My thoughts on the thoughts on Dak

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InTheZone said:
1. Maybe the QB limitations limit what we can utilize in the offense.

2. If Romo was an int machine then Aikman, Eli, and Favre are the worst qbs to ever play

3. Dak has as many fumbles/picks as TDs despite a better more experience cast...and now he's also killing the sack count by leading the league

4. I don't care what other current qbs are doing
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Since 11 a.m. this morning, nobody has liked your comment. lol
 
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LatinMind said:
This isnt going to be long but it will be direct and to the point.

I read thread after thread, and post after post about Dak not throwing for 300 yrds. Along with that all the other cliche criticisms posters here want to spew. ANd i wonder if any of you actually have paid attention and know this information or just hate to hate.

In 2014 Scott Linehan was hired

Look at Romo's stats and you will see that they are very similar to what Dak has done with the offense since he's been in the NFL. The only numbers that are really in Romo's favors are TD passes.
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I hear what you're saying - but much of what bugs me about Dak thread's is that they seem to ignore what's going on around Dak and act as if this hatever can be cherry picked good bad or indifferent are common place with him.

For example, detractors act as if 5 new starters and 12 new faces on the game day O roster (that's 505 turnver last off season. And an OL that can't get Zeke Elliott 50y rushing in a playoff game should be irrelevant to his play.and the win/loss record. Or supporters will note poor OL play and pretend Dak hasn't wandered into many sacks.

Let's get real, the whole team's TD% has risen and fallen with the health of the OL, and Dak has learned to play with it and win.

Keep this in mind the Boys finished the regular season by going 7-1. with Dak throwing the 6 more thimes per game than the first 2.5 years of his career

278 YPG, on 36 APG, 7.7 YPA, 71.6 COMP% 103.4 rating, 12 TDs, 3 INTs, 4 RTDs ,on 28 sacks

By any measure those are franchise QB worthy #s. Amazing under the circumstances. But there's a major hole in those numbers - a miserable 3.8 TD%, the 7.7 YPA is almost as bad, in this system. it's hard to imagine much better in either w/o the a better (healthier) OL.

Scott's just plain irks me - slow mud personality. Kellen ain't much better ... as far as production - this is JGs system and Dak's to execute - and I really don't think it matters who the OC or QBC is.

If the 2nd half of the season is their "Dak friendly" vision .... it's shown awesome potential. But Dak and Zeke are not unbreakable. Zeke'.s RTDs dropped from 45 in 2016 to 6 in 2018, Dak's TD% from 5.0 to 4.2 and sacks jumped from 22 to 56.

we can talk all about coaches ... this game is about blocking and tackling ... and coach/scheme don't matter much if your LG is getting shoved into the backfield and your DTs shoved into the LBs. There's no way to scheme around that at the NFL level.

This team lost in the playoffs because our interior OL and DL were manhandle. Better play calling and formations would have helped, but not much. Either you can block Donald or not is a better question than who the OC is?
 
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LatinMind said:
ok i didnt count bradys 2.0ypa first yr.

so he went under 7ypa in his first 3 yrs starting. How many yrs had dak been starting?

Aaron rodgers has a 7.8 ypa for his career. in the 3 yrs Dak has been in the league Rodgers has a 7.2 avg. Dak 7.4
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CowboysFaninHouston said:
then why mention and compare YPAs? Dak has had Zeke and hasn't had to pass much. with little we saw from him without Zeke, offense and pass offense struggled and he couldn't show that he was an elite passer. can he? we don't know. he may never be an elite passer. we may not need him to be. who cares. why do Dak lovers are hell bent on proving Dak is elite. with stat, after stat, after stat...most of which are meaningless.
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Maybe you should reread the first post and understand this thread wasnt meant to be about dak but more linehan. But you posters refuse to get the dak line out of your heads. so i had to post facts about the numbers and stats they were trying to push as facts.
 
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LatinMind said:
Maybe you should reread the first post and understand this thread wasnt meant to be about dak but more linehan. But you posters refuse to get the dak line out of your heads. so i had to post facts about the numbers and stats they were trying to push as facts.
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Still waiting on citations for some of the stats you've posted in this thread.
 
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Fuzzee said:
Like the post and all the responses, but its seems your post are bias towards DAK and thats not an issue. But comparing DAK to a 2 of the best QBs to ever play the game is a little ambitious. I like DAK and what he brings to the game, but the big question is... has his play peaked, is this the best he will get. It will take another year to find out if the new OC and another of with Amari Cooper payoff. IMO, the game is all about Zeke not DAK. Defense understand they have to stop Zeke and force DAK to beat them. Until that roles switches it will be hard to believe DAK is the future.

Again, I like DAK, but Zeke accounted for 2000yds in 2018, of the Cowboys total offense (5500 yrds). Without Zeke, the Offense and DAK struggle
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Here we go again. Reread my posts and if it still doesnt sink in reread again. I dont compare him to anybody. In the opening post i was comparing similarities based on the OC and how he ran his ship. It just so happened that romo, and dak displayed the same kind of success and the same struggles because of the limitations of the system.

IN reguards to brady and rodgers i was trying to show the ignorance of people who seem to think this whol YPA is the end all of what is considered a great qb. daks YPA just happens to be right on par with Brady's career avg. And Rodgers is below daks mark since daks been in the league. Im not saying dak is as good as them or better. Im just saying that before they say Dak nmbers are so beneith them atleast look at the numbers. Instead you could say Dak doesnt have their success. But dont say he never will because we dont know. Nobody thought Brady would be as good as he was even when they won the superbowl because they didnt win it because of him. He developed and turned into what he is now over the course of almost 20 yrs.


dak if im not mistake is responsible for 564yrds of elliots 2000 yrds too.

so dak was responsible for 3885 yrds

without the ol elliot struggles right?

Its a team sport and all part are connected, so to say something like without this, this struggles and ect is ridiculous
 
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JBell said:
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Romo was never a 350 yard a game passer. 350 x 16 = 5,600 yards in a season.

Is it too much to ask to fact check before hitting post?
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I don't even bother to check facts so I don't bring them up.
But that's just me...
 
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LatinMind said:
...Because up to that point in his career the guy was a int machine..
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That is just flat out wrong. I'm surprised you bought into it and it just goes to show how brutal false narratives are and how they can linger, even from smart fans like yourself.

Romo has a better INT % in his career than Aikman, Staubach, Marino, Elway, Favre, etc, which accounts for more throws in this era of football as compared to earlier eras, so percentage wise, he wasn't any more prone (or less) than any other QB's. In fact he's in the top third all time. Romo's curse was that he was on national television more than any other QB during his careerSand that includes Brady, so you got all the good with the bad for all to see. Roethlisberger has more game ending picks than any QB currently playing but he, like Eli gets passes because of Super Bowls.

Now that you know I would hope this becomes your truth and not your perception.
 

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InTheZone said:
1. Maybe the QB limitations limit what we can utilize in the offense.

2. If Romo was an int machine then Aikman, Eli, and Favre are the worst qbs to ever play

3. Dak has as many fumbles/picks as TDs despite a better more experience cast...and now he's also killing the sack count by leading the league

4. I don't care what other current qbs are doing
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I love how you say..."If Romo was an int machine then X, Z, Y" AND then say..."I don't care what other current QBs are doing..."

And that says nothing about the other complete BS you just pulled out...
 

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mattjames2010 said:
Let's take a look at when those years happened, shall we? 4 of those happened in his first 6 years starting - different era, tougher defenses, Brady has already spoke about this. The other was 2013, again, not a great year for Brady - he had an 87.3 rating and there were talks about his "demise" that year that led into 2014 where he went on a rampage and won a Super bowl. Remember that? Of course you don't. "LOL"

Also, I see now you're leaving out Rodgers. Don't worry, I'm here for you. Let's take a little look, shall we? Rodgers had 7 seasons starting and every year was 7.0 ypa and 5 of those were 8 and above and 1 was 9 and above. He also had an MVP season in those years, but "LOL" why does that matter, right? Just matters during HOF induction. I'm sure Dak will get that for having a season where he averaged Brady's total career ypa "LOL"
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Jesus. Just stop. You are embarrassing the "Romo for President" club more than normal.
 
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Sevenup3000 said:
Jesus. Just stop. You are embarrassing the "Romo for President" club more than normal.
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This has nothing to do with Romo....

Also, the dope who started this thread is the only one who brought up Romo, and also has pulled stats out of his butt and has put people on ignore asking for citations.
 
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Corso said:
Then who cares?
I don't have a link, but it very well could have been McClay saying he likes to take a week's vacay on the 1st week of FA.
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Yep who cares! Link or not the FACT of the matter is the offense hasnt opened up and the funny thing is people think Moore is gonna be some kind of savior and draw up all these great plays and work on all the little details to make this offense better. Im not buying into that until I see it because Dak is limited.
 
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