Another Reason to Select Brooks

[silverbear]

Shanle > Brooks

So, "The Answer" is clueless... LOL...

 

[wileedog]

he could be the insurance in case Bradie leaves

If Bradie plays well this season I think we should pay him rather than hope Burnet can stay healthy and be as good. We still don't know, and if we're lucky enough to stay healthy at the other LBer spots Burnett probably won't get extensive playing time this season.

Which is also my main problem with drafting Brooks. We have a 2nd round draft pick in his 2nd year who may not see the field much because we are so deep at LBer. If we can get Brooks in the 5th I'm cool with it, but anything higher and we are using a pick for another guy who is mostly depth - and 4th round and higher LBers should be eventual starters. I would be very unhappy if we actually used a first day pick on him even if he was much more of a sure thing than he probably is - we just have other needs that need to be addressed much more with those picks next year, most notably along the O-line and some youth at WR.

 

[Waffle]

This propaganda may appease the majority of the sheep in your pasture....but it don't fool The Answer!

~The Answer

Not sure when we all became Hos' sheep, but I've seen a significant number of forum members respectfully disagree with him about submitting a day one draft claim on Brooks.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If Bradie plays well this season I think we should pay him rather than hope Burnet can stay healthy and be as good. We still don't know, and if we're lucky enough to stay healthy at the other LBer spots Burnett probably won't get extensive playing time this season.

like I said, insurance in case, Bradie leaves, if he continues to progress and has a good '06 campaign, than I sure as hell want Bradie to come back, but if worst comes to worst and we can't re-sign him, than I think Burnett could be that guy to replace him, thus negating the need to spend a 1st day pick in the supp on Brooks

If we can get Brooks in the 5th I'm cool with it, but anything higher and we are using a pick for another guy who is mostly depth - and 4th round and higher LBers should be eventual starters. I would be very unhappy if we actually used a first day pick on him even if he was much more of a sure thing than he probably is - we just have other needs that need to be addressed much more with those picks next year, most notably along the O-line and some youth at WR.

I agree entirely, I've been saying 5th, no more, for quite some time now, and so is Hostile, although he would spend a 3rd in a heartbeat

we've addressed alot of picks and money already on the LB position, and those 1st day picks now could be used for Sidney Rice

 

[Dayton Cowboy]

I can think of a few other players that had 1st round talent 'football wise'....Quincy Carter, Maurice Clarrett, Lawrence Phillips, Demetrius Underwood, etc.....take a guess what all these bozos have in common with your boy Ahmad Brooks? They are all convicted drug felons or headcases (or both).

Parcells is no dummy, and if anything Al Groh is still dancing on strings for Parcell's stage....not vice versa. And if Big Al tries manipulating Parcells into thinking this loser Brooks is worth a day one pick then JUST SAY NO TO GROH!

~The Answer

Okay, I'm going to go there. There is no way that Quincy Carter was first round talent or second round for that matter. Jerry pulled the trigger way too soon for Carter. Carter had great escapability which is what the organization needed at the time, however his decision making and leadership were always questionable to me. And no way do I think Clarett was worth a first round pick. And believe me I'm as big a buckeye homer as you'll find on this board, but he didn't have the breakaway speed you look for in the first round. I was never convinced he'd be a difference maker at the pro level.

 

[PacoReloaded]

We haven't hit on enough 3rd rounders in the last decade to let one we actually hit on walk away.

Besides, I'd rather not replace the vocal heart and soul of our team with someone was kicked off his team in college for discipline and drug issues.

We haven't hit on a 2nd round pick in ages either.

 

[PacoReloaded]

What is he "worth" in your opinion?

I think the Browns will use a 3rd round pick to get him.

Would you want the Cowboys to use their 2nd?

I wouldn't.

And one thing I've noticed about Parcells, he has little use for "fat guys", no matter the circumstances. And although Brooks' injuries may have played a part, his weight ballooning as it did can't sit well with the Tuna.

Although the James scenario you mentioned is something I considered as well, I'll be surprised if he's drafted by Dallas tomorrow.

Plus, let's not forget that Groh and Parcells are buddies and I highly doubt that Parcells will pick up a player that Groh kicked off his team.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

But at what price?

 

[dbair1967]

We haven't hit on a 2nd round pick in ages either.

Julius Jones was a good 2nd rd pick...Flozelle Adams was a great 2nd rd pick...

too soon to say anything about Kevin Burnett

David

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

ILB - historically are drafted lower than most all positions.....

Top ILB's next Draft

HB Blades, Pat Willis, Bishop, Desmond carry 1st to 2nd round grades but will slide.

Paul Paz the Penn kid is a 6-2 230 pound OLB. Rather useless in our scheme. Big name for now.

There may be a thought to turn Brooks into the next Keith Traylor. I'm a GM that's what I'm extrapolating on the kid.

Same used to be said about SS. Now look.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

no way we tag James just to shop him. if he's worth the tag then he's the kind of player you don't want to let get away. if he's not worth it, then he just signs his franchise tender and gets a ton of cash.

No, this is not the case. There are two types of tags. If he is tagged as transitional, then it's a different ball game.

 

[Hostile]

Not sure when we all became Hos' sheep, but I've seen a significant number of forum members respectfully disagree with him about submitting a day one draft claim on Brooks.

You mean you're still not drinking the Koolaid Waffle?

Damn, I gotta learn hypnotism.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Riiiight.....Two unproven rookies, a 2nd year player with tons of potential, and an inconsistent 4th year player add up to one of the best LB corps of all time?

Sorry but The Answer lives in the real world....

~The Answer

I'm going to guess that the answer also lives in a world where he doesn't read the complete thread. This post content has already been addressed. You probably know that by now. yes?

 

[Clove]

1st off, if you look at talent alone, Brooks is better than Carpenter. Now a few months ago, I put out the possibility of drafting Carpenter in the 1st, and then getting Brooks in the Supp draft and people darn near tore my head off.

Imagine a young strong, BIG, FAST, MEAN bunch of LBrs. When I think of what I want in a LB, I think about this..

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=498

This is a player at the inside linebacker position that is a absolute terror
He has the type of size, speed and agility combination you look for at the position, he somewhat resembles current NFL linebacker "Ray Lewis", but he is a both taller and bigger and he is similar in his approach to the game, he has a fire and intensity that is rare getting to the ball carrier, he is a no nonsense type of player that once he arrives to the ball he explodes through the tackle and gives no extra yards after contact
He is the type of player that flings his body all around the field unconsciously, gives relentless effort on every play, along with a motor that is restless, his pursuit to the ball is unmatched, and is a very instinctive player as well, he is quite often used in blitz packages for his teams defense, and is pretty effective at collapsing the pocket
This is the type of player that does not except defeat, and will be a leader for any defense he competes on, he is the only player comparable to Ray Lewis I have ever seen, he is just bigger!

Without Brooks being injured, he put up 119 tackles in 2003 and 90 in 2004.
He had a couple interceptions in both years and 6 or 7 passes defended in both years.
He consistantly averaged 10 tackles for losses and tons of QB pressures. In 2004 (when healthy) the threw down 8 sacks.

Excellent Linebacking core with Brooks in that Middle. All the off the field stuff is taking a chance...If you succeed, perfect... If he fails to keep clean, you lost a 2nd or 3rd.. We haven't lost out on 2nd and 3rd rounders before (sarcasm)

 

[DLCassidy]

I think Brooks could be either a star or a bust. The weight fluctuation and drug use push him down a couple rounds IMO. I see only 13% agree with my prediction that he will go in the 4th round. The 49ers and Dolphins seem to be showing a lot of interest. Since the Dolphins pick ahead of us I can't see Brooks ending up here because no way I see us using a 1st day pick on him.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Lets play a little game name the players that should have been passed on because of off feild issues and marijuana use because using the logic of some posters most obviously Concrete Boy and Dbair they would not have Chad Johnson on there team or TJ Houshmenzada, Jamal Williams, Warren Sapp, Laverneous Cole etc, all of these players had similiar if not worst issues heading into the draft but they somehow stuck. I guess some people can change and some times you need to roll the dice to win big.

 

[lspain1]

Question....What time today does the supplemental draft take place? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[wileedog]

I guess some people can change and some times you need to roll the dice to win big.

The problem is its not a gamble we need to make. We have 5 quality LBers and decent depth.

If Brooks was a super talented RT or FS with these issues I'd say go ahead and roll 'em. But there's no point in wasting a high pick gambling on something we just don't need that badly.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

The problem is its not a gamble we need to make. We have 5 quality LBers and decent depth.

If Brooks was a super talented RT or FS with these issues I'd say go ahead and roll 'em. But there's no point in wasting a high pick gambling on something we just don't need that badly.

Brooks has Urlacher type talent, none of are inside LB's has that kind of potential. Ayodele has never played ILB in a 3/4 or 4/3
Bradie just started showing something last year and was a 4th rd pick, I'm sorry I think Brooks would replace either within a year I think are LB's are good but the only one I feel who is great is Ware so excuse me if I do not close the door on upgrading the quality of are LB's .

 

[Tristan]

I hope we get Brooks for a third or lower, but if we need to give a second to get him than I'm all for it. If we give up a second for him, then it would mean a couple of things, one we felt he was worth it, two we felt someone else would take him with a third.

All recent reports are he is in top shape, even better shape than when he played great. He has passed numerous frequent voloutnary drug test's recently.

Bottom line is, when this kid has been healthy he has been in shape and produced big time.

Injuries can be devastating to an athlete. I used to play semi-pro basketball in Europe, when healthy I was always in top shape and at the top of my game, but the few times I suffered injuries (ankle & knee surg.) I put on weight quickly and got depressed.

You go from being super active, working out all day, playing ball every day, feeling great and then you got your leg up on the couch and you can't do the things you are used to doing everyday, many athletes have great difficulty dealing with this sudden change in life.

I was one, your body and mind crave to be working out and playing, it just about drives you crazy that your body won't let you, and a few pints of Haggen Dazz Dulce De Lece is one of the few things that helps, unfortunately the body is not burning the same calories with leg up on the couch.

As soon as the injury healed I would not only get right back in the grove, but I was usually even stronger and hungrier. I don't personally see it as a problem that Ahmad packed on the pounds when he couldn't play or work out like he was accustomed to. It's the guys that can't stay in shape even though their healthy and have a world of opportunity before them if they are willing to work hard, those guys concern me, like Willlie Blade.

As for the other character issues, I don't pretend to know the truth, I'm sure our front office will, maybe he is a guy who is able to realize that smoking the hooch isn't worth jeopordizing a bright future, I sure hope so.