103.3 just trashing Jerry

[Chocolate Lab]

Why's this an issue? Wouldn't the next HC, if he had any brains at all, more than likely try and obtain Garrett for his staff? If they were to know the situation before hand they'd probably say hell ya, thanks for saving me alot of work. Right? I mean, it seems everyone rants and raves over Garrett so Jerry can just say " Hey, I went ahead and got Garrett for ya."

This is kind of the way I see it, too.

Say we wait our two weeks from now and interview Rivera and everyone else we might want. Is the defensive coordinator we choose to elevate to HC really going to be able to hire a better OC than Garrett? Especially if Sparano, who did a fine job last year, is still here? Could the new head coach really find better offensive coaches than Garrett + Sparano at such a late juncture? I doubt it. I mean, it's not like the new HC would automatically be able to bring the entire offensive side of the ball along with him. Most likely he'd be piecemealing a group together at the last second from all over the league.

Instead, Jerry had a limited window to hire a very bright and very likeable young guy. If he didn't have that deadline, I suspect he'd rather hire the HC first and then recommend Garrett for OC. And if Jason is as highly regarded around the league as we've read, I'm sure the HC would love to have him. But the new restrictions on coaches not being considered for HC kept that from happening.

In fact, I imagine if we ended up hiring Rivera, one of his prime candidates for OC would be one Wade Wilson. Can you imagine the howling then? Who would any HC rather have as OC, Garrett or Wilson?

People act like there is only one right solution in all this, and I don't think that's true at all. I bet most defensive-oriented HCs would tell you to get him the most talented coaches he can get on offense, and as long as the guy isn't an a-hole, he'd be happy. Not everyone insists on only having guys he "knows" like Parcells.

But I have to admit... I'm getting a kick out of bbgun. You're in rare form, man. :laugh2:

 

[zrinkill]

But I have to admit... I'm getting a kick out of bbgun. You're in rare form, man. :laugh2:

You should try out that show called Jacka** ..... its kinda the same thing .... dumb guys saying dumb stuff.

 

[iceberg]

Well, he vastly upgraded the talent base of that team in a very short period of time. In Dallas, he had the first pick waiting for him (Aikman) and then the benefits of the Walker trade. No such luck in Miami. And who was the 2006 NFL Defensive Player of the Year? None other than Jason Taylor. Gee, I wonder who drafted him ...

he vastly upgraded the talent on the miami team?

is this the team that THE VERY YEAR BEFORE he predicted to go all the way and it didn't so shula got fired and jimmy came in 1 year later? how much upgrading would a team need that jimmy himself says should have won it all?

you talk just to hate - you never think about what you're saying. at this point i'm not sure which is worse, an idiot or talking to one.

i'll stop talking - see what you can do about the rest.

 

[silverbear]

You have zero evidence that that's the case,

The point is, you have zero evidence it's NOT the case... doesn't keep you from foaming at the mouth about it as if you do, though...

Only dysfunctional organizations do business this way,

The Steelers do, do you consider them "dysfunctional"??

 

[iceberg]

Seems like all of these other examples are teams choosing to retain a current assistant.

How many examples are there of a team hiring an assistant from another team before they hired their HC?

you mean like last week when dom capers got hired for miami before cam?

i'm sure this point will be dismissed vs. accepted now. you've yet to show that when your question is answered you'll change your mind.

you just seem to change your questions so you can keep your hate-on.

 

[iceberg]

Out of sheer curiosity, do we have any examples where its actually worked?

even if you did - the parameters would change to still keep the hate the people have going. that seems to be pretty important to some.

 

[silverbear]

Instead of personalizing the debate or attacking my motives, try responding to the content of the post, kay?

I understand, you're not happy about having a lousy rep on this board...

Your motives are that you're a mindless Jerry hater, and of course it's legitimate to point that out when you go off on one of your Jerry rants...

 

[silverbear]

That is just total bullcrap. it doesnt happen that way all the time in the NFL and NO its just not some "Jerry" thing. get a grip. Hell I've heard two NFL coaches just this week mention coaches dont always hire an entire staff when going into a new team

bb has never let facts get in the way of a rant...

 

[iceberg]

Moore was an established OC with an established offense in place and pretty damn good personnell.

Garrett doesnt have his offense in place.

Please show me where a new head coach came in after a coordinator was hired who was DIFFERENT from the previous one.

Had the Colts replaced Moore with say Norv Turner after they fired Mora and then Dungy came in it would be a similar situation.

But its not.

please show me the blueprints for a successful NFL franchise and then the certificate of authenticity that this is the only way to succeed and deviations from this plan are 100% doomed to failure.

doesn't exist, does it?

we don't know all of jones' plan yet, but we sure know that those who hate jones will dog on every move. logic be damned.

 

[silverbear]

Huh? Jimmy gets all of the credit.

An argument which proves beyond all reasonable doubt that you're clueless...

If Jimmy was so brilliant, how come he couldn't replicate his success with the Dolphins??

Why do I bother, you won't even THINK about answering that perfectly legitimate, logical question... of course, your inability to offer a legitimate, logical response will be all the evidence any thinking man needs that your little theory about Jimmuh and Jerruh is of the same nature as the stuff that comes out of the back end of a bull...

 

[silverbear]

Listening to these Rednecks talk about the way we NY'ers talk is hysterical - some clown just asked what does "cusp" mean - are you serious?
I love this country but Country music, NASCAR, Red Neck Jokes, and Southern accents take it down a few notches.

As do Noo Yawkers... if the good Lord in his infinite wisdom ever decided the world needed an enema, there's little doubt that Noo Yawk City's where he'd stick the nozzle...

 

[iceberg]

As do Noo Yawkers... if the good Lord in his infinite wisdom ever decided the world needed an enema, there's little doubt that Noo Yawk City's where he'd stick the nozzle...

bored tonight, bear??? : )

good to see you taking care of things!

 

[bbgun]

I understand, you're not happy about having a lousy rep on this board...

Your motives are that you're a mindless Jerry hater, and of course it's legitimate to point that out when you go off on one of your Jerry rants...

And what's your rep? Aging character assassin? Your knee-jerk Jerry idolatry worries me, and would make for an interesting psychological case study. In the meantime, I'll continue to prick the balloon that is your ego.

 

[silverbear]

Well, he vastly upgraded the talent base of that team in a very short period of time.

ROTFLMAO... mercy, you really are firmly attached to Jimmuh's scrotum, aren't you??

FACT-- the Dolphins went 39-25 in the 4 years before Jimmuh took over...

FACT-- the Fins went 36-28 in the 4 years Jimmuh was there...

FACT-- the Fins went 41-23 in the 4 years after Jimmuh left...

So, the Fins put up a better record in the 4 years before him, and the 4 years after him... but he was a GREAT coach for them...

Beyond that, you'll have to excuse me if I find your "he upgraded the talent base vastly" argument to be pure unadulterated bovine fecal matter, when Parcells did exactly that for the Boys, but you seemed to want him gone...

So, how come upgrading the talent base is an indication of a good coaching job when it's Saint Jimmuh doing it, but not when it's the Tuna doing it??

And if Jimmuh did such a good job upgrading the talent base, how come he couldn't WIN more than his predecessor did with that "lesser talent"??

 

[silverbear]

Yeah, 'cause you have all the answers.

How sad for you that you don't seem to have any of them...

 

[silverbear]

Out of sheer curiosity, do we have any examples where its actually worked?

Well, it seems to be a relatively new phenomenon... part of the evolution of the game, so to speak...

You ask a legitimate question, sorry I can't give you more of an answer... but I can't think of a single reason why it CAN'T work-- can you??

 

[Royal Laegotti]

ROTFLMAO... mercy, you really are firmly attached to Jimmuh's scrotum, aren't you??

FACT-- the Dolphins went 39-25 in the 4 years before Jimmuh took over...

FACT-- the Fins went 36-28 in the 4 years Jimmuh was there...

FACT-- the Fins went 41-23 in the 4 years after Jimmuh left...

So, the Fins put up a better record in the 4 years before him, and the 4 years after him... but he was a GREAT coach for them...

Beyond that, you'll have to excuse me if I find your "he upgraded the talent base vastly" argument to be pure unadulterated bovine fecal matter, when Parcells did exactly that for the Boys, but you seemed to want him gone...

So, how come upgrading the talent base is an indication of a good coaching job when it's Saint Jimmuh doing it, but not when it's the Tuna doing it??

And if Jimmuh did such a good job upgrading the talent base, how come he couldn't WIN more than his predecessor did with that "lesser talent"??

Dude what is your beef with the Jimster, did he steal your girlfriend or something, he did something that no other Cowboy coach did, win back to back superbowls, all you do is belittle him, who cares what he did or did'nt do with the Dolphins they don't matter to Cowboys fans.

 

[silverbear]

One of these days, you're gonna make a valid point, and I'm gonna drop dead from shock...

Do pay attention, various sources around the NFL, people who should KNOW, say that these days it's just not all that unusual to hire a coordinator, even BOTH coordinators, before hiring your head coach...

Occaisionally a team will keep the same guy from the year before when the new head guy comes in like with Capers and LeBeau. It is VERY unusual for a different coordinator to be hired before the coach is hired.

Sorry, that's just semantic tapdancing-- keeping "the same guy from the year before when the new guy comes in" is STILL forcing the new guy to keep a coordinator who might not have been of his own choosing...

Just like "forcing" a potential head coach for the Boys to live with Jason Garrett...

Now, I CAN see some potential problems with this whole "head coach in waiting" notion, the chief one being that the next head coach might well view Jason as a threat to his job security, leading to a less than ideal working relationship between the two... but it's also quite possible that any new head coach would welcome having a bright young, up and coming coach on board...

 

[zrinkill]

SilverBear is on the attack.........

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D*MN ..................................

 

[Hoofbite]

Didn't Jeff Fisher just do an interview today where he said that a lot of teams are hiring staff members before the coach?


Personally, I think Jerry already has everything in place. He has either talked to the next HC coach and gotten the endorsement from them to hire Garrett or he will simply promote Garrett if the guy he wants doesn't think he can work the JG as a OC.

The fact that Jerry reportedly made this move with the help of Parcells sure makes me a lot more comfortable with it.

Definently not the worst move Jerry has made.......actually towards the top of his list......even though that doesn't say a whole lot.