have been poor. Cowboys and Dak need to find a way to correct this.

I’m no expert but to my eye the play calling looks to be more conservative on the road. This an a lack of execution by Dak and everyone else at key moments has contributed to the lack of success from play to play.

End result = 0-4 record on the road

Twitter: Dak rank 32nd (worst) first down passing percentage on 3rd down

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