Disturbing stat line for our WRs

Boyz981 · Feb 24, 2019

beware_d-ware said:
99% of those Zeke catches were checkdowns. I think his bomb against Detroit was the only catch he had further than 10 yards downfield, and Dak and Zeke had to call a freaking audible just to get that one.

It's awesome to see Zeke show off his hands after all the talk of how "he can't play in the passing game like Gurley / Bell / Barkley / etc", but he just didn't fill the same role in this offense that Coop or Gallup or even Hurns did.

It's a checkdown when the Cowboys do it...When the Patriots do it..its just part the their offense! I would like to think some of it is by design, not checkdowns.

Hadenough · Feb 24, 2019

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blumayne38 said:
Cole Beasley - 65 rec
Amari Cooper - 53 rec
Michael Gallup - 33 rec
Allen Hurns - 20 rec
Zeke Elliott - 77 rec

He's not only the best RB on the team, hes the best WR

How do people think with this WR group we could easily let zeke hold out. We definitely would be losing a huge chunk of our offense.

Last year I was saying throw the ball to Zeke more. I didnt mean to check the ball down to him more. Give him less carries in the run game and let him run 10 yards down the field and throw to him like the Eagles used to do with LeSean McCoy! Dak is killing this team by being Mr check down charlie. At the rate things are going Zeke will be worn out in 3 years and out of the league while were watching check down Dak getting paid 28 mil a year and still unable to get to the NFC championship game.

Hadenough · Feb 24, 2019

Boyz981 said:
It's a checkdown when the Cowboys do it...When the Patriots do it..its just part the their offense!

BIG difference! The Patriots have proven they can beat you deep on a consistent basis and when the defense plays deeper coverage with more CBs the Pats just take what the defense is giving them. Dallas does it because Dak doesnt trust his arm and has never shown he can beat teams deep on a consistent basis.

percyhoward · Feb 24, 2019

buybuydandavis said:
Me likey.
Where'd you get all that?

https://www.pro-football-reference....cation[]=DM&pass_location[]=DR&order_by=yards

mattjames2010 · Feb 24, 2019

millennial_legend said:
The Falcons had great WRs and essentially won it all in 2016

Essentially won it all? No, they failed because of their defense and their offense couldn't put up points in the second half despite having the "amazing" Julio Jones.

mattjames2010 · Feb 24, 2019

blumayne38 said:
I never said guarantee, but having elite plays helps at every level and a very sport. Zeke is one of those plays that are "gritty" " hard nosed" built for the game type players. Loves contact And 3 years in seems healthy And fine. And yes I love me some zeke highlights hes a monster. I hope despite everything things line up and our cowboys win a Superbowl. I feel like maybe only new england has proved they have a successful blueprint and it takes a elite and super elite QB to fullfil it. Imo.

That's not a good thing.

Diehardblues · Feb 24, 2019

blumayne38 said:
Cole Beasley - 65 rec
Amari Cooper - 53 rec
Michael Gallup - 33 rec
Allen Hurns - 20 rec
Zeke Elliott - 77 rec

He's not only the best RB on the team, hes the best WR

How do people think with this WR group we could easily let zeke hold out. We definitely would be losing a huge chunk of our offense.

We’re a .500 team or worse without Elliott. Our offense is already 22nd in the league with the leading rusher in the league.

Not many teams or offenses collapse when they’re starting QB is in there but ours needs elite talent at the key positions and OL.

percyhoward · Feb 24, 2019

Hadenough said:
BIG difference! The Patriots have proven they can beat you deep on a consistent basis and when the defense plays deeper coverage with more CBs the Pats just take what the defense is giving them. Dallas does it because Dak doesnt trust his arm and has never shown he can beat teams deep on a consistent basis.

Prescott had more targets in the 0-9 yard range in 2018 for reasons explained here and supported here. On deep throws, he's consistently had one of the league's highest passer ratings each of the last three seasons.

Target 20+ yards
2018: 22 of 60 861 yd 8 td 1 int 117.4 (3rd)
2017: 16 of 43 534 yd 4 td 1 int 106.2 (5th)
2016: 19 of 50 611 yd 7 td 1 int 115.9 (6th)

He hasn't been nearly as good in the intermediate (10-19 yard) range the last two years.
2018: 65 of 109 1003 yd 7 td 6 int 88.6
2017: 60 of 115 907 yd 10 td 5 int 89.3
2016: 78 of 122 1292 yd 8 td 2 int 114.5

Receiving depth was obviously a big part of 2018's intermediate numbers.
Beasley/Cooper: 29 of 39 459 yd 2 td 1 int 119.4
others: 36 of 70 544 yd 544 yd 5 td 5 int 71.4

OL depth played a major role in 2017. The 2nd sample only includes attempts when Smith or Martin missed most or all of the game
2017 (w/ OL): 44 of 85 648 yd 9 td 2 int 102.4
2017 (w/o OL): 16 of 30 259 yd 1 td 3 int 54.0

blumayne38 · Feb 24, 2019

Sevenup3000 said:
So....right around 100 rec?

Yup 95

blumayne38 · Feb 24, 2019

percyhoward said:
Most of what you see below is the result of losing our top 3 receiving targets and All-Pro center (among other OL issues). Same QB, same RB all three years.

sacked rate
2018 28th
2017 14th
2016 14th

red zone TD%
2018 26th
2017 7th
2016 5th

Elliott's success rate inside 10-yd line
2018 33% (7 of 21)
2017 65% (13 of 20)
2016 67% (16 of 24)

Elliott's share of team targets
(only includes games he played)
2018 19%
2017 10%
2016 7%

Prescott's avg intended air yards
(depth of target)
2018 7.6
2017 8.4
2016 8.7

There are other reasons, like holding onto the ball. Defenses having a good idea where the QB wants to go with the football. Because of film. The line seemed to block very well at times in the redzone to example the Seattle wild card TD where dak ran it from the 20 yrs line was a designed run.

blumayne38 · Feb 24, 2019

Boyz981 said:
It's a checkdown when the Cowboys do it...When the Patriots do it..its just part the their offense! I would like to think some of it is by design, not checkdowns.

This is it. Why don't people realize this more.

lukin2006 · Feb 24, 2019

He is not a better WR than Cooper. But I get what you are saying. I think both Cooper and Gallup get 75 catches+ next season and that will lower Zeke's numbers a bit.

percyhoward · Feb 24, 2019

blumayne38 said:
There are other reasons, like holding onto the ball. Defenses having a good idea where the QB wants to go with the football. Because of film.

I don't think so. If it were about opposing DC's catching up to the offense, there wouldn't be a 50-point disparity on these 10-19 targets. I think it's more about route-running and hands.

Beasley/Cooper: 29 of 39 459 yd 2 td 1 int 119.4
others: 36 of 70 544 yd 544 yd 5 td 5 int 71.4

CowboysFaninHouston · Feb 24, 2019

blumayne38 said:
Cole Beasley - 65 rec
Amari Cooper - 53 rec
Michael Gallup - 33 rec
Allen Hurns - 20 rec
Zeke Elliott - 77 rec

He's not only the best RB on the team, hes the best WR

How do people think with this WR group we could easily let zeke hold out. We definitely would be losing a huge chunk of our offense.

well, cooper would have been in 80s if he played the first 8 games with us, so the stats are a little misleading. also Zeke is a decent WR out of the back field and we incorporated the screen pass this year a lot compared to previous years. plus Dak is a safe QB, so his outlet is always Zeke out of the back field.

blumayne38 · Feb 24, 2019

percyhoward said:
I don't think so. If it were about opposing DC's catching up to the offense, there wouldn't be a 50-point disparity on these 10-19 targets. I think it's more about route-running and hands.

Beasley/Cooper: 29 of 39 459 yd 2 td 1 int 119.4
others: 36 of 70 544 yd 544 yd 5 td 5 int 71.4

I dont i disagree, WRs were gerring open in the first 7 games of the season. And it was pointed out a bunch, thats why our WRs almost turned on the QB. With quotes I dont care to look up. Most of the Amri catches for TDs were all him, the best pass i saw dak throw was against the Commanders to Cooper. Others were almost always busted coverage, for example the 3TD performance by jarwin all just no one picking up the TE. The cooper TD in the Rams game was almost given to us, the CB played so far off amari just ran the quick slant and ran to the endzone. And after than zilch until the second half. There is a problem, that goes deeper then "route running" and "hands" these guys are pros for a reason if you put it where they can get it consistently they will catch it. My point in this thread is to point out that zeke does alot more for this offense then rjn the football. Him just lining up in the backfield poses a huge threat to the defense. We shohld be able to run a very successful offense based on just that. But we cant and dont driving the football from our side of the field no matter where is a huge problem. Drives always stall and we end up punting. In the successful offensive season one with tony ans one with dak TOP and 3rd down conversion % were a hige part of why this offense was dominant. We have a very good oline still and one that should be enough to work with. When travis went down it was over in a alot of peoples eyes and Looney did a very good job filling in, he wasnt the best but he wasnt trent green bad. It was other issues that held thia offense back.

Beaker42 · Feb 24, 2019

beware_d-ware said:
99% of those Zeke catches were checkdowns. I think his bomb against Detroit was the only catch he had further than 10 yards downfield, and Dak and Zeke had to call a freaking audible just to get that one.

It's awesome to see Zeke show off his hands after all the talk of how "he can't play in the passing game like Gurley / Bell / Barkley / etc", but he just didn't fill the same role in this offense that Coop or Gallup or even Hurns did.

Our play calling dictated a lot of this as well.

FuzzyLumpkins · Feb 24, 2019

blumayne38 said:
That's speculation

The point is you are comparing 9 games production and 16 then pretending that it's a valid straight up comparison.

Pants · Feb 24, 2019

what will moore bring to the table, that's all I want to know

Whyjerry · Feb 24, 2019

blumayne38 said:
Cole Beasley - 65 rec
Amari Cooper - 53 rec
Michael Gallup - 33 rec
Allen Hurns - 20 rec
Zeke Elliott - 77 rec

He's not only the best RB on the team, hes the best WR

How do people think with this WR group we could easily let zeke hold out. We definitely would be losing a huge chunk of our offense.

Wasn’t Lal supposed to revolutionize the position?

Irvin88_4life · Feb 24, 2019

PAPPYDOG said:
Agreed!!!!!... without Zeke our offense would be 0....as proven when he was out suspended for 6 games.....15 str8 offensive Q without 1 TD....

Just a question, how was this offense week 17 against the Giants with no Zeke and missing most of the OL.......oh thats right it doesn't fit your agenda so you leave it out

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