A Female Passenger on Benson's Boat Called for Help

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I did read the link... and nowhere did it mention "especially in the South"...

Did you add that on your own?

If I misread it, I apologize...

I added that on my own although I have read other sources that indicate that. As i said before Dixon's case was not a solitary issue.

 

[LUVDABOYS]

This is true. I was often profiled as a teen because I had a fast car. I even got pulled over one time by a Volunteer Special Deputy. He lost his badge for that.

One time I got questioned by a cop for an extensive amount of time because I was sitting in my car at a park early in the morning, writing a poem for an English assignment that was due that day that I had procrastinated too long on. He not only spent 30 minutes inspecting everything he possibly could, he spent another 30 minutes parked nearby to keep an eye on me. Hey if he enjoyed watching me struggle to write a sonnet more power to him.

And if you happened to be a nutcase waiting for an unsuspecting jogger to pass by, he would have saved the jogger's life. This discussion is becoming pathetic in my opinion, and the lawyer is making me want to puke. Oh well, I dont have to keep reading right?

 

[VietCowboy]

I added that on my own although I have read other sources that indicate that. As i said before Dixon's case was not a solitary issue.

understandably, no innocent should be convicted of crimes they did not commit. But, of course, seeing #'s in the hundreds (in this case 300+) without thinking about the fact that MILLIONS of cases are tried, and MILLIONS are convicted in that 15 year time period is short-sighted. Even with a failure (convicting an innocent man) of .1%(tenth of a percent) , with MILLIONS of cases that are convicted, 0.1% is in the hundreds. 0.1% isn't a lot.

I'm not saying it isn't right. Most likely, a good chunk of it is due to having a bad public defender (bad = too much work, too little pay, inexperienced, etc). If they had money, AND been wrongly convicted, an appeal from a good attorney may be the safety net if they can point out the flaws or wrongful accusations (looks like a lot of it stemmed from faulty eyewitness, and I know from personally talking with experts in this arena, that eyewitness sucks...even a LITTLE misleading information can alter someone's belief of what they thought happened).

Let's say you saw a car crash. If you heard the interviewer say "At what speed do you think the cars SMASHED into each other" can influence you to think differently than "At what speed do you think the cars hit each other."

 

[Hostile]

And if you happened to be a nutcase waiting for an unsuspecting jogger to pass by, he would have saved the jogger's life. This discussion is becoming pathetic in my opinion, and the lawyer is making me want to puke. Oh well, I dont have to keep reading right?

I doubt I could have seen a jogger with my head down in a notebook. Heck I didn't even know he was there until he tapped on the window.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Sorry. That list of things you should not say to police officers is from a Web site. It's not my list and can't claim credit. Thank you.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

If you hate this country so much why don't you try another one. See how much freedom you might have there.

I'm wit you, heavyg!

Yeah, Fuz go find another police state and let us beef-eatin god-fearing peoples enjoy life withoout the complaining from anyone.


I hate it that anyone would question one's country at all!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Do people actually still talk like that in Texas?

Yes. Much like they do in Boston, Chicago and Miami and L.A.

Anyone who feels that kind of talk is strictly south hasn't been around the country much

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you hate this country so much why don't you try another one. See how much freedom you might have there.

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

Benjamin Franklin


Quite frankly, your not contesting what I am saying but rather saying that other people have it worse. That is a piss poor excuse. Because despots like Mobutu treats his citizens like trash does not excuse our leaders and their representatives doing the same.

I will always pursue a better life and place to live. I love my country and despise people that thinks its okay that injustices occur. Saying that there are more injustices elsewhere is not an excuse but rather simply puts that which you support in with its kind.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

understandably, no innocent should be convicted of crimes they did not commit. But, of course, seeing #'s in the hundreds (in this case 300+) without thinking about the fact that MILLIONS of cases are tried, and MILLIONS are convicted in that 15 year time period is short-sighted. Even with a failure (convicting an innocent man) of .1%(tenth of a percent) , with MILLIONS of cases that are convicted, 0.1% is in the hundreds. 0.1% isn't a lot.

I'm not saying it isn't right. Most likely, a good chunk of it is due to having a bad public defender (bad = too much work, too little pay, inexperienced, etc). If they had money, AND been wrongly convicted, an appeal from a good attorney may be the safety net if they can point out the flaws or wrongful accusations (looks like a lot of it stemmed from faulty eyewitness, and I know from personally talking with experts in this arena, that eyewitness sucks...even a LITTLE misleading information can alter someone's belief of what they thought happened).

Let's say you saw a car crash. If you heard the interviewer say "At what speed do you think the cars SMASHED into each other" can influence you to think differently than "At what speed do you think the cars hit each other."

The quality of your defense is almost invariably directly proportional to the amount you can pay.

I also understand that the number of lawful convictions is minimal and that has a lot to do with the judicial system established by our forebearers.

At the same time i look at the fact that over 250 million Americans are incarcerated and i am appalled. Quite frankly as time goes by law enforcement is becoming less and less about public welfare and more and more about consolidating power and making money

 

[TNCowboy]

The quality of your defense is almost invariably directly proportional to the amount you can pay.

I also understand that the number of lawful convictions is minimal and that has a lot to do with the judicial system established by our forebearers.

At the same time i look at the fact that over 250 million Americans are incarcerated and i am appalled. Quite frankly as time goes by law enforcement is becoming less and less about public welfare and more and more about consolidating power and making money

So you think almost everyone in America is incarcerated? No wonder you hate our laws so much.

 

[DallasEast]

At the same time i look at the fact that over 250 million Americans are incarcerated and i am appalled.

Saaay, aren't you getting a bit fuzzy with the numbers?

 

[Chuck 54]

It won't surprise me one bit if the police there were in the wrong regarding Benson...and frankly, I hope they get their butts handed to them if they were wrong.

That said, while Benson is lucky to have such a good friend, I'm betting he's not going to like her report that he was calling for his Momma to make them stop ...that alone makes it sound like he may have been very drunk.

 

[trueblue1687]

I doubt I could have seen a jogger with my head down in a notebook. Heck I didn't even know he was there until he tapped on the window.

Hostile, I found your story the most funny, although I know you didn't think it was funny probably. I'm not sure if it's the same where your incident took place as it is here and most everywhere else (I know officers in ALMOST every state....not sure about Arizona, tho), but people sitting in their cars in parks (alone) are usually not the local poet struggling with a verse . Like i said...in most locales I know of, that is the M.O. (to use a stale police term) of perverts and pedophiles. Of course that is not always the case, but at least here, if you encountered 100 people in your scenario, 95 of them would be pervs waiting to compare "goods" or at least show them. Anyway, I got a kick out of your story. Kinda like the Ben Stiller movie where he's at the rest stop on his knees looking for his contact lens....remember that movie??

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I didn't log back onto the forum until this evening. Were any of posts that were deleted originally made by DaBoys4Life?

Please say yes.

And don't make me beg.

like honestly whats your obsession with me.

 

[trueblue1687]

It is just odd that you make the above comment in bold, when neither of us was there.

Now, if you were stating that as an opinion, that would be different, but clearly you are positing it as a fact, which it is not.

The over obvious part of your post is this: everything on here is opinion. That said he IS being held accountable for his actions, whether he is right or wrong. That will be fleshed out in court. It is well known that the US has the most liberal court system in the world, so if you are truly innocent, there is a high probability you will be exonerated. But to your statement, everything on this board is opinion.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

The over obvious part of your post is this: everything on here is opinion. That said he IS being held accountable for his actions, whether he is right or wrong. That will be fleshed out in court. It is well known that the US has the most liberal court system in the world, so if you are truly innocent, there is a high probability you will be exonerated. But to your statement, everything on this board is opinion.

...... come again.

 

[trueblue1687]

So just because you have never dealt or experince any of these issues means that most people don't go through this stuff man ignorance is bliss.

Not sure what you mean by "this stuff" but if you are talking about being stopped by police, MOST people NEVER have an encounter with them. If you are talking about blacks, which I suspect you are, you need to read what you highlighted closer. I have never supposed that racil injustices don't happen. I merely said in my 15 year career, I have never witnessed a racial motivated injustice. To that end, I would challenge anyone to go to your respective police agency and request data on stops by race and look at that in relation to the stop location. Every P.D. tracks EVERYTHING they do, so the data is available, trust me. I would bet any amount of money that you will see the majority of black stops in black neighborhoods, whites stopped in white neighborhoods, etc. Of course, nobody ever thinks about that, they percieve an inordinate number of "racial" stops when in fact, if anyone at all is stopped in a racially segregate neighborhood or section of town, they are going to most likely be of the predominate race. I'm just saying that (read this carefully....AGAIN) in my experience, the "race card" is thrown when a person is against the wall and nothing else will work. It's never that they were speeding, or drunk, or urinating in public, or caught with stolen goods, etc, etc. A last "for instance" and I'm through with this thread: my neighbors of 10 years are black, have lived here all there lives, middle class and guess what....They've NEVER had another cop to their house except for me to drink a beer with them. They've never been stopped by a cop while driving.

 

[heavyg]

The over obvious part of your post is this: everything on here is opinion. That said he IS being held accountable for his actions, whether he is right or wrong. That will be fleshed out in court. It is well known that the US has the most liberal court system in the world, so if you are truly innocent, there is a high probability you will be exonerated. But to your statement, everything on this board is opinion.

And even when your guilty as sin (see O.J. Simpson)

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Not sure what you mean by "this stuff" but if you are talking about being stopped by police, MOST people NEVER have an encounter with them. If you are talking about blacks, which I suspect you are, you need to read what you highlighted closer. I have never supposed that racil injustices don't happen. I merely said in my 15 year career, I have never witnessed a racial motivated injustice. To that end, I would challenge anyone to go to your respective police agency and request data on stops by race and look at that in relation to the stop location. Every P.D. tracks EVERYTHING they do, so the data is available, trust me. I would bet any amount of money that you will see the majority of black stops in black neighborhoods, whites stopped in white neighborhoods, etc. Of course, nobody ever thinks about that, they percieve an inordinate number of "racial" stops when in fact, if anyone at all is stopped in a racially segregate neighborhood or section of town, they are going to most likely be of the predominate race. I'm just saying that (read this carefully....AGAIN) in my experience, the "race card" is thrown when a person is against the wall and nothing else will work. It's never that they were speeding, or drunk, or urinating in public, or caught with stolen goods, etc, etc. A last "for instance" and I'm through with this thread: my neighbors of 10 years are black, have lived here all there lives, middle class and guess what....They've NEVER had another cop to their house except for me to drink a beer with them. They've never been stopped by a cop while driving.

That's the thing the stops are not bias or show no racial disparity. However if you look to see who has the car searched more then the difference becomes clear. I was just saying just because in your 15 year career you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Yea well I have had cops to my house before like i stated and not even do anything just because your laid back and cool with them doesn't mean that how all cops are. So like I said your experience and mine are different and your friends experiences and mine are different so it is just safe to assume that I am throwing out the race card? Or that when something does happen I shouldn't expect that my race played a certain factor in the event?

 

[heavyg]

That's the thing the stops are not bias or show no racial disparity. However if you look to see who has the car searched more then the difference becomes clear. I was just saying just because in your 15 year career you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Yea well I have had cops to my house before like i stated and not even do anything just because your laid back and cool with them doesn't mean that how all cops are. So like I said your experience and mine are different and your friends experiences and mine are different so it is just safe to assume that I am throwing out the race card? Or that when something does happen I shouldn't expect that my race played a certain factor in the event?

You know I don't think I have or he has said "this stuff" NEVER happens. We are arguing that it's not as common as you are making it out. The way you talk every single police officer in America is a racist POS. And every black person in America has been profiled.