An Elite defense with Dak could be enough

charron · Jul 13, 2022

It could be. Defenses will need to hold playoff caliber teams to less than 20 points. Probably even less than that if this offense doesn't step up now that it has less overall talent.

CowboyRoy · Jul 13, 2022

Diehardblues said:
The one thing the Cowboys have missed this era . Or shouid I say the biggest thing they’ve missed is building a top 5 caliber Elite defense .

Some fans forget even with HOF QB’s like Roger and Troy we had top caliber defenses . Doomsday was our motto.

But in this Cap era it’s difficult to build both . Most either have an Elite QB or Elite Defense . The Cowboys have not had either this era.

Do you mean most championship teams have either an elite QB or an elite defense?

CowboyRoy · Jul 13, 2022

Diehardblues said:
Even when the Elite QB’s this era have had more success it was usually with a better defense .

I’m not sure why this hasn’t been a bigger priority for our franchise this era. The only top defense we have had this era was in 2003 which took Quincy to the playoffs .

And that really wasnt a top defense.

CowboyRoy · Jul 13, 2022

G2 said:
I'm still nervous about the run game scheme and roster.

Then you should be happy to learn that its little to do with the "running scheme" and more to do with the Oline and Zeke Elliott.

CowboyRoy · Jul 13, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
Because the NFL is trying to cater to the fantasy football nerds. I mean they post fantasy points for players in stadium during the game these days. Not enough fantasy stat measurables on defense and that generation is too dense to enjoy a good hard fought defensive battle.

I take it you dont play fantasy football? Do you have something against fantasy football?

Maybe your the one that is too dense to play and be good at it. Fantasy football has been going on for 30 years buddy.

G2 · Jul 13, 2022

CowboyRoy said:
Then you should be happy to learn that its little to do with the "running scheme" and more to do with the Oline and Zeke Elliott.

Uh, why would I be happy about that?

CowboyRoy · Jul 13, 2022

G2 said:
Uh, why would I be happy about that?

Because you were all worried that it was the scheme and it has nothing to do with that.

G2 · Jul 13, 2022

CowboyRoy said:
Because you were all worried that it was the scheme and it has nothing to do with that.

You can't read. You picked out what you wanted to pounce on. Everyone knows your take on Elliott, I have no desire to go on and on.

CowboyRoy · Jul 13, 2022

charron said:
It could be. Defenses will need to hold playoff caliber teams to less than 20 points. Probably even less than that if this offense doesn't step up now that it has less overall talent.

So you think going from Cooper/Wilson to Tolbert/Washington/Ferguson is going to take our offense from #1 in scoring to one of the worst?

A little dramatic dont you think? Or are you still crying about Cooper getting punted?

CowboyRoy · Jul 13, 2022

G2 said: ↑
I'm still nervous about the run game scheme and roster.

What part of that lone statement cant I read?

I said the Oline AND Zeke. Or cant YOU read?

john van brocklin · Jul 13, 2022

Diehardblues said:
The one thing the Cowboys have missed this era . Or shouid I say the biggest thing they’ve missed is building a top 5 caliber Elite defense .

Some fans forget even with HOF QB’s like Roger and Troy we had top caliber defenses . Doomsday was our motto.

But in this Cap era it’s difficult to build both . Most either have an Elite QB or Elite Defense . The Cowboys have not had either this era.

We will do good to keep the same level of defense we had last year with our loss of talent to free agency

Brax · Jul 13, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
Ok, understood. I agree. The way I took your opening post is how an "Elite" QB is needed if you don't have an "Elite" Defense or Offense. I don't agree with that. Having a Top 10 QB along with a Top 10 Offense AND Defense should definitely be more than enough to reach a conference championship game or a Super Bowl...in my opinion.

2021 #1 O, and #7 D so what happened, what a non elite QB needs is a dominant D and that isn’t Jerry’s way. You spend unwisely mostly on the O,like a tier 2-3 qb elite money, pay top money to rb and wr it’s hard to build a great D when you rely on low cost draft picks to fill the D out. Couple all that with a coach like JG or MM and SB become a dream only in the homers eyes.

Brax · Jul 13, 2022

Diehardblues said:
An Elite defense could set up the offense for more points or score themselves.

Not sure why Elite defenses aren’t more attractive this era?

Offense sells tickets but Great D’s are to costly and balance takes a smart GM and HC unfortunately Dallas has neither.

Brax · Jul 13, 2022

RS12 said:
Since you asked and this is straight off Pro football reference website:

10x Pro Bowl

4x All-Pro

1x SB Champ

SB XLV MVP

HOF All-2010s Team

2011 Bert Bell Award (Player of the Year)

2011 PFWA Off. PoY

2x SN Off.

4X AP MVP

Just JAG according to AC, who would want a qb like that.

RS12 · Jul 13, 2022

Brax said:
Just JAG according to AC, who would want a qb like that.

Yeah and I didnt mention 449 TD passes.

acr731 · Jul 13, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:
Also 4 time NFL MVP

Dak won a rookie something or other I think...

MountaineerCowboy · Jul 13, 2022

acr731 said:
Dak won a rookie something or other I think...

Remember when everyone thought he was a sure bet for CPOY only for a 2nd year QB with like 7 career games under his belt to swoop in and steal it from him while leading his team to the Super Bowl?

acr731 · Jul 13, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:
Remember when everyone thought he was a sure bet for CPOY only for a 2nd year QB with like 7 career games under his belt to swoop in and steal it from him while leading his team to the Super Bowl?

So I looked it up - Dak won offensive rookie of the year in 2016, which I'm not sure he really deserved. Both Zeke and Dak had hella good rookie seasons, but people seem to forget that the offense was very balanced. The run game complimented the pass game and vice versa. That's also the reason why Dallas was playing so well early on in 2021 - balance. Everything went to hell when the run game started stalling and Dak couldn't read certain defenses. If not for the crappy NFC East the 12-5 finish is a dream. It was the difference between the wildcard and sitting at home for the playoffs.

MountaineerCowboy · Jul 13, 2022

acr731 said:
So I looked it up - Dak won offensive rookie of the year in 2016, which I'm not sure he really deserved. Both Zeke and Dak had hella good rookie seasons, but people seem to forget that the offense was very balanced. The run game complimented the pass game and vice versa. That's also the reason why Dallas was playing so well early on in 2021 - balance. Everything went to hell when the run game started stalling and Dak couldn't read certain defenses. If not for the crappy NFC East the 12-5 finish is a dream. It was the difference between the wildcard and sitting at home for the playoffs.

The 2016 way is the only way you're going to have success with Dak as your QB.

America's Cowboy · Jul 13, 2022

Diehardblues said:
I don’t care what you think it sounds like. I haven’t defined what an Elite defense is like I did QB. That reference was meant to read if we didn’t have an Elite defense then top 5-10 would go a long way.

So you're being hypocritical and much different in defining "Elite" when it comes to a QB and a Defense.

You lost this thread's argument by not applying the same "Elite" meaning to every position/group talked about.

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