A Case for Greg Ellis.

[DallasEast]

So now you decide who he can talk to and about what subject matter?

What purpose does it serve to involve the media? Does he really believe that he will strong-arm Jones into meeting his 'demands'? Is his actions truly warranted?

The answers are none, not likely, and nope.

I am pretty sure you can skip all the articles about Ellis altogether including this thread.

No.

For all your posts here methinks you protesteth a bit too much.

But not as much as Ellis, imo.

 

[DallasEast]

OK Greg, i see your side of things. Now shut your big fat yap and try and hit an incentive in this lifetime.

Careful. You may be asked to skip this thread and others like it.

 

[jterrell]

He's not going to be cut. Judging him by his previous tantrums, he's not going to hold out and he will play as well as he can. So, why whine to the media? Take the argument to Jones and deal with the consequences with the GM/owner only.

the problem with your thinking here is you assume he could get that meeting....

Jones did not want to give it to him. He told us all that.

After a few articles then his agent DID meet with Jones.

I'd suggest he took to the media to get what he could not in private.

Thats all just conjecture but so is your take that he could have accomplished his goals privately.

Since when has any NFL contract squabble been silent? --obviously we wouldn't know if it was...lol so they all get aired as far as we know.

Its the big story of the off-season for many clubs including the Pats what seems like yearly.

 

[Hostile]

Who’s hiding? And many of the comments made about Ellis are not filled with love. I can understand how many are upset but i think it has gone overboard. I don’t know, i don’t get that feeling that rises inside a person that makes them want to dislike Ellis. I think he has put in some good years and should be paid more or traded. I can see his perspective.

They aren't filled with hate either. That's a crutch of the weak minded who want a discussion to end rather than have a good take on a subject and defend it.

 

[jterrell]

Careful. You may be asked to skip this thread and others like it.

I did not ask you to skip anything. I merely noted it sounds hollow to say I m tired of hearing Ellis whine then read every one of his whines in a thread repeatedly.

If Ellis did handle this in private well what in the world would you have to post/read about during this deadtime?? lol.

You contradict yourself imo to some extent when you suggest Ellis is not going to get cut, is going to play hard, and is not going to force any changes... then say he shouldn't speak publicly about wanting more money.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

By the way. Pretty arrogant to consider yourself the voice of reason. Who appointed you?

JT has worked with NLFDB for some time now. I guess the answer to that would be the NFL Draft Blitz.

 

[jterrell]

They aren't filled with hate either. That's a crutch of the weak minded who want a discussion to end rather than have a good take on a subject and defend it.

Some of them are vitriolic obviously.
So many are very very tense in telling him to shut up and sit down and that he is horrbile or whatever... pretty harsh treatment of a 9 year Cowboy and team long time team captain

Obviously there is a nice middle ground where most posters reside that is neither hateful or unabashedly approving.

And as is usually the case the opinions stated strongest are the ones that draw the most attention.

But this goes back to perception. When one read a point agreeing with them it doesn't sound as harsh as it does to those that disagree.

 

[Hostile]

the problem with your thinking here is you assume he could get that meeting....

Jones did not want to give it to him. He told us all that.

After a few articles then his agent DID meet with Jones.

I'd suggest he took to the media to get what he could not in private.

Thats all just conjecture but so is your take that he could have accomplished his goals privately.

Since when has any NFL contract squabble been silent? --obviously we wouldn't know if it was...lol so they all get aired as far as we know.

Its the big story of the off-season for many clubs including the Pats what seems like yearly.

Jerry Jones meeting with his agent was about as professional as you can expect of any GM. I'm telling you that is straight classy. Notice that it was on the practice field, not in Jerry's office. Notice though that the agent showed up. As a show of respect Jerry met with him, but I'd venture to say there is no evidence whatsoever that a new deal is possible. Quite the contrary, I'd say it was an indication of desperation on Ellis' agent part. I think he was sent to ask for a trade or release, not a renegotiation. I have heard nothing to indicate however that Jerry agreed to do anything different than what he already plans. So how fruitful was that visit?

 

[DallasEast]

the problem with your thinking here is you assume he could get that meeting....

Jones did not want to give it to him. He told us all that.

After a few articles then his agent DID meet with Jones.

I'd suggest he took to the media to get what he could not in private.

Thats all just conjecture but so is your take that he could have accomplished his goals privately.

Since when has any NFL contract squabble been silent? --obviously we wouldn't know if it was...lol so they all get aired as far as we know.

Its the big story of the off-season for many clubs including the Pats what seems like yearly.

I suppose we're all guessing here. Still, Jerry Jones has been negotiating or re-negotiating contracts for years. Ellis' contract is no different. If Jones should feel the need to redo Ellis contract, I doubt that he will do so because Ellis brought the media into it. Soundbites don't translate well on the football field unless you're Joe Namath or Jimmy Johnson. He will do so after evaluating Ellis' future worth to the team following a serious injury which could directly effect his level of play. It's a shame that Ellis could not have allowed that to happen OR tried harder to start the process in a more amicable fashion.

You're right about contract squabbles. I just wish Ellis wouldn't have singled himself out as a pro athlete who may not even be fully ready to play this season, but demanded to be compensated as someone who definitely would be.

 

[Hostile]

Some of them are vitriolic obviously.
So many are very very tense in telling him to shut up and sit down and that he is horrbile or whatever... pretty harsh treatment of a 9 year Cowboy and team long time team captain

Obviously there is a nice middle ground where most posters reside that is neither hateful or unabashedly approving.

And as is usually the case the opinions stated strongest are the ones that draw the most attention.

But this goes back to perception. When one read a point agreeing with them it doesn't sound as harsh as it does to those that disagree.

I don't see it as vitriol at all. I see it as 3 years of frustration at this yearly insulting tactic.

Not one person in here is so anti-Greg Ellis that they would refuse to shake his hand or will throw a BBQ if/when is cut, traded, or retires.

Don't equate frustration of fans to hatred. That's nonsense.

 

[Vintage]

By the way. Pretty arrogant to consider yourself the voice of reason. Who appointed you?

He said he always "wanted to be a voice of reason."

He didn't say necessarily he was one or that he believes his take on the situation is the only way a "voice of reason" would have.

 

[Jarv]

Personally, I value Greg more than Bradie James on this team.

 

[jterrell]

Jerry Jones meeting with his agent was about as professional as you can expect of any GM. I'm telling you that is straight classy. Notice that it was on the practice field, not in Jerry's office. Notice though that the agent showed up. As a show of respect Jerry met with him, but I'd venture to say there is no evidence whatsoever that a new deal is possible. Quite the contrary, I'd say it was an indication of desperation on Ellis' agent part. I think he was sent to ask for a trade or release, not a renegotiation. I have heard nothing to indicate however that Jerry agreed to do anythign different than what he already plans. So how fruitful was that visit?

They went back into the offices after practice. (I tried to source this but it may well have been Mickey Spagnola on the Ranch Report)

The agent and Jerry were all friendly.

We do not know how fruitful it was or wasn't so best we can do is assume. and well you know the rest.

Greg did at least get his meeting. Stephen and Jerry met with James Williams for a brief time.

 

[DallasEast]

I did not ask you to skip anything. I merely noted it sounds hollow to say I m tired of hearing Ellis whine then read every one of his whines in a thread repeatedly.

JT!

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1525199&postcount=38

Now, really. That's not what you meant? I've respected your comments for years and honestly did not see that one coming.

If Ellis did handle this in private well what in the world would you have to post/read about during this deadtime?? lol.

:laugh2:

You contradict yourself imo to some extent when you suggest Ellis is not going to get cut, is going to play hard, and is not going to force any changes... then say he shouldn't speak publicly about wanting more money.

In time, we shall see if I have contradicted myself in any way concerning this soap opera Ellis has created via the media. If there is a whopper of a re-negotiated deal from Jones, I will have. If it's a whimper of a re-negotiated deal or none whatsoever, I don't think so. Stay tuned.

 

[Hostile]

They went back into the offices after practice. (I tried to source this but it may well have been Mickey Spagnola on the Ranch Report)

The agent and Jerry were all friendly.

We do not know how fruitful it was or wasn't so best we can do is assume. and well you know the rest.

Greg did at least get his meeting. Stephen and Jerry met with James Williams for a brief time.

Like I said, professional on Jerry's part. Looks desperate to me on the agent's part. I have not heard of the meeting going back to Jerry's office, so until I see verification of that I am skeptical that is the case.

 

[Verdict]

The original poster makes his arguments in support of Greg Ellis very well, I just do not agree with them. I understand WHY Greg Ellis is crying for an extension, I just do not believe that he merits a new contract. I do not remember Ellis whining that he was woefully underpaid when he signed his current contract. He was happy with the contract when he signed it, or he would not have signed it.

I seriously do not understand the thought process of many of the posters here who support Ellis' position on getting a big pay day when he is coming off a major injury. In reality, Ellis might not ever play football again.

If that is the case, the Cowboys won't be getting back any of the signing bonus they gave him, even if they were to cut or trade him, resulting in a windfall to Ellis for the time he was employed by the cowboys. Even if Ellis hadn't been injured last year, he does not "deserve" a new contract. He "deserves" to play out the one he signed.

The fact that he was the leading sack leader for the Cowboys for many years is not so much a feather in his cap as it is a knock on the state of the woeful Cowboys' teams since Ellis was drafted. None of those teams will be confused with the Ravens team that won the superbowl.

Ellis has been a steady solid player. I will also agree that he fits in the mold of a player that New England might have selected, as far as his performance has been steady and at an above average level. But players of Ellis' caliber are usually selected in the latter part of round one, not the eighth overall pick. You should expect to get an IMPACT player at the eighth pick, not just a solid performer. The draft value chart (although somewhat out of touch with reality as well) indicates the premium teams place on such a high pick.

Ellis wasn't a horrible pick, but to say that he has been anything other than solid, so far, is a bit of a stretch.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

They aren't filled with hate either. That's a crutch of the weak minded who want a discussion to end rather than have a good take on a subject and defend it.

From what emotion do insults come from? Judge the man, state your view. But the insults go too far. And you assume that all those that do use the word hate actually want the discussion to end. I do not. And i do believe many have actual hate for Ellis.

 

[Jarv]

Like I said, professional on Jerry's part. Looks desperate to me on the agent's part. I have not heard of the meeting going back to Jerry's office, so until I see verification of that I am skeptical that is the case.

I thought I read Jerry talked to him for 15 minutes on the field then the agent went inside and spoke with Stephen ?

 

[Hostile]

From what emotion do insults come from? Judge the man, state your view. But the insults go too far. And you assume that all those that do use the word hate actually want the discussion to end. I do not. And i do believe many have actual hate for Ellis.

So you're telling me that if you argue with your wife it is because you hate her?

Man, your world is awfully extreme.

Pesonally, I think that's nonsense and you don't really even believe it. Unless you hear or read someone say "I hate Greg Ellis" then assuming that they do is lame.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I thought I read Jerry talked to him for 15 minutes on the field then the agent went inside and spoke with Stephen ?

The DMN newspaper edition reported Sunday that both Jerry and Stephen met with Williams. Whether that was in an office or on the field was not clear.