After the season is over I dont think anyone will argue on Merriman

[kTXe]

Does he have an int return for a TD? I thought not.

Either does Ware.

But DeMarcus DOES have a fumble return for a TD.

 

[Hostile]

You act like a tucson boy...you have picked up their ways.

Thank you. Since the people here are very good in nature I am going to take this as a compliment.

Oh, and the quote function isn't that difficult. Learn it next huh?

what are you talking about? there is no guarantee singleton would have been taken out of the game? that's a cop out answer...one that is used when you have nothing viable to say. Ware is not getting the pressure all of you thought he would I will tell you that. If you say so you are lying. Let me tell you something if you are dominant you dont worry about the QB you are facing you go and get him! LT never worried about that. If Ware was the next LT he wouldnt either and to tell you that truth I dont think he is. So you are telling me that he is thinking about containing a QB so he doesnt rush as hard? your logic doesnt make sense. It's not his job to do that. That would be the spy's job or whoever is designated to do that. You know that right? And Ware would never be designated that. From what I saw he was trying his butt off to get to the QB on every play that he rushed. He never hesitated. He rushed the same way he always had. He only has two moves. It didnt matter which QB he was facing. Next.

Yeah, you are right. The first 2 years Parcells didn't try to groom Kalen Thornton or Eric Ogbogu to be the WOLB on 3rd downs and in the Nickel.

:wink2:

The problem is, you're debating with people who remember beyond last week or even week 1 of this season and aren't reliant upon a stats that says 5.5 > 2 while ignoring every other stat and fact.

Hey congrats, you've got a comparison to LT and a 5.5 > 2 stat. You da man.

Ware is getting a lot more pressure than you understand, because you're only looking at the sack stats and you've clearly got no concept of the defensive assignments he has. You've as much as confessed to this now, so don't deny it. "Go get him."

You go Coach. Teach the world the truths of football as you see them.



You've already ignored the fact that others have told you that in 2005 he had more QB pressures, fumbles caused, fumble recoveries, tackles, tackles for losses, etc. And you've ignored that he's doing it again this year. These things are indisputable yet here you sit, telling all of us that he's a lesser player.

Do you really think people are that gullible? Think again.

I saw that. Come on man you will have to try harder to get me. But I think the two have nothing to do with the other. You may try and make the parallel but there is none in this case because on 3rd down he isnt getting to the QB...neither is hardly anyone else. I could see if we were putting alot of pressure you could make that parallel but the fact that he only has two moves and is struggling should tell you different. I guarantee BP is talking a whole bunch of mess about it too!

Well, you'd have to think something foolish like that to make your theory hold any water wouldn't you? So, this revelation really isn't anything other than a regurgitation of what has already been spewed.

NO but LT reaked alot more havoc every year he played..especially in his rookie year....have you compared the stats? I guess not or you wouldnt have stated what you did. You really didnt address what I said. I guess I know why now, there was nothing you could say. Until this guy goes off like you and I thought he would there is a problem IMO. We drafted the wrong guy.

So in your world this kid is a failure because he can't live up to perhaps the 2nd greatest player who ever played the game and the best defender of all time? That's pretty convenient thinking there Sparky. Forget that Parcells wants him to be a complete player and has said so many times. Just spout nonsense that no team fears him and run with it as if it's true even though you can't prove it and everyone who has synapses that fire knows it.

Junior? You dont even know who you are talking to...you have the wrong man with that statement. You are the one who is assuming they are asking him to lay back...what are you talking about? They are telling him to get to the QB when he rushes and he cant! are you not watching the games? Just because he cant get to the QB has nothing to do with the run defense. When he rushes he bolts right for the QB...everytime....he cant get there..he has two moves...we have no passrush...teams have all day..Carr had all day! are you a true fan? what is wrong with you? Are you drunk tonight? I want a passrush and thought we would have one...we dont...its minimal...if you cant get to Carr you have problems...every other team has...you will see...Canty cant get to the QB...Spears cant...Ellis can sometimes..and now we have another Ellis...beautiful...just what we needed...we would have been better off drafting a serious O linemen if we were going to get a glorified Al Singleton...

Don't ever ask me or anyone else if they are a true fan just because they disagree with you. Heed me on that because that is something I don't tolerate. Don't be a child just because people don't agree with you. It's asking a lot of you I know. Hence the Junior comment that you've now lived up to...again.

No, I'm not drunk. I've never had a drink in my life and I don't have a cold so no Nyquil. Don't try a drugs angle. Stick to football if you're able to.

One question, do you honestly think whining about the past is going to change the future? Wipe up the milk before it goes sour the next time it spills around you. Try a diet other than sour grapes.

Dude you are weak...case closed...all your points were blown out of the water...i guarantee you everyone sees it!

Just because you say so right? Wake up, some of the smartest fans on this site are shooting down your whining.

Besides that the coffee's brewed and getting cold and so is your breakfast. You don't want to keep sleeping right through the games like this so that all you've got is the sack stats to look it.

The game is really beautiful if you bother to take the time to understand what teams are trying to do.

Give it a try.

 

[WilmingtonHeel]

Game, set match!

 

[ccb04]

If sacks is all that matters ... Merriman isn't even the best LB on his team. Shaun Phillips has 6 sacks and 2 more passes defensed than the almighty. Oh, and he didn't cost his team a game by blowing a tackle while getting spun around trying to go for the big hit.

BTW, if I were going to wish we had a current Charger on our roster given the teams needs ... it would be Phillip Rivers, not Merriman.

 

[Tuna Helper]

Does he have an int return for a TD? I thought not.

Dude, I love your sig pic...Ashwaraya Ray is awesome (and is from my home country).

 

[Hoofbite]

Game, set match!

Thats what I was thinking.........

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Merrimans good, but its not like we got stuck with garbage. Wares dkoing a good job in this defense.

Why do we torture ourselves with this draft stuff?

Is every other team saying we should of drafted Witten in the 1st or 2nd round, what a steal he was.

Newman, Roy, Julius, my dad, Bradie, Canty ect.

...or "why didnt we trade for Terry Glenn, a possible pro bowler, for a 6th round pick" (7th?)

 

[Ratmatt]

he's at 5.5 sacks now compared to 2 sacks for ware...and will probably hit 12 or 13...ware probably will be right around 8 again...i dont think there will be any argument that we should have drafted merriman..he is a beast...teams are worried about him and they account for him like they do for roy williams...just think if we had two players like that on our team! bad move jerrah...should have drafted the better passrusher...he is a game changer while ware is just a good player...merriman will be great if he is not already...and i dont want to hear about this zimmer bend but dont break defense...i see ware rushing ALOT AND HE JUST CANT GET THERE...BOTTOM LINE

My problem with this post isn't with the ware merriman deal.My problem is with all the praise and glory given to roy williams.Look I like roy,and he is great around the line of scrimmage,and he is a highlight real with some of his hits,but the guy is terrible in coverage.He is a safety,coverage is part of his job description,and people treat him like he is the second coming.He is a very good player at things,but not a complete player at his position.For the praise that is given this guy,he is one of the most overrated players in the league.

 

[AdamJT13]

My problem with this post isn't with the ware merriman deal.My problem is with all the praise and glory given to roy williams.Look I like roy,and he is great around the line of scrimmage,and he is a highlight real with some of his hits,but the guy is terrible in coverage.He is a safety,coverage is part of his job description,and people treat him like he is the second coming.He is a very good player at things,but not a complete player at his position.For the praise that is given this guy,he is one of the most overrated players in the league.

So ... got any examples of how "terrible" Roy is in coverage?

Let me guess -- Santana Moss? L.J. Smith?

 

[STSINAZ]

I can post a video with all but one of Merriman's sacks from last season. I should have it on Youtube by tomorrow or Friday.

beautiful i would love to see those monster hits that made him rookie of the year!

 

[STSINAZ]

A knockdown?

Please do tell where you came up with a stat like that.

whats wrong statboy you didnt know about this one?lol

just joking by the way about the comment

http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2006/09/12/

here's your new stat line

 

[STSINAZ]

Teams don't fear Merriman any more than they fear Ware. When they watch film, they know that he doesn't do all that much on most of his sacks.

A quarterback trips untouched and falls down, Merriman is closest -- it's a sack. Oooh, frightening. Two other guys beat their man and hit the quarterback, who scrambles right into Merriman, who still is being blocked. So fearsome.

Please. Teams are more afraid of a guy who can embarrass a left tackle and sack the quarterback before he even has a chance to throw than they are of a guy who gets blocked for several seconds and then wraps up the quarterback as he tries to scramble.

hate to tell you but demarcus where? hasnt been embarrassing any left tackles lately

 

[STSINAZ]

i noticed hostile chose to forego his further embarrassment and bow out gracefully!

 

[dbair1967]

i noticed hostile chose to forego his further embarrassment and bow out gracefully!

hey troll boy...Dwight Freeney has - COUNT EM!!!

ZERO SACKS this yr....yep thats right...zero sacks...but Jason Hatcher has a 1/2 a sack so he clearly must be the betetr player...maybe Jones should call the Colts and tell them we'll take that scrub Freeney off their hands for a 7th rd pick



David

 

[STSINAZ]

nice post tony blair...way to enhance your reputation!

 

[Hostile]

i noticed hostile chose to forego his further embarrassment and bow out gracefully!

Get your eyes checked. Not only did I respond, but 2 posters said of that response.

"Game, Set, & Match."

 

[STSINAZ]

Thank you. Since the people here are very good in nature I am going to take this as a compliment.

Oh, and the quote function isn't that difficult. Learn it next huh?

Yeah, you are right. The first 2 years Parcells didn't try to groom Kalen Thornton or Eric Ogbogu to be the WOLB on 3rd downs and in the Nickel.

:wink2:

The problem is, you're debating with people who remember beyond last week or even week 1 of this season and aren't reliant upon a stats that says 5.5 > 2 while ignoring every other stat and fact.

Hey congrats, you've got a comparison to LT and a 5.5 > 2 stat. You da man.

Ware is getting a lot more pressure than you understand, because you're only looking at the sack stats and you've clearly got no concept of the defensive assignments he has. You've as much as confessed to this now, so don't deny it. "Go get him."

You go Coach. Teach the world the truths of football as you see them.



You've already ignored the fact that others have told you that in 2005 he had more QB pressures, fumbles caused, fumble recoveries, tackles, tackles for losses, etc. And you've ignored that he's doing it again this year. These things are indisputable yet here you sit, telling all of us that he's a lesser player.

Do you really think people are that gullible? Think again.

Well, you'd have to think something foolish like that to make your theory hold any water wouldn't you? So, this revelation really isn't anything other than a regurgitation of what has already been spewed.

So in your world this kid is a failure because he can't live up to perhaps the 2nd greatest player who ever played the game and the best defender of all time? That's pretty convenient thinking there Sparky. Forget that Parcells wants him to be a complete player and has said so many times. Just spout nonsense that no team fears him and run with it as if it's true even though you can't prove it and everyone who has synapses that fire knows it.

Don't ever ask me or anyone else if they are a true fan just because they disagree with you. Heed me on that because that is something I don't tolerate. Don't be a child just because people don't agree with you. It's asking a lot of you I know. Hence the Junior comment that you've now lived up to...again.

No, I'm not drunk. I've never had a drink in my life and I don't have a cold so no Nyquil. Don't try a drugs angle. Stick to football if you're able to.

One question, do you honestly think whining about the past is going to change the future? Wipe up the milk before it goes sour the next time it spills around you. Try a diet other than sour grapes.

Just because you say so right? Wake up, some of the smartest fans on this site are shooting down your whining.

Besides that the coffee's brewed and getting cold and so is your breakfast. You don't want to keep sleeping right through the games like this so that all you've got is the sack stats to look it.

The game is really beautiful if you bother to take the time to understand what teams are trying to do.

Give it a try.

What a ridiculous retort. I beg to differ on your knowledge of the game. All you did was to state the same b.s. as before. are you being serious with all of this?

It all boils down to this. I will spell it out for you because I think it's not sinking in. Merriman and Ware have about the same amount of tackles but Merriman has been bringing more pressure...if you can say that you will be happy when Ware finishes at 8 sacks and Merriman is at 12 or 13 and they have the same amount of tackles as happened last year,,,,then i would say you would have just shown the level of your football knowledge...you are looking for mediocrity and I am looking for a championship...Wake up we could have had a monster passrusher instead of just an average one. It's so funny that ALL OF YOU would use the tackle comparison when they have about the same amount of tackles as they did last year! lmmmmmmmmmmao. Merriman is not being used against the run and he is right there with Ware who is used against the run...llllllllllllllllmao...........

STS

 

[STSINAZ]

and ACTUALLY MERRIMAN HAS MORE TACKLES THAN WARE RIGHT NOW...19 to Ware's 17! point blown right out of the water...hos all your posts were based on this whole point...and you were wrong on it the whole time! you say you have a memory but you dont even know what is going on in the present let alone the past!

 

[Hoov]

What a ridiculous retort. I beg to differ on your knowledge of the game. All you did was to state the same b.s. as before. are you being serious with all of this?

It all boils down to this. I will spell it out for you because I think it's not sinking in. Merriman and Ware have about the same amount of tackles but Merriman has been bringing more pressure...if you can say that you will be happy when Ware finishes at 8 sacks and Merriman is at 12 or 13 and they have the same amount of tackles as happened last year,,,,then i would say you would have just shown the level of your football knowledge...you are looking for mediocrity and I am looking for a championship...Wake up we could have had a monster passrusher instead of just an average one. It's so funny that ALL OF YOU would use the tackle comparison when they have about the same amount of tackles as they did last year! lmmmmmmmmmmao. Merriman is not being used against the run and he is right there with Ware who is used against the run...llllllllllllllllmao...........

STS

Ive got an idea, why dont you just continue to pout and whine because the cowboys didnt draft the player youd prefer, maybe you can magically reverse time and change that. or is it that you are one of those couldve, shouldve, wouldve persons who likes to complain and be upset.

 

[Hostile]

What a ridiculous retort. I beg to differ on your knowledge of the game. All you did was to state the same b.s. as before. are you being serious with all of this?

It all boils down to this. I will spell it out for you because I think it's not sinking in. Merriman and Ware have about the same amount of tackles but Merriman has been bringing more pressure...if you can say that you will be happy when Ware finishes at 8 sacks and Merriman is at 12 or 13 and they have the same amount of tackles as happened last year,,,,then i would say you would have just shown the level of your football knowledge...you are looking for mediocrity and I am looking for a championship...Wake up we could have had a monster passrusher instead of just an average one. It's so funny that ALL OF YOU would use the tackle comparison when they have about the same amount of tackles as they did last year! lmmmmmmmmmmao. Merriman is not being used against the run and he is right there with Ware who is used against the run...llllllllllllllllmao...........

STS

More spilled milk? You need your own cow.

You'll keep ignoring this I'm sure, but I'm going to tell you again, the schemes are different. If Merriman was in our system he'd have fewer sacks and be asked to cover the RBs and TEs more. You can deny it all you want, it doesn't make you right. In fact it just exposes how little you grasp of what the players are being asked to do. But by all means keep it up.

We got a very good player with incredible character who is just going to keep getting better. You can try and project their stats over the course of the season time and time again. Maybe you'll be right, maybe you won't. I haven't bothered to bring up speculation about the future or project out stats, or anything like that because I don't deal in speculation in a football discussion.

I keep talking about character, so I'm going to amplify what another poster said earlier in the thread. "Merriman is more likely to end up suspended at some point." We had a poster on this forum pre-2005 draft who raised some red flags. I will leave it at that. I don't choose to point a finger at a man I do not know. I will end this portion of this by repeating, character matters.

The fact that will never change is that these players are not being asked to do the same things in their respective schemes. Period. You can't recognize this, we've established that as fact. Even the teams websites list them differently. Ware is listed strictly as an OLB. Most sites list Merriman as a DE. The Chargers website calls him a DE/OLB. It doesn't take much comprehension to realize they aren't doing the same things.

Tell us again how easy it is to deal with Ware. That was the funniest thing you've said so far.