Adrian Peterson Sweepstakes ***Officially reinstated (again) and merged***

[JBS]

He can demand it if he wants, but I personally have no interest in paying it.

And I hope the Cowboys don't either.

I just don't understand how you think that's reasonable...it's like a slap in the face imo

 

[JBS]

I wouldn't want to get in for four years if I can help it.

I'm ok with the $8 million average though.

Yeah I think the 8 Avg is fine...I don't think the 12 guaranteed is even close...

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Another bad argument.

Our offensive line was a great run blocking unit, they played great football. But they are not a historic offensive line, there have been countless RBs throughout history running behind great offensive line. 20+ plays by an RB or them taking it the distance doesn't happen often, no matter the offensive line.

Lesean McCoy ran behind one of the better offensive lines in the league in 2013, guess how many 20+ plays he had? 9. Adrian Peterson, outside of 2012, when he was running behind a top 10 offensive line, averaged about 8-9 20+ yard plays.

Demarco Murray had 15 20+ yard runs last year, Peterson MAY have had a few more; but I'm willing to bet he'd have around the same average as Murray.

How hard is it to understand? Peterson is faster then Murray. out of those 15 20plus yard runs he had last year, Peterson takes it to the house while DM gets tackled.

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[gimmesix]

Under his current deal he will be guaranteed his full base salary of $12.75 million once he plays in week 1 no matter which team that is for.

Yes, but for Dallas it works better to convert it to bonus and spread the hit over three years.

I don't think it would be an issue because the Cowboys wouldn't be asking him to take any less money this year and would need to renegotiate next year to keep him. So Peterson gets $13 million and can just walk away next year if Dallas chooses not to try to rework the rest of the deal because the Cowboys aren't going to take a $19 million hit to next year's cap.

If Peterson is seeking more than Minnesota is paying him or more guaranteed money than that, then I would hope Dallas would walk away.

 

[Stash]

Under his current deal he will be guaranteed his full base salary of $12.75 million once he plays in week 1 no matter which team that is for.

Which further leads me to believe that the Vikings don't want to pay that amount either. And that they have told him so.

 

[mattjames2010]

How hard is it to understand? Peterson is faster then Murray. out of those 15 20plus yard runs he had last year, Peterson takes it to the house while DM gets tackled.

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All hypotheticals, but certainly nothing to go on. Because he's "faster", he was going to have more 20+ yard plays? McCoy is faster, had the best offensive line in 2013 and had an improved offensive line later on last year and didn't have a high amount of 20+ yard runs.

What's so hard to understand that these 20+ yard runs aren't that common with ANY RB? Would AP have had more than 15 20+ yard runs? Maybe, but it's not even close to a certainty.

And this entire discussion was brought up because it's used as a knock against Murray. If it's a knock against Murray, it's a knock against McCoy and nearly every other RB who ran behind some of the better run blocking lines.

Just more and more hypotheticals, more reliable eye tests from fans, and unreasonable expectations from players. The same fans are the ones screaming for illogical trades.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Looks like you are recognizing it was never going to be as easy as some made it out to be to bring Peterson to Dallas. It was always going to be a challenging task.

I dont recall one post implying it would be easy....

 

[phildadon86]

I'm really not understanding how there is even a comparison Murray to Peterson. It's not even close how much better Peterson is.

 

[JBS]

All hypotheticals, but certainly nothing to go on. Because he's "faster", he was going to have more 20+ yard plays? McCoy is faster, had the best offensive line in 2013 and had an improved offensive line later on last year and didn't have a high amount of 20+ yard runs.

What's so hard to understand that these 20+ yard runs aren't that common with ANY RB? Would AP have had more than 15 20+ yard runs? Maybe, but it's not even close to a certainty.

And this entire discussion was brought up because it's used as a knock against Murray. If it's a knock against Murray, it's a knock against McCoy and nearly every other RB who ran behind some of the better run blocking lines.

Just more and more hypotheticals, more reliable eye tests from fans, and unreasonable expectations from players. The same fans are the ones screaming for illogical trades.

You are nuts...peterson had 27...yes, TWENTY SEVEN 20+ yard runs in 2012

Don't even compare the two...demarco murray is a scrub in that open field...it's pathetic how bad he is when he gets in open space...

 

[mattjames2010]

I'm really not understanding how there is even a comparison Murray to Peterson. It's not even close how much better Peterson is.

And we'll wait as you find the phantom posts of those who have said Murray is better than Peterson.

I won't hold my breath though.

 

[Stash]

I just don't understand how you think that's reasonable...it's like a slap in the face imo

If he thinks so, he can stay in Minnesota.

 

[mattjames2010]

You are nuts...peterson had 27...yes, TWENTY SEVEN 20+ yard runs in 2012

Don't even compare the two...demarco murray is a scrub in that open field...it's pathetic how bad he is when he gets in open space...

Oh, in his anomaly of a year? That is a kind of year AP will most likely NEVER have a again.

Just stop. You are taking his BEST year by far statistically and using that as a career average. Again, more unreasonable expectations from observant fans. Expectations that are rarely ever met by players because 2,000 yard seasons don't happen often.

But hey, this goes along with the mythical/mutant Peterson. He's averaged 2,000 yards rushing every year, never had a bad game, and an ACL/MCL injury didn't affect him in any way.

 

[phildadon86]

And we'll wait as you find the phantom posts of those who have said Murray is better than Peterson.

I won't hold my breath though.

Ironic that the biggest advocate of Murray is you and you are asking me to find posts. 3 posts ago you were talking in hypothetical about peterson being on par with Murray when it comes to 20 plus yard runs.

 

[JBS]

Oh, in his anomaly of a year? That is a kind of year AP will most likely NEVER have a again.

Just stop. You are taking his BEST year by far statistically and using that as a career average.

No way am I using that as a career average...

Says the guy who uses all of Murrays stats from his one and only good year in his entire life

 

[Stash]

Yeah I think the 8 Avg is fine...I don't think the 12 guaranteed is even close...

$12.5 guaranteed and a $1 million salary for 2015 not only ensures him of two years of his deal, but gives him what his current deal does not, a guarantee.

 

[JBS]

$12.5 guaranteed and a $1 million salary for 2015 not only ensures him of two years of his deal, but gives him what his current deal does not, a guarantee.

Oh, so it's possible he gets cut and nobody picks him up? And he makes zero this year?

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I've never heard that...but why would he be satisfied w that? He can get that from any team in the league...

I think AP wants to come

I'm asking him to make some sort of concessions to get to where he wants to be. I don't think that's 'unreasonable' at all. And if he's unwilling to do that, he can fight it out with the Vikings because nobody is paying that.

And I think he will. But it has to be somewhat close to what AZ will offer. or another team, Both in terms of money and picks(to get minny off his back). I have no idea what AZ or other another team will offer....I am just taking a WAG.

I think he wants out bad enough, but he wants paid too.....and Minny wants to get theirs too.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I didn't say they would take it. I said that is what I would offer them. They are going to seek everything they can get, but that doesn't mean we should give it to them.

As I said, I wouldn't offer above a third. If I offered Carr, he's a starter and I wouldn't trade more than that for a 30-year-old back. If they want a pick and a corner, I'd offer Claiborne and a fourth. That's all I would give.

Sometimes the best move you can make is standing your ground. If that means Dallas drafts a running back in the first or second round instead of trading for AP, so be it. We'll see how it turns out.

Just say you won't trade for Peterson then because your offers are a joke.

 

[mattjames2010]

No way am I using that as a career average...

Says the guy who uses all of Murrays stats from his one and only good year in his entire life

First off, it was a great year. Secondly, he had a good year in 2013 and had a really good year in 2011 before his injury. I've used 2011, 2013, and 2014 as evidence.

 

[gimmesix]

Just say you won't trade for Peterson then because your offers are a joke.

We'll see.

I don't see any team giving up a first and a corner for Peterson. I don't see any team giving up a second and a corner for Peterson. I'm not sure I see any team giving up a second for Peterson, considering he is 30 and has a DM issue hanging over his head.

And I can't see Minnesota keeping him unless he comes out and says he wants to stay.

I might be wrong, but we'll see.

But since you think my offers are a joke, what do you think it will take to get him if Minnesota trades him?