And so it begins...

[TheKey]

Pretty sure?

Why not be 100% sure so as to not post false information. See, it's well documented by those that keep these stats that Lloyd had 4 drops last year. I'm sorry that doesn't do squat for your argument, but superpunk, you lost this one.

:suxskins: :redhomer:

 

[Ben_n_austin]

What a primadonna.

I echo this sentiment. This better be addressed immediately. If we need to look for depth at WR, so be it. But let's do so before the season begins.

I hate having to count on this punk. T.O. is a good player, but too many are jumping on his bandwagon too fast.

If I were the The Tuna, I'd make him practice with the 2nd team just to see how he reacts.

If he didn't like that, I'd keep him on the 3rd team until he changed his tune.

When you have these players getting ignorant and acting ignorant, you have to get on their level and get ignorant and act igrnorant, too. I'm telling you, that's the only way to deal with a guy like T.O.

Screw the nonsensical B.S. There is no place for this here, now, after what he's done. As soon as he starts up with this crap, he should recieve some sort of negative reinforcement, simply speaking, of course.

This is something that needs to be confronted, head on, BEFORE it becomes an issue.

If he doesn't respond like a changed player, then we should fire his punk arse, on the spot, no questions asked.

All of this T.O. being a Cowboy should be conditional on his behavior, especially amongst his own team.

 

[superpunk]

this should help punk

his teammates gave Lloyd a moniker of inconsistency, what better way to find out something about a player than from his former teammates

Thanks. But no help needed. The little fella has decided to create and argument about drops, so he can win it.

Problem is, he's arguing with imaginary people. And that is pitiable.

 

[PacoReloaded]

I knew this was a bad idea....

http://cowboys.scout.com/2/551570.html

I'm sorry to say but I don't believe any of the garbage that's posted on that site. 99.5% of the time it's made up and all they try to do is make up stuff to make you sign up for a worthless subscription.

Until I hear it from legit sources then I'm going to disregard it.

 

[PacoReloaded]

based on your other posts. you're looking for something as much as the media members.

Ding, ding, ding. Him and the rest of the people who didn't want T.O. here.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

Yeah Paco, I'll hold off, too. But as soon as that rat basthtid starts up with his anti-team antics, I want him gone.

If push comes to shove, I'll take that mofo out myself.

/sarcasm

 

[Ben_n_austin]

Ding, ding, ding. Him and the rest of the people who didn't want T.O. here.

I want him here ... under certain conditions. He's got tremendous ability; I just want to see the ability to change some things with in himself.

We can't have this sort of thing on our team; no matter how much ability he has.

 

[Kittymama]

I echo this sentiment. This better be addressed immediately. If we need to look for depth at WR, so be it. But let's do so before the season begins.

I hate having to count on this punk. T.O. is a good player, but too many are jumping on his bandwagon too fast.

If I were the The Tuna, I'd make him practice with the 2nd team just to see how he reacts.

If he didn't like that, I'd keep him on the 3rd team until he changed his tune.

When you have these players getting ignorant and acting ignorant, you have to get on their level and get ignorant and act igrnorant, too. I'm telling you, that's the only way to deal with a guy like T.O.

Screw the nonsensical B.S. There is no place for this here, now, after what he's done. As soon as he starts up with this crap, he should recieve some sort of negative reinforcement, simply speaking, of course.

This is something that needs to be confronted, head on, BEFORE it becomes an issue.

If he doesn't respond like a changed player, then we should fire his punk arse, on the spot, no questions asked.

All of this T.O. being a Cowboy should be conditional on his behavior, especially amongst his own team.

Let's get a reality check. First of all, what is the "this" that has to be addressed--something that Fisher (not exactly known as a beacon of accuracy) thought he saw? Unless he was standing alongside TO & Parcells when they had a conversation, he has no way of knowing what was said.

Also, YOU don't know that THIS hasn't been addressed (if THIS ever existed). Negative reinforcement? Is Parcells supposed to swat him on the nose with a rolled up newspaper?

Realistically, there's no way the team is going to fire him this year. Too much of a cap hit, too few decent WRs out there to pick up instead--c'mon, be realistic. Next year, probably, yes they'll cut him. This guy is clearly an overgrown baby, just like Chad Johnson & Randy Moss & a lot of other receivers. (Frankly, like a lot of players, period. I'm sure we can all think of players who have acted stupidly when they get riled up either in games or in practice.) Parcells is handling it. Just because he doesn't beat the s*** out of him in front of people doesn't mean he's not handling it. But for now, we're stuck with him. Deal with it.

 

[illone]

I'm pretty sure I dug deep enough. And you can blame it on the QB all you want -- he's been consistent in his suckiness, regardless of the QB. I understand you like to pretend he doesn't suck, but at least be informed on how consistently dreadful he's been when it comes to catching passes thrown his way.

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=6460&Submit=Go

Please explain how he's dreadful. I'd say the QB's throwing him the ball are dreadful.

 

[boysfanindc]

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=6460&Submit=Go

Please explain how he's dreadful. I'd say the QB's throwing him the ball are dreadful.

From one of your boys from you own site

The truth about Brandon Lloyd: he was targeted 109 times. He caught 48 balls. That's a lousy 44% completion rate. You thought 50/50 was bad? Of course, he had bad quarterbacks, so that's not all his fault. How much of it was his fault? Well, you gotta go to the film for that.

Santana Moss, by comparison, had a 63% completion rate (84 catches on 134 targets). You shouldn't pay too much attention to the 'drops' statistic, which would make you thinkt that Moss, with 8 drops, is one of the worst receivers in the league.

 

[superpunk]

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=6460&Submit=Go

Please explain how he's dreadful. I'd say the QB's throwing him the ball are dreadful.

Last year all the QBs throwing the ball to him posted a better completion percentage than he posted for a catch percentage.

Arnez Battle somehow managed to catch 59% of his opportunities from these dreadful QBs. For those keeping score, that's 15% higher than Lloyd.

And it wasn't just a problem with the QBs last year. In 2004 Tim Rattay and Ken Dorsey posted completion pct's of 61 and 54 respectively. Lloyd's catch percentage? A career high 48%! It's champagne time!

Maybe those numbers are too low. After all, they don't take into account that he was going against the other team's #1 corner, right? Well, in 2003, with QB Jeff Garcia, and teammate Terrell Owens drawing all the attention, and Cedrick Wilson filling in at #2, Lloyd caught a mind-numbing 47% of the passes thrown his way.

Consistently - dreadful.

 

[boysfanindc]

Last year all the QBs throwing the ball to him posted a better completion percentage than he posted for a catch percentage.

Arnez Battle somehow managed to catch 59% of his opportunities from these dreadful QBs. For those keeping score, that's 14% higher than Lloyd.

And it wasn't just a problem with the QBs last year. In 2004 Tim Rattay and Ken Dorsey posted completion pct's of 61 and 54 respectively. Lloyd's catch percentage? A career high 48%! It's champagne time!

Maybe those numbers are too low. After all, they don't take into account that he was going against the other team's #1 corner, right? Well, in 2003, with QB Jeff Garcia, and teammate Terrell Owens drawing all the attention, and Cedrick Wilson filling in at #2, Lloyd caught a mind-numbing 47% of the passes thrown his way.

Consistently - dreadful.

 

[illone]

Go ahead and cling to that one stat, superpunk. It's ok to ignore something equally if not more important than his catch %.

He only dropped 4 passes, and it's well documented, but hey let's ignore that simple fact and continue to say he's horrible based on the color of his uniform.

Does it even occurr to you that horrible QB play is part of the equation? How can you explain 4 drops and 44% passes caught? Please try to explain that and make sense.

 

[THUMPER]

In other words, do whatever it takes to not piss off el dorado.

This attitude makes me sick. Screw the dude, if he cant play within our system, trade his *** to Atlanta for a 7th rounder in 2020. That should bring el dorado back to earth.

When you enable someone to behave in a disruptive manner or self distructive manner, they will. Every time. Quit enableing el dorado to be a bad boy and he wont be one. Pretty simple really. Dont know why so many smart pple cant figure that one out. You think he would be sitting on top of the world if no team had of even talked to him this year. Stupid Jones, Here take 10 million and go do what you want.

Best post all day! :starspin

 

[superpunk]

Go ahead and cling to that one stat, superpunk. It's ok to ignore something equally if not more important than his catch %.

He only dropped 4 passes, and it's well documented, but hey let's ignore that simple fact and continue to say he's horrible based on the color of his uniform.

Does it even occurr to you that horrible QB play is part of the equation? How can you explain 4 drops and 44% passes caught? Please try to explain that and make sense.

Here's an explanation. Try to keep up.

He dropped four passes.

And caught only 44% of the passes intended for him.

Hope that wasn't too difficult.

 

[illone]

Here's an explanation. Try to keep up.

He dropped four passes.

And caught only 44% of the passes intended for him.

Hope that wasn't too difficult.

Let's try a few more stats, see if you can keep up.

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/leaders.asp?year=P&type=NFL+Receiving&rank=107&Submit=Go

Funny how all those "elite" receivers had more misses than Lloyd

Care to explain this one?

 

[dargonking999]

sure

Commanders suck

 

[illone]

sure

Commanders suck

Nice one.

 

[dargonking999]

Nice one.

its what i do, i just roam around looking for a time to say

eagles suck

Commanders suck

or

giants suck

its a very profitable job

 

[RonBurgandy31]

Let's try a few more stats, see if you can keep up.

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/leaders.asp?year=P&type=NFL+Receiving&rank=107&Submit=Go

Funny how all those "elite" receivers had more misses than Lloyd

Care to explain this one?

Well i believe they are thrown to ALOT more then Lloyd

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/leaders.asp?year=P&type=NFL+Receiving&rank=052&Submit=Go

.... sir