Adrian Peterson Sweepstakes ***Officially reinstated (again) and merged***

[pansophy]

What evidence short of tampering satisfies your criteria?

If that's the bar you're setting there's no way anyone could reach it.

If all he said is that we are still looking at free agents to improve the running back position, I'd take that. I could see how it could be argued that that is a message to AP.

But he hasn't even said that, despite signing Dunbar this week. It's a pretty low bar.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

It was just announced Greg Hardy is suspended for 10 games this year. That means our defense is going to take a hit. Getting a RB like Peterson, helps sustain drives and keeps the defense off the field longer. Hence.. the best defense we can have is a solid offense.

Yeah, with Hardy gone for 10, we have to go get AP.

 

[Stash]

How many teams in the last 20 years have had a HOF RB that led them to win the super bowl. I think you will find that list to be short. The Vikings have had him through out his 20's and they obviously haven't done very much.

And what else have the Vikings had? One player does not a team make. And our own Tony Romo has unfairly gotten the same criticism.

http://kdvr.com/2015/01/09/all-48-super-bowl-champs-have-followed-this-offensive-backfield-formula/

I think you'll find some interesting numbers in that piece.

I agree that we need to keep running the ball to continue to take the next step. I just don't think we need an all-pro at every skill position to do it, and I know its impossible to do that on offense and defense unless you happen to hit the lottery on a few years of draft picks.

If we had kept Murray, wouldn't that number of 'all pro's' have been the same? Would you have railed against the Murray re-signing with the same vigor? Or is this yet another attempt at a strike only against acquiring Peterson? I think I know the answer.

If we have restrict resources to a position, RB is one that makes sense.

Under most circumstances, I would certainly agree with you, and I applaud the Cowboys for having a set number in mind for Murray. I just happen to believe that the number for Peterson is a bit higher, and rightly so.

 

[Stash]

you asked for it.

You keep that up and we're gonna have to talk about revoking your internet privileges!

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Yeah, with Hardy gone for 10, we have to go get AP.

lol. No way we give up picks for AP when we can use that for the defense with Hardy gonna miss 10 games.

 

[ufcrules1]

Yeah, with Hardy gone for 10, we have to go get AP.

Yup, would be dumb not to go get him. Also, with Hardy for 10 games.. it is going to free up cap space. Even if it is reduced to say 6 games it will still free up cap space. Time to go get Peterson.

 

[yimyammer]

An excerpt from the above-referenced article:

Peterson’s negativity toward a team that paid him millions last year for not playing—and a team that wants to pay him the $12.75 million he is due this year—is puzzling to many. But his lingering hard feelings built up over the long months that he was away from the team, and they haven’t subsided.

See, it's not 'puzzling' to me, because I don't think the Vikings want to pay him under his current contract.

Before this whole incident happened, there was plenty of speculation that the Vikings would have to revisit the current terms of Peterson's deal anyway, given that the numbers are completely out of whack, especially in light of the current salaries for premier running backs.

As a matter of fact, given the contract's structure and the guaranteed money having already been paid, this was obviously the plan. To bring both sides back to the negotiating table at this point, with the team feeling they had great leverage because of the guaranteed money being paid.

What they didn't count on is the player wanting no part of either renegotiating the deal, or even returning to the team.

And now they're left in a stalemate and essentially scrambling around trying to get something for a player that the situation dictates they would otherwise have to cut, receiving nothing in return.

Or they can change course, and force a disgruntled player to take money that they don't actually want to pay him, simply to retain him for another season rather than getting nothing for him. And then go into 2016 with an even older player due to make even more money.

I just see all of these factors coming to a head, with the end result that Peterson doesn't play for the Vikings again.

This, its so obvious, I can't believe so many people, especially talking heads think otherwise.

No way Minny pays him 13+ million this year

 

[ufcrules1]

lol. No way we give up picks for AP when we can use that for the defense with Hardy gonna miss 10 games.

No rookie is going to help this defense more than AP would. Long sustaining drives keeps our defense off the field.

 

[ufcrules1]

This, its so obvious, I can't believe so many people, especially talking heads think otherwise.

No way Minny pays him 13+ million this year

He will not be playing for Minny this year. It's plain as day to anyone paying attention.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

No rookie is going to help this defense more than AP would. Long sustaining drives keeps our defense off the field.

lol. Did Murray help our pass rush last year?

Dream on. Stephen Jones just said on the Fan they aren't trading away their draft picks for a veteran player. Aka Peterson.

 

[Silver N Blue]

This draft will be about the Defense..if we do draft a back..it will be 4 thru 7th round..Mcfadden is the starter...

No chance

 

[Silver N Blue]

Yeah, with Hardy gone for 10, we have to go get AP.

Exactly why I am on record not wanting the guy. Yeah I was they brought him in. I understand the talent he brings but he brings no value to the team not there. I hope I am write with AD cause if I am wrong this team could swing and miss twice both times.

 

[phildadon86]

Out of curiosity, you guys who want AP, in the even we do not get him, what RB are you hoping for in the draft?

Gurley or Coleman. I don't trust Gordon at all

 

[Air Force One]

lol. Did Murray help our pass rush last year?.

Yeah, he did. He helped keep our defense off the field.

 

[mattjames2010]

1. The Eagles OL is horrible and they gave up 23 sacks on Sanchez in 8 games started last year. That's 7 shy of Romo, in 15 games.
2. Since when does 20+ runs, that don't end in scores, qualify as home-running? It could, provided the run breaks not only 20, but maybe 35 or 40.

Convenient that you essentially ignored the stat of 40+ yard

Looking at Murray between 2013 and 2014, Murray jumped from 8 to 18 20+ yards per run, but his 40+ stayed at 3. He went from 217 carries to 392 carries, so with 108 more carries, Murray still couldn't increase his "home-run output". And the fact that his 20+ output increased, shows he was probably getting in the backfield more to capitalize on the opportunities to take on to the house.

Looking at a guy like Foster, who ran the ball 100 times less than Murray, he had 3 +40 yards last year and he was the number 2 runner. Going back a year, when McCoy was the man, he ran it seventy times less and had the same home run output. None of these guys even sniffed close to the numbers of Murray in terms of opportunities whether this year or last year.

And neither Foster nor McCoy were afforded the luxury of a passing game like the Cowboys, especially when their QBs sucked to threaten the run as much. And none of your post addresses the issue of 1000 yards of Murray being obtained before even getting touched by the first defender to allow him to get going.

In 2013, McCoy ran behind the best run blocking line in the NFL and had Nick Foles playing like a mad man. He didn't have a passing game? He didn't have a line?

What aren't you guys understand here? 20+ and 40+ yard runs go hand in hand. I gave you the link, look it up. 20+ yard runs are low, which means 40+ yard runs are ever rarer. I gave you nearly 20 years of statistics, in that time there have been GREAT RBs and a lot who rushed 340-350 times in a season and their 20+/40+ yard runs were low.

Again, more myths, more unreasonable expectations from the "observant" fans. Having 3-4 40+ runs is around the norm, throughout history there are 3 players that have significantly higher than that in a season: Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, Tiki Barber, and Barry Sanders

And before you go on, AGAIN with the "He had the most rushes in the league!", this is 20 years of statistics; there were plenty of rushers who ran the ball 320-350 times, unless you believe 40+ runs significantly raise within 50 carries. I'd call that absurd if you believe that, but hey, believe what you want.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Yeah, he did. He helped keep our defense off the field.

So when they were ON the field, how d the running game help it? When teams were easily going up and down the field for scores, how did our run game help it? Not talking about off the field, but when the d is playing. We need help there. Period.

 

[khiladi]

In 2013, McCoy ran behind the best run blocking line in the NFL and had Nick Foles playing like a mad man. He didn't have a passing game? He didn't have a line?

What aren't you guys understand here? 20+ and 40+ yard runs go hand in hand. I gave you the link, look it up. 20+ yard runs are low, which means 40+ yard runs are ever rarer. I gave you nearly 20 years of statistics, in that time there have been GREAT RBs and a lot who rushed 340-350 times in a season and their 20+/40+ yard runs were low.

Again, more myths, more unreasonable expectations from the "observant" fans. Having 3-4 40+ runs is around the norm, throughout history there are 3 players that have significantly higher than that in a season: Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, and Tiki Barber.

And before you go on, AGAIN with the "He had the most rushes in the league!", this is 20 years of statistics; there were plenty of rushers who ran the ball 320-350 times, unless you believe 40+ runs significantly raise within 50 carries. I'd call that absurd if you believe that, but hey, believe what you want.

First of all, it's close to 80 rushing attempts. Second, twenty yards is not indicative of a home run hitter. That is medium range. Third, your statistics of twenty years in the NFL is, a majority of the era, a league built to stop the run. Nobody has run as close to Murray this season than for a long time. Fourth, none of this takes into account the stars of yards when Murray was first hit. Fifth, no the Eagles did not have that great of line and even if they did, the numbers still show around eighty carries less. Files played out of his mind, because if the system, but he was also under lots of pressure.

In the end, Murray carried almost eighty extra times and his 40+ carries went down from last year. That is a fact..

 

[JoeBoBBY]

So when they were ON the field, how d the running game help it? When teams were easily going up and down the field for scores, how did our run game help it? Not talking about off the field, but when the d is playing. We need help there. Period.

But with Hardy gone for 10 and us playing the Eagles and Giants both twice in the first nine games.

Were going to need to sign AP..... We dont have a choice!

 

[JoeBoBBY]

In 2013, McCoy ran behind the best run blocking line in the NFL and had Nick Foles playing like a mad man. He didn't have a passing game? He didn't have a line?

What aren't you guys understand here? 20+ and 40+ yard runs go hand in hand. I gave you the link, look it up. 20+ yard runs are low, which means 40+ yard runs are ever rarer. I gave you nearly 20 years of statistics, in that time there have been GREAT RBs and a lot who rushed 340-350 times in a season and their 20+/40+ yard runs were low.

Again, more myths, more unreasonable expectations from the "observant" fans. Having 3-4 40+ runs is around the norm, throughout history there are 3 players that have significantly higher than that in a season: Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, Tiki Barber, and Barry Sanders

And before you go on, AGAIN with the "He had the most rushes in the league!", this is 20 years of statistics; there were plenty of rushers who ran the ball 320-350 times, unless you believe 40+ runs significantly raise within 50 carries. I'd call that absurd if you believe that, but hey, believe what you want.

Those are great great points.

Guys, it looks like we need to sign AP pronto; we have no choice now.

 

[dallasdave]

Those are great great points.

Guys, it looks like we need to sign AP pronto; we have no choice now.

Well said, stay thirsty my friend.