2 Questions For the Zoners Who Want to Let Moore Go

[Adreme]

The Cowboys offense reminds me a lot of the Bills defense. The Bills defense was number last year and number 2 this year and both times they were bumped from the playoffs because the defense looked horrible. A top defense should be able to perform when it counts. Similarly the Cowboys have a highly ranked offense but somehow have been bumped from the playoffs in back to back years because they cannot score points. In both situations I think that there is a clear problem that needs to be addressed.

 

[NotForLong]

You wrote down the issue w Moore yourself. He can’t get the most out of Dak. Period. Somebody else needs to try.

I think you missed the point . . . Kellen has gotten the best out of Dak . . . This is it

 

[CowboyRoy]

the offense has already been dumbed down as far as we can go, this has been reported by our opponents. what's next? serious question

Who had the better weapons Purdy or Dak? Better RB, better coaching, better defense, home field? Can you say Dak for any of those?

 

[CowboyFrog]

the offense has already been dumbed down as far as we can go, this has been reported by our opponents. what's next? serious question

So when you look at the comments of the opposing defense they generally say "They do what they do" Thats not "Dumbed down" thats line up and beat your man without scheme help. This also tells the story of why when you say "They beat up on lesser teams" its correct. When thier players are better than the players defending them they do well, if the scheme has to be the diference at all it fails at multiple levels. Also player execution is on the players but thats begs the question "What the hell did you practice all week" if the OC has no bearing on execution then why have the job at all.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Who had the better weapons Purdy or Dak? Better RB, better coaching, better defense, home field? Can you say Dak for any of those?

the offense has already been dumbed down as far as we can go, this has been reported by our opponents. what's the next option?

 

[CowboyRoy]

The Cowboys offense reminds me a lot of the Bills defense. The Bills defense was number last year and number 2 this year and both times they were bumped from the playoffs because the defense looked horrible. A top defense should be able to perform when it counts. Similarly the Cowboys have a highly ranked offense but somehow have been bumped from the playoffs in back to back years because they cannot score points. In both situations I think that there is a clear problem that needs to be addressed.

They played the #1 defense both years to get booted. Do you people even consider that or simply don’t understand?

 

[NotForLong]

Do you think the offense can be worse than the 2 playoff losses to SF? Hard to imagine it can be any worse than that

It would have been better if Dak was the QB you believe He is . . . but reality is what it is

Can't get Filet from chopped liver

 

[CowboyRoy]

So when you look at the comments of the opposing defense they generally say "They do what they do" Thats not "Dumbed down" thats line up and beat your man without scheme help. This also tells the story of why when you say "They beat up on lesser teams" its correct. When thier players are better than the players defending them they do well, if the scheme has to be the diference at all it fails at multiple levels. Also player execution is on the players but thats begs the question "What the hell did you practice all week" if the OC has no bearing on execution then why have the job at all.

What did the bucs defense say?

 

[Captain-Crash]

So when you look at the comments of the opposing defense they generally say "They do what they do" Thats not "Dumbed down" thats line up and beat your man without scheme help. This also tells the story of why when you say "They beat up on lesser teams" its correct. When thier players are better than the players defending them they do well, if the scheme has to be the diference at all it fails at multiple levels. Also player execution is on the players but thats begs the question "What the hell did you practice all week" if the OC has no bearing on execution then why have the job at all.

simplified offense has been reported by our opponents what more can be done to help dak if the team can't execute that? serious

 

[75boyz]

Your trying to force a "Dak or KM" desicion when in context there literally is not one to make, again you move on from Dak and the cap hits will force KM to play with players that make his offense not good for several years AND you probably gut this defense. So in hindsight you go rebuild and KM is gone anyway.... or you change your OC Keep this defense and see if that scheme change can help get this "DEFENSIVE" team over the hump..then blow it up if it doesnt work and your basically in the same place if you move on from Dak now.

While I see your angle from the defensive perspective, you gotta remember just how well that defense played for that one game against that opponent. And is that really the bar thats needed in order for a divisional round playoff win?
So, if its gotta be either a historic full 17 game defense to carry this QB BUT you just witnessed a one game performance by this existing dee that was pretty **** close, then I guess I fail to see how sticking with the same guy is the right choice.
Contract or no contract. Trade, draft do something, anything at this point.
We watched him receive an all star support performance from his dee already in the most important game that mattered.
He can not get the job done.
Regardless of GM, HC, playcaller or supporting cast.

Why not attempt change like you said while the defense, is still viable?

I see sticking with the same QB as giving up. Other teams have moved on from similar situational QB contracts.
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
A new play caller will expose this guy even worse.
Sticking with this QB is basically throwing away 2 years because as I mentioned there is no amount of support that can fix the actual problem. His real time decision making.

 

[sunalsorises]

Moore deserves criticism for not changing gears during the playoffs, though the game plan worked against Tampa who was, arguably, not a playoff team.

Playoff football is like playoff basketball. Whereas it is fun to score 125 points, grinding it out usually wins in the playoffs.

That being said, who is ultimately responsible for the offensive game plan in Dallas? Is it Moore? McCarthy? Jerry?

 

[CowboyFrog]

What did the bucs defense say?

Nothing they got smoked, but again was it the scheme or was it we had matchups that we had better players in? You dont believe Seattle has better players on offense than we do, but yet they did damage by making the SF defense get out of thier confort level.... we did none of that.

 

[NotForLong]

1. I don't really know. All I know is Dak is here because of his contract and Dak + Moore doesn't seem to work consistently.

2. Quite possible. But we know what we have now apparently isn't working. I am not afraid of change. And if anything, if the offense is worse, it exposes Dak and hopefully they don't extend him. My biggest fear is Dak is the issue and with Moore they do just enough to warrant Jerry and Stephen doubling down and handing over a bigger contract to Dak.

What if Dak is relegated to the Bench . . . Why should the Cowboys throw Kellen away just for Dak?

At this point Kellen is the weapon that should be coveted . . . Dak has one dot in the grave and is only hanging on because of the massive mistake Jerry did 2 years ago

That is just compounding the problem . . . Whoever our next QB is will need Kellen and So do the Cowboys Organization

 

[CowboyFrog]

While I see your angle from the defensive perspective, you gotta remember just how well that defense played for that one game against that opponent. And is that really the bar thats needed in order for a divisional round playoff win?
So, if its gotta be either a historic full 17 game defense to carry this QB BUT you just witnessed a one game performance by this existing dee that was pretty **** close, the I guess I fail to see how sticking with the same guy is the right choice.
Contract or no contract. Trade, draft do something anything at this point.
We watched him receive an all star support performance from his dee already in the most important game that mattered.
He can not get the job done.
Regardless of GM, HC, playcaller or supporting cast.

Why not attempt change like you said while the defense, is still viable?

I see sticking with the same QB as giving up. Other QB contracts to have been moved on from.
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
A new play caller will expose this guy even worse.

If you can change the QB and not cost yourself a massive cap blow, then lets look at options, you cant though unless something very wierd happens like Dak decides to void his contract. Moving on from Dak this year in 99.9999% of all scenarios is comming with a firesale of players because you can not pay everyone and take that massive hit all at once.

 

[CowboyFrog]

What if Dak is relegated to the Bench . . . Why should the Cowboys throw Kellen away just for Dak?

At this point Kellen is the weapon that should be coveted . . . Dak has one dot in the grave and is only hanging on because of the massive mistake Jerry did 2 years ago

That is just compounding the problem . . . Whoever our next QB is will need Kellen and So do the Cowboys Organization

Then you have that huge cap hit sitting on the bench which dictates you can not bring a QB in unless you trade every pick you have and gamble on a high pick this draft... That rookie QB is going to have worse weapons than Dak does now because you will have Cap casualties as Dak will not sit the bench and restructure... your also going to lose several D players with no restructure so your going set that rookie QB up for failure.

 

[Adreme]

They played the #1 defense both years to get booted. Do you people even consider that or simply don’t understand?

That is a reason to not hang 30 on them but not a reason to not reach 20. If you are really a top tier offense you should at least look better than the Seahawks did last week or look better than the Dolphins backup QB. I get you are not going to look like Mahomes against that same defense but you cannot look outmatched if you are really a top offense. SImilarly the Bills claim to be a top defense but when they play a great offense in the playoffs they get dominated. If you want to be a great unit you had best not look horrible against other great units and the Cowboys offense looked horrible.

The funny part is that the one drive that the Cowboys were successful on was when they were rolling Dak out and using his legs to create plays either running or passing (a very Mahomes style and considering he hung 44 on them a good recipe to follow) and they just did not replicate it the rest of the game.

 

[Big D]

I will tell you that for me it's Kellens football philosophy or lack of one. When you build the team with the intent of being a strong running team and every time we get in short yardage situations you see shotgun with an empty backfield it tells me theres a disconnect. Not only do we not run, we don't even threaten to run. One of Daks strengths are operating from play action which falls in line with how the teams built but you can't tell by the play calling.

Even when we're in obvious situations to burn clock he seems oblivious to it and calls for three passes that take up .5 secs off the clock essentially helping the opponents conserve clock. He has no idea how to coach in a defensive battle. It's ok to punt, the offense is not required to be wide open at all times. You have to be able to switch gears, rely on the defense play the field position game, Kellen doesn't. He did seem to do it when Rush was in but he can't help himself when it comes down to it.

Kellens a smart guy and has some success in areas but I'd let anyone of the high school coaches from my area call the plays with the same personnel and they wouldn't do some of the things kellen does situationally.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Nothing they got smoked, but again was it the scheme or was it we had matchups that we had better players in? You dont believe Seattle has better players on offense than we do, but yet they did damage by making the SF defense get out of thier confort level.... we did none of that.

Both. defense was worse, we had a better oline and we had pollard.

Seattle skill position players, 100%. And when you take out pollard and put in zeke it’s grossly better.

how do you make a SF defense uncomfortable with zeke at rb?

 

[BoysForLife]

The only reason to change from Moore is we know how things currently are that Dak can’t get us over the jump so maybe a shakeup is what’s needed.

Kellen Moore is not the problem but what else can we do…

Hammer meet nail

There is a clear dichotomy on this board and has been for a while

Those who will defend Dak no matter what and those who are tired of the charade and ready to move on

The ditch Moore crowd is simply a re alignment of the Dak Davidians. They realize the SF performance was indefensible. So now the mantra is "yes Dak played poorly but it's REALLY Kellen's fault". His system is impossible for any QB to succeed in. Get rid of him and Dak will be mahomes just wait and see

 

[Hennessy_King]

Moore is the last remaining coach from the awful JG era. Throw him in the trash